Lundstram win ratio.

[Eric Cartman]

Evans even getting the blame for Lundstrams win record now

Dear me

 

[Pierre's PC]

Evans even getting the blame for Lundstrams win record now

Dear me

And Lundstram is getting blamed for uniteds.

Dear me

 

[Eric Cartman]

And Lundstram is getting blamed for uniteds.

Dear me

Well he isn’t is he? His win ratio is a fact

 

[Pierre's PC]

Well he isn’t is he? His win ratio is a fact

I thought it was a team game.

Obviously I'm over thinking it.

 

[Eric Cartman]

I thought it was a team game.

Obviously I'm over thinking it.

Obviously you are

 

[blade too long]

so now we are trying to destroy one particular player with stats now
in all the games hes played there been 10 other starters and 2 or 3 subs
if we look at flecks numbers through those games they will be the same stats
so shall we have a go at him as well

the last 30 games no ones stats will look brilliant
but lets al blame Lundstram eh because hes not Coutts

 

[Eric Cartman]

so now we are trying to destroy one particular player with stats now
in all the games hes played there been 10 other starters and 2 or 3 subs
if we look at flecks numbers through those games they be the same stats
so shall we have a go at him as well

No ones trying to destroy him ffs. Just pointing out a very interesting and damning stat.

Roy brought up only the games where he started by the way. He said that clearly.

 

[blade too long]

No ones trying to destroy him ffs. Just pointing out a very interesting and damning stat.

Roy brought up only the games where he started by the way. He said that clearly.

so its not a team game the others who have played during not very spakling results in the last 30 games are exempt , their stats are far better some have won more we dont know about

as I said Fleck featured in most of those 30 , but hes not to blame for any of the defeats ,,,, only lundstram

if we only win 8 in 30 and he only started in 12 , hes obviously not to blame as 4 wins in 12 is a better win ratio than the team as a whole

the stats show we did better when he played

 

[Eric Cartman]

so its not a team game the others who have played during not very spakling results in the last 30 games are exempt , their stats are far better some have won more we dont know about

as I said Fleck featured in most of those 30 , but hes not to blame for any of the defeats ,,,, only lundstram

if we only win 8 in 30 and he only started in 12 , hes obviously not to blame as 4 wins in 12 is a better win ratio than the team as a whole

That’s not how it works football mate.

Let’s put Big Fat John from Terminus in net next game then blame everyone in front of him for conceding 30 goals because it’s a ‘team game’

Individual influence is massive especially down the spine of the pitch. Hence why Jake Wright is still held in such high regard.

 

[Shirty Blade]

Its not all Lunny's fault! As you say there are other players on the field too. The team also tend to under perform and play shit whenever I turn up and our win ratio is dire. Perhaps my negative energy affects the team and I should stay at home?

 

[blader]

I agree that taken in isolation, his record is meaningless.

However, if we compare lundstram’s starting record:

P 22
W 4
D 6
L 12

Win percentage of 18%

And then compare it directly to our record WITHOUT him in the starting line up:

P 24
W 16
D 3
L 5

Win percentage of 67%.

I would suggest it starts to become relevant. That is an astonishing difference whichever way you look at it. This is for the same team, in the same league in the same season. That is a substantial enough sample size for the to be some causation alongside the correlation....

Edit: in addition to these stats, Lundstram started theee games before Coutts broke his leg: QPR away, Fulham at home and Forest away - we lost ALL THREE. And this is when we were second and absolutely flying. The correlation is terrifying!

 

[TONY_TONY_AGANA]

Just to get a better picture, and also to add some transparency when comparing the two players, I thought I'd share Lee Evans' stats;

Lee Evans W/D/L stats last season (as a starter):

Played 18
Won 7
Drawn 4
Lost 7

When Evans & Lundstram started together:

Played 7
Won 2
Drawn 3
Lost 2

 

[SharpshootingBilly]

Lundstram will be a fine player for us. Those who hate him probably hated Coutts for first season too.

Lundstram may I add has the same amount of goals for the blades as Coutts does too.

Irrelevant as it is never realised how bad Coutts scoring record was 3 In 111!!!

yeah but that left-footed goal against Reading is worth 20 at least

 

[stringer]

That’s dreadful reading

Assuming you’re a fan of Duffy? As Beans said his record is six wins from last 19 games. If we’re using stats to ‘prove’ players are rubbish...

 

[Eric Cartman]

Assuming you’re a fan of Duffy? As Beans said his record is six wins from last 19 games. If we’re using stats to ‘prove’ players are rubbish...

Big fan. And of course this is also an indicator of how poorly we finished the season too.

However there's no getting away from Lundstram's record, even prior to Coutts injury as above we lost all 3 games he started.
His influence on the game in the middle of the park in nowhere near good enough, he can sometimes start games well but when he makes an error his whole game goes, confidence goes and he becomes very erratic and it rubs off on the rest of the bunch.

He hasn't got the concentration levels to make it at this level, I don't think that's something you can teach. He's got talent.

 

[Roygbiv]

Big fan. And of course this is also an indicator of how poorly we finished the season too.

