Brooks...

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Maths isn’t your best skill is it?

Wilder said we had a good sell on clause. When the time comes we should see some good profit.

Nor is reading comprehension yours.

 

[blademark]

Maths isn’t your best skill is it?

Wilder said we had a good sell on clause. When the time comes we should see some good profit.

Whoops !

 

[wavy-blade]

Buying players cheap and selling high, is actually a skill. I’ve no problem what’s so ever selling Brooks (remember he wasn’t even a first team regular last season) AS LONG as we re-invest properly. We’ve made a massive profit on Brooks and strengthened the squad this season,so someone is doing a good job at SUFC.
This Brooks deal is probably one of those deals where all parties benefit and everyone is happy.

I heard a Wednesday fan the other day jealous at our transfer policy.
He was slagging off SWFC saying their transfer policy is terrible compared to ours.
They buy older players at their best giving them a massive salary, their form drops playing for them, so their value decreases and they struggle to sell because their salary is so high. Whereas we buy young players, build them up, then sell at a big profit.

He quoted the George Hirst scenario, offered 2 million by Leicester but they refused to sell and now he’s out of contract and a free agent joining a team in Belgium. He said our board is much more business savvy and we’d have sold for 2 million if we knew he’d never sign a contract.

Actually selling young players, developing them to sell at a higher price is a model that can work and bring relative success.

I can think of Monaco, Porto, Brentford and Southampton (off the top of my head) that seem to have this business plan and buying young players with potential, building them up then selling on to bigger clubs at a big profit.

Mate you are so so wrong , "We’ve made a massive profit on Brooks" ,the profit we made on Brooks will be nothing when Bournemouth sell him on , you have just got to look at Kyle Walker sold to man city for 53 million how much did we sell him for !! Than there's Harry Maguire , did we sell him for 3 mill ?? Hull sold him for 15 mill , and the recent interest from Manure utd was said to be around 45 mill , I personally do not call any of that good business . I am aware we are a selling club and the only way to stop this is to get in the premier league and to keep in it for 3 seasons or more .

 

[bromtom]

Mate you are so so wrong , "We’ve made a massive profit on Brooks" ,the profit we made on Brooks will be nothing when Bournemouth sell him on , you have just got to look at Kyle Walker sold to man city for 53 million how much did we sell him for !! Than there's Harry Maguire , did we sell him for 3 mill ?? Hull sold him for 15 mill , and the recent interest from Manure utd was said to be around 45 mill , I personally do not call any of that good business . I am aware we are a selling club and the only way to stop this is to get in the premier league and to keep in it for 3 seasons or more .

Do you really think Kyle Walker was worth anywhere near £53 million straight from us though? £10m max. It's hard to take when you look at what they're worth now but they're only worth that because they've played elsewhere at a higher level. To think otherwise is doing a disservice to the coaching they've both got elsewhere and the benefits gained from playing with better players.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Mate you are so so wrong , "We’ve made a massive profit on Brooks" ,the profit we made on Brooks will be nothing when Bournemouth sell him on , you have just got to look at Kyle Walker sold to man city for 53 million how much did we sell him for !! Than there's Harry Maguire , did we sell him for 3 mill ?? Hull sold him for 15 mill , and the recent interest from Manure utd was said to be around 45 mill , I personally do not call any of that good business . I am aware we are a selling club and the only way to stop this is to get in the premier league and to keep in it for 3 seasons or more .

Take a deep breath and consider your comments. We get what we get because.....there's no fertile leap of the imagination, which is what you're applying. Your logic is not simply deeply flawed, it comes crashing down when exposed to daylight. At the time of sale whatever price is agreed is because both clubs consider it correct. What happens a year or so down the line is another conversation, but you seem to ignore this.

 

[Fanny magnet]

Mate you are so so wrong , "We’ve made a massive profit on Brooks" ,the profit we made on Brooks will be nothing when Bournemouth sell him on , you have just got to look at Kyle Walker sold to man city for 53 million how much did we sell him for !! Than there's Harry Maguire , did we sell him for 3 mill ?? Hull sold him for 15 mill , and the recent interest from Manure utd was said to be around 45 mill , I personally do not call any of that good business . I am aware we are a selling club and the only way to stop this is to get in the premier league and to keep in it for 3 seasons or more .

You do know the club loses 5 million a year in this division and 10 million a year in the league below ?

