Well done England ...

[LJBlade]

Here's a first, we agree. Beckham was an extremely talented hardworking and driven footballer. He did exceptionally well in exceptional sides. Had he been Scots or Welsh the sycophancy towards him would have been far less. Give me Ryan Giggs every day of the week. World class? If he was, he was towards the lower level of that accolade, certainly nowhere near the top, in any era you wish to name.

I would like to point out that the 'World Class' comment was me quoting what another player had said about him, I'd actually agree with you in that if he was he was towards the bottom end of 'world class'. It was only a side note anyway.

 

[Sean Thornton]

For you maybe.

I’m no receiver

UTB

Admitting to being a giver then. Well it's 2018.....

 

[itsinyerblood]

For you maybe.

I’m no receiver

UTB

All right then, no need to go on about it, just take control and hope it's well received

 

[DronnieBlade]

Not hanging my hat on anything. Just providing the evidence which proves you 'several decades' argument completely incorrect. Now that's several things you've got wrong, maybe it would be better to quit whilst you're miles behind?

Have you noticed the majority of comments on this very thread supportive of your Beckham World class Statement ?

In Disagreement ?

Perhaps it’s time I introduced you to the concept of being wrong ?

UTB

Happy to continue your education at your own request. I’m on a mission from god, and I have forgotten more than you will ever know on this, our chosen subject

 

[The Crab]

Make sure you wear your sunglasses !

Have been doing mate. Looked a right twat walking round Meadowhall in them.

 

[LJBlade]

Have you noticed the majority of comments on this very thread supportive of your Beckham World class Statement ?

In Disagreement ?

Perhaps it’s time I introduced you to the concept of being wrong ?

UTB

Happy to continue your education at your own request. I’m on a mission from god, and I have forgotten more than you will ever know on this, our chosen subject

'My' Beckham world class statement? I think you need to go back and read it again.

Have you noticed you've now moved on from your original argument now that you realise how nonsensical it actually was?

You know more? Tell me again about Dejan Lovren being such a technically gifted player....

 

[BushBlade]

BladesOnToast

now that's what i was talking about we are not the finished article & we have over achieved because of lack of English players to choose from. that decreases with every transfer window. so we are taking players that no longer play for the big PL clubs & if you take an objective view. its been a decade plus of misery

2007 - we need a point a home but collapse v Croatia & fail to qualify for a tournament in 14 years
2010 - dreadful scrape point v usa, 0-0 v Algeria, terrible 1-0 v Slovakia. then played off the park by Germany 4-1
2012 - miracle we get got to pens v Italy in QF as they dominated us for 120 mins
2014 - 2 deserved defeats to Italy & Uruguay. then dull 0-0 v costa rica who i dont think we even troubled the GK
2016 - unlucky v Russia, good 2nd half v wales, awful v Slovenia & Iceland 1 of the worst displays in a major tournament

It’s also worth remembering that Croatia were part of Yugoslavia who were sometimes called the Brazil of Europe due to the country producing technically gifted players. They’ve had a poor few years but, in the main, are one of the better national sides. It’s not like we lost to mugs.

 

[Davalon]

I agree with Keane being godlike. His vastly exaggerated opinion of himself, cowardly vicious streak and disappearances at times of crisis is very similar to Yahweh. I'm not sure god ever got chinned by Brian Clough though. Imagine a hard man getting knocked on his arse by a middle aged alcoholic. Tough as knitted booties.

You forgot walking out on your country like a mardy baby.

Keane Cork Cunt.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

It’s also worth remembering that Croatia were part of Yugoslavia who were sometimes called the Brazil of Europe due to the country producing technically gifted players. They’ve had a poor few years but, in the main, are one of the better national sides. It’s not like we lost to mugs.

A Yugoslavian side now would be superb that's for sure.

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

I think the really big challenge for England is similar to that of United (Pinchy will be pleased I’ve made this Blades related ) but on a bigger scale.

We have some clearly talented youngsters as evidenced by success in the junior level tournaments but there is no clear paths for these talented players into top flight first team squads. The Germans and others have achieved this transition with far greater success than we have in recent history so hopefully we know the blueprint but the real concern is as always the clubs have more power than the national team. Until this is rebalanced slightly, maybe with a truly real and enforced England qualified quota, we are likely to remain the international nearly nation.