However there's no getting away from Lundstram's record, even prior to Coutts injury as above we lost all 3 games he started.
His influence on the game in the middle of the park in nowhere near good enough, he can sometimes start games well but when he makes an error his whole game goes, confidence goes and he becomes very erratic and it rubs off on the rest of the bunch.

He hasn't got the concentration levels to make it at this level, I don't think that's something you can teach. He's got talent.

We won one game with Lundstram in the team pre-Coutts. Against Ipswich at home. Think Coutts was suspended.

 

[Eric Cartman]

We won one game with Lundstram in the team pre-Coutts. Against Ipswich at home. Think Coutts was suspended.

Yeah we did. I was on holiday for that one that's why I couldn't remember it.

So we lost QPR, Forest away and was it Fulham at home?

 

[Prestonblade5]

I agree that taken in isolation, his record is meaningless.

However, if we compare lundstram’s starting record:

P 22
W 4
D 6
L 12

Win percentage of 18%

And then compare it directly to our record WITHOUT him in the starting line up:

P 24
W 16
D 3
L 5

Win percentage of 67%.

I would suggest it starts to become relevant. That is an astonishing difference whichever way you look at it. This is for the same team, in the same league in the same season. That is a substantial enough sample size for the to be some causation alongside the correlation....

Edit: in addition to these stats, Lundstram started theee games before Coutts broke his leg: QPR away, Fulham at home and Forest away - we lost ALL THREE. And this is when we were second and absolutely flying. The correlation is terrifying!

Thank you for that. The correlation is worrying.

 

[Roygbiv]

Yeah we did. I was on holiday for that one that's why I couldn't remember it.

So we lost QPR, Forest away and was it Fulham at home?

Yeah that's right.

 

[Bladesince59]

His record as a starter reads:

P 22
W 4
D 6
L 12

SHIT THEN

 

[Working Class Hero]

Win ratio stats are a bit pointless really but that much of a swing just shows the difference between Coutts and Lundstram. Not necessarily the difference in how good they are as an individual, but how much of a difference they make to the team, our tempo and style of play.

A fair proportion of supporters like Lundstram, which they are entitled to do, but I imagine a much smaller proportion would say he's good for the way we play.

 

[Cheets]

I agree that taken in isolation, his record is meaningless.

However, if we compare lundstram’s starting record:

P 22
W 4
D 6
L 12

Win percentage of 18%

And then compare it directly to our record WITHOUT him in the starting line up:

P 24
W 16
D 3
L 5

Win percentage of 67%.

I would suggest it starts to become relevant. That is an astonishing difference whichever way you look at it. This is for the same team, in the same league in the same season. That is a substantial enough sample size for the to be some causation alongside the correlation....

Edit: in addition to these stats, Lundstram started theee games before Coutts broke his leg: QPR away, Fulham at home and Forest away - we lost ALL THREE. And this is when we were second and absolutely flying. The correlation is terrifying!

Fulham at home was after Coutts broke his leg.

 

[Jehovah]

It may or may not be linked. The more obvious matter for me is how he seems to consistently look poor. His finishing must be some of the worst I've ever seen too.

 

[Dec]

We battered Forest away and Lundstram scored. Somehow we lost.

But we lost the game because he was in the team, of course...

 

[Booker4]

Lundstram has some great qualities but needs to do his defensive stuff better such as tracking men which he didn't do at Boro. He also needs to improve his composure at times such as blazing wide v Swansea. However, he's still learning and improving and has some real ability in there, I think we need to be patient with him.

Also, Lundstram wasn't bought as a starter but had to be because Coutts got injured and at times fans forget he put in some really good performances last season. He's already set up a goal this season too against Swansea.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

I bet Stearman's record is just as bad tbh.

 

[oldblade]

As noted though, a lot of these games came post Coutts when we lost our way as a team. Interesting though that we won 7 games post Christmas once we had settled down somewhat yet he didn't play in 5 of those wins.

But I think Evans started in all 7.

 

[oldblade]

Evans the better player? Evans dragged everyone down I believe. Flecks form has dropped since Christmas.

Hopefully tomorrow we will see more improvements.

As pointed out by Roygbiv, we have only won 4 matches where Lundstram started, and lost 12.

We have won 7 matches where Evans started and lost 7.

But the stats on their own can be misleading. It may be that both of those players have a higher win/loss ration when partnered with particular players. The Duffy, Evans, Fleck combination seemed to work well. I think we won 3 out of 4 when those 3 started.

 

[oldblade]

Big fan. And of course this is also an indicator of how poorly we finished the season too.

However there's no getting away from Lundstram's record, even prior to Coutts injury as above we lost all 3 games he started.
His influence on the game in the middle of the park in nowhere near good enough, he can sometimes start games well but when he makes an error his whole game goes, confidence goes and he becomes very erratic and it rubs off on the rest of the bunch.

He hasn't got the concentration levels to make it at this level, I don't think that's something you can teach. He's got talent.

We beat Ipswich 1-0 before Coutts was injured. Lundstram played the full 90 minutes of that match.

 

[Prestonblade5]

I think the stats are indefensible. I don’t particularly think he’s a bad player but he definitely has a negative effect on the team. Whatever way you want to look at it, that’s true.