You might not think it's good business but the people who have to pay the bills do

Also ,Maguire and walker had to do a fair bit of work after they left us to increase their worth they weren't worth that when they were here

 

[nopigfansintown]

Wilder expressed regret at selling him in the Football Heaven managerial special. Chris Wilder insisted on a high sell on percentage instead of a few extra quid up front. These two things tell you that our manager thinks he will go on to bigger and better things than Bournemouth, and our club will benefit financially. I agree with the manager, and said so at the time he was sold.Ideally, I'd have kept him for one more season in which he'd have demonstated his outstanding potential and realised a much higher price; allowing us to build our own squad even more than we have done with the proceeds.It would've been a gamble: having reliance on Brooks' recovery from glandular fever; his ability being as high as I think it is; and him being willing to knuckle down after being denied the move.
The saving grace for the Blades is the fact that there are far bigger clubs than Bournemouth. If we'd sold him to Man Utd etc it's unlikely any sell on fee would be realised. Tottenham are a much bigger club than Bournemouth, and Walker was outstanding for a long time, but we had to wait a long time for the sell on fee to be realised; due to the comparatively few bigger/richer clubs than Spurs.United also deserve credit for getting him on a long contract in the first place, which has also been in evidence with the likes of O'Connell and Fleck.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Mate you are so so wrong , "We’ve made a massive profit on Brooks" ,the profit we made on Brooks will be nothing when Bournemouth sell him on , you have just got to look at Kyle Walker sold to man city for 53 million how much did we sell him for !! Than there's Harry Maguire , did we sell him for 3 mill ?? Hull sold him for 15 mill , and the recent interest from Manure utd was said to be around 45 mill , I personally do not call any of that good business . I am aware we are a selling club and the only way to stop this is to get in the premier league and to keep in it for 3 seasons or more .

I know what you’re trying to say but it’s not relevant.

You arguement seems to be we sell Maguire for 2 million, then Hull sell him for 15 million, then Leicester sell him for 60 million,
Then in a few years Man United sell him for 140 million.

So you argument would be we’ve not made 2 million on the Maguire sake, we’ve actually lost 138 million.
Surely you can see this is a nonsensical comment.

There’s too many variables effecting everything.
If Maguire had stayed he wouldnt be half the player he is now, unless we could give him PL football we’d have stifled his progression.
If Maguire had stayed the rest of the team would have been weaker,, so we’d have more then likely struggled.
If Maguire had stayed we might still be in league 1 or league 2.

 

[nopigfansintown]

He looks like he's doing well and GLTTL, but to try and temper things; if it was so apparent to everyone other than United and some of our fan base how good a player DB was, and how he was worth well over £20m, but could be bought for £12m, then why wasn't he snapped up by someone bigger/better than Bournemouth? With his super Agent doing the business, all of the prem would've known that his client was available. You could name 6 clubs who you would've thought would've snapped our hands off for him, but no one did.

If he was so obviously a good talent, why were we prepared to send him to Chesterfield on loan the previous summer, before he won player of the tournament at Toulon? After which, a £2m bid would've probably got him. There's more scouts at Toulon than supporters for most games, ask @Ball_Sup (Phil)

The only other comparable transfers for more money this close season have been for players with a lot more domestic & international experience than DB, eg. Bissouma, Torreira and Lerma. What is market value? A willing seller and a willing buyer, and that's what we had.

You could say all the same things about Harry Maguire and Kyle Walker. Selling at the "right time", based on your assessment of the players potential, is the key to selling young players imo. If you think you have a potential superstar, who will prove it in a year or two - you don't sell at the first sign of serious interest.

 

[nopigfansintown]

We will end up receiving £15m for him. Nothing he did for us suggested a fee higher than that.

Did you miss the Swillsborough Derby. It's well worth a watch.I think it's on youtube.

 

[alcoblade]

Owning a football club isn't the best choice if your objective is purely profit. I expect them to maximise asset value for someone like Brooks, which they haven't done. Then, if they have any ambition at all, which they should have given the difference PL riches would make to them, they'd reinvest suitably and give us a chance of getting there.

So, how much money do you expect someone else to lose every year in support of your hobby?

The “if they only lost another £X0m they’d get paid back in the premier league” is the stock moronic football fan argument.

 

[alcoblade]

Did you miss the Swillsborough Derby. It's well worth a watch.I think it's on youtube.

I saw it. I don’t think you could possibly be suggesting that performance puts him in the >£15,000,000 bracket?

 

[nopigfansintown]

I saw it. I don’t think you could possibly be suggesting that performance puts him in the >£15,000,000 bracket?

It showed that he had the potential to be worth substantially more than that.

 

[Fanny magnet]

You could say all the same things about Harry Maguire and Kyle Walker. Selling at the "right time", based on your assessment of the players potential, is the key to selling young players imo. If you think you have a potential superstar, who will prove it in a year or two - you don't sell at the first sign of serious interest.

Even if you've got a 5 -10 million hole to fill every season

 

[Rodley]

Brooks was brilliant about a quarter of the time, at most. He was in and out of the team, and we didn't really have a position for him.

I think it's highly unlikely that he'd have defined our season one way or the other.

Wasn’t even in our top 7 or 8 most influential players. We got a decent fee for him and wish him all the best.

 

[Ricky]

So, how much money do you expect someone else to lose every year in support of your hobby?

The “if they only lost another £X0m they’d get paid back in the premier league” is the stock moronic football fan argument.

Not quite what I've said though is it?

McCabe's lost money due to his own mistakes. Getting to the PL is the only way he'll recoup it. So it's obviously in his interests to give us a chance of doing so.

When owners are unwilling to entertain any realistic offers for the club, I'd expect them to lose what is necessary within reason in order to keep the club competitive, more depending on the level of ambition and opportunity.

And to reiterate, I'm sure it's largely down to Wilder that we haven't spent more, and it seems the owners are actually willing to let him reinvest a decent amount, although that's far from certain.

 

[alcoblade]

scared of taking a chance

Perhaps they should pop down to the money tree, or buy more lottery tickets?

 

[nopigfansintown]

You got off lightly then. I was seriously fatigued for over 6 months.

Mine developed into something called CFS/ME that will likely have serious health consequences for the rest of my life. It also triggered a lot of autoimmune problem such as food allergies e.g gluten intolerance and lactose intolerance that I have to live with. For me that was the compelling reason to sell Brooks for twelve million. I can remember a tennis player, Robin Soderling, having to end his tennis career at his peak due to similar issues. He'd just beaten Rafa Nadal at the French, and played Federer in the final the following year.

 

[wavy-blade]

So everybody disagrees with me and is quite happy for our club to sell players for vastly under rated prices and then for the club they go to sell them on and make a load more cash , someone commented that " Maguire and Walker had to do a lot of work " , work !! all they had to do was play football ! Any one could see that Maguire and Walker were highly talented players when they played for us , its bad business , both on the pitch and finically , we will never get to the prem selling our best players , we have teams like Bournemouth with home gates of 11000 taking our young talented players , why ?? because they had better backing then us and kept there best players when they were in the championship .

 

[ucandomagic]

So we got £12 million or so for DB and paid £2 million or so for Ollie. I wonder who is more likely to get us in the top 6,

I know that a lot of folk say can’t we have both, but meanwhile in the real world...

Anyway, I don’t think DB would have progressed too well in the Champ - it’s a physical league and he isn’t.

With a fair wind Ollie will take us to the Prem in the next 2 years. He wants to paly for us.

Magic Doesn’t Go in Straight Lines

 

[alcoblade]

It showed that he had the potential to be worth substantially more than that.

Awe, come on. We’ll be valuing players on YouTube clips next, and you surely know what a shit predictor that is.

We will end up getting £15,000,000 for him, after a handful of appearances. Not many were demanding that he started every week, and he was well capable of being ineffectual when he did.

He’s a big talent no doubt, but some are getting well carried away again. It seems to be the modern football fan way to melt down and draw huge conclusions from tiny evidence.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Awe, come on. We’ll be valuing players on YouTube clips next, and you surely know what a shit predictor that is.

We will end up getting £15,000,000 for him, after a handful of appearances. Not many were demanding that he started every week, and he was well capable of being ineffectual when he did.

He’s a big talent no doubt, but some are getting well carried away again. It seems to be the modern football fan way to melt down and draw huge conclusions from tiny evidence.

I was right on Maguire; Calvert Lewin; Ramsdale; Walker; Jagielka. I'm not just judging him on that performances. Academy games, plus his pre illness games. Time will tell. Wilders regret and prioritising the sell on clause are both telling imo.

 

[Addison]

I rated Brooks very highly. I hadn't seen a player for years who could glide past players at ease at BDTBL. The problem is the loss of Coutts affected Brooks development as the quick ball forward disappeared as Lundstram and then Evans failed to replicate the style of play in the first half of the season. Brooks was unplayable against the Pigs away and Wolves at Home. He was on the same wavelength as Duffy as the goal against Leeds illustrated.

We then had the bout of glandular fever and lack of spark in the second half of the season and he didn't look the same player but was obviously still trying to recover his energy levels. Most Blades would have looked forward to see how he developed next year at the end of the season as what he brought was pace over 5 to 10 yards and direct running with the ball. Skills that were sadly lacking across the team

Fast forward to the start of this season and Brooks changes agents. Bournemouth long time admirers chance their arm and put in further bids that are on the table when the owners mess is discussed in open Court. Neither owner is willing to put further money into the Club so the only solution to keep the Club trading for the next 6 months is to sell Brooks and try and get the best deal. Agent Henderson sees the opportunity to exploit the situation and sorts out treble wages and the chance to play in the premiership. Brooks head is turned. What choice did the Club have? Risk of not being able to trade and compete in the transfer window versus waiting for a better offer over the next two months that may never happen.

Whether we like it or not the owners dispute dictated the sale just as much as Brooks preference to leave. IMO he will go on to be a top player so the only outstanding issue is whether we ensured there was a hefty sell on clause to further protect out interests.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Whether we like it or not the owners dispute dictated the sale just as much as Brooks preference to leave. IMO he will go on to be a top player so the only outstanding issue is whether we ensured there was a hefty sell on clause to further protect out interests.

What people turn a blind eye to is that in addition to these factors was the club's incapability of resisting an offer. I think the spin put onto the sale about "his head being turned" is grossly unfair to the lad and just deflects from the club's proven track record in these matters. We get the usual blurb from the apologists about the club needing the money to survive etc but it doesn't mean we have to sell every fucking single prospect we have.

 

[Fanny magnet]

So everybody disagrees with me and is quite happy for our club to sell players for vastly under rated prices and then for the club they go to sell them on and make a load more cash , someone commented that " Maguire and Walker had to do a lot of work " , work !! all they had to do was play football ! Any one could see that Maguire and Walker were highly talented players when they played for us , its bad business , both on the pitch and finically , we will never get to the prem selling our best players , we have teams like Bournemouth with home gates of 11000 taking our young talented players , why ?? because they had better backing then us and kept there best players when they were in the championship .

So everybody disagrees with me and is quite happy for our club to sell players for vastly under rated prices and then for the club they go to sell them on and make a load more cash , someone commented that " Maguire and Walker had to do a lot of work " , work !! all they had to do was play football ! Any one could see that Maguire and Walker were highly talented players when they played for us , its bad business , both on the pitch and finically , we will never get to the prem selling our best players , we have teams like Bournemouth with home gates of 11000 taking our young talented players , why ?? because they had better backing then us and kept there best players when they were in the championship .

If it was as simple as just keeping your best players and backing the club then youd be right and everyone would do it

As for saying all they had to was play football ?
Do you realise how stupid that sounds ?

Bourne.outh had a billionaire Russian oligarch breaking financial fair play rules to get in the prem

Try and have a little degree of balance and reason In your posts

 

[Fanny magnet]

What people turn a blind eye to is that in addition to these factors was the club's incapability of resisting an offer. I think the spin put onto the sale about "his head being turned" is grossly unfair to the lad and just deflects from the club's proven track record in these matters. We get the usual blurb from the apologists about the club needing the money to survive etc but it doesn't mean we have to sell every fucking single prospect we have.

It's not blurb and no one's apologising ,it's a fact
You can choose to ignore it but it is a fact of life

We lose money, the higher the wage bill the more we lose

 

[CarlMcBlade]

£12m for a benchwarmer.......... Terrific business.

 

[wavy-blade]

If it was as simple as just keeping your best players and backing the club then youd be right and everyone would do it

As for saying all they had to was play football ?
Do you realise how stupid that sounds ?

Bourne.outh had a billionaire Russian oligarch breaking financial fair play rules to get in the prem

Try and have a little degree of balance and reason In your posts

Go on then, pray tell me what else they did but play football ??
Ohh sorry your right play football and get shit loads of cash for doing so , is that better ? How stupid if me .

 

[Rodley]

It's not blurb and no one's apologising ,it's a fact
You can choose to ignore it but it is a fact of life

We lose money, the higher the wage bill the more we lose

Another point being ignored is that we turned down a bid from Spurs in the JTW.

Seems It’s a bit early to start rewriting history.

Are we going to have the same posts rehashed every time Brooks scores? We’re going over old ground here.

 

[Fanny magnet]

Go on then, pray tell me what else they did but play football ??
Ohh sorry your right play football and get shit loads of cash for doing so , is that better ? How stupid if me .

I don't know where to start with your mindbendingly simplistic logic