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

Here's a first, we agree. Beckham was an extremely talented hardworking and driven footballer. He did exceptionally well in exceptional sides. Had he been Scots or Welsh the sycophancy towards him would have been far less. Give me Ryan Giggs every day of the week. World class? If he was, he was towards the lower level of that accolade, certainly nowhere near the top, in any era you wish to name.

You see there’s part of the issue, Ryan Giggs hugely talented but by all accounts declined to play for Wales on a number of occasions. Beckham would probably play now if you asked him. I agree talent wise Giggs was better but was his commitment to his country? Arguable

 

[Sean Thornton]

You see there’s part of the issue, Ryan Giggs hugely talented but by all accounts declined to play for Wales on a number of occasions. Beckham would probably play now if you asked him. I agree talent wise Giggs was better but was his commitment to his country? Arguable

I take your point but I'd play for my country without hesitation even at my age. It was about DB being world class or not, not his undeniable attachment to his country, even if it did increase his profile world wide....

 

[DronnieBlade]

'My' Beckham world class statement? I think you need to go back and read it again.

Have you noticed you've now moved on from your original argument now that you realise how nonsensical it actually was?

You know more? Tell me again about Dejan Lovren being such a technically gifted player....

Your words in #604.


“I'll also add that it wasn't anywhere near 'several decades' ago when Beckham was described as being 'world class' whilst dragging Real Madrid to the La Liga title”.

In direct response to my claim of no successful Englishman in decades.

As I said, I’m on a mission from god

UTB

 

[SB_90]

A Yugoslavian side now would be superb that's for sure.

I was searching that & article had done ths what if. (Their wasnt a horrendous war) They wouldve been up with the favourites no doubt. As i was looking at it & in the same 433 they played yesterday. You could be looking at. With many quality on bench

Oblak
Vrsaljko Savić Nastasić Kolarov
Rakatic Matic Modric
Pjanic Dzeko Perisic

https://www.sportskeeda.com/amp/football/yugoslavia-s-23-man-squad-if-it-was-still-one-nation

 

[LJBlade]

Your words in #604.


“I'll also add that it wasn't anywhere near 'several decades' ago when Beckham was described as being 'world class' whilst dragging Real Madrid to the La Liga title”.

In direct response to my claim of no successful Englishman in decades.

As I said, I’m on a mission from god

UTB

Maybe you should have another read of it, you seem to missing a key bit.

If this mission you speak of is to convince the world that Dejan Lovren is a technically gifted player then I think God is having a laugh with you.

 

[BushBlade]

I think the really big challenge for England is similar to that of United (Pinchy will be pleased I’ve made this Blades related ) but on a bigger scale.

We have some clearly talented youngsters as evidenced by success in the junior level tournaments but there is no clear paths for these talented players into top flight first team squads. The Germans and others have achieved this transition with far greater success than we have in recent history so hopefully we know the blueprint but the real concern is as always the clubs have more power than the national team. Until this is rebalanced slightly, maybe with a truly real and enforced England qualified quota, we are likely to remain the international nearly nation.

On the other hand, Russia are talking about doing away with their quota because it’s lead to very average Russian players being overpaid.

 

[Blade for Sale]

I think the really big challenge for England is similar to that of United (Pinchy will be pleased I’ve made this Blades related ) but on a bigger scale.

We have some clearly talented youngsters as evidenced by success in the junior level tournaments but there is no clear paths for these talented players into top flight first team squads. The Germans and others have achieved this transition with far greater success than we have in recent history so hopefully we know the blueprint but the real concern is as always the clubs have more power than the national team. Until this is rebalanced slightly, maybe with a truly real and enforced England qualified quota, we are likely to remain the international nearly nation.

I think the 'pathway for youth' thing is over-complicating the issue. The only path they need to follow is to work their bollocks off. If they do that, and they are good enough, a path will open up. The best thing we can do to ease that path is not to put them on £10-20k a week at the age of 16-17 and throw pushy parents into the fucking sea.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Maybe you should have another read of it, you seem to missing a key bit.

If this mission you speak of is to convince the world that Dejan Lovren is a technically gifted player then I think God is having a laugh with you.

You raised this as a point of reference. No one else brought it up. It was unprompted.

I’m curious as to how you think you were not in agreement with something that YOU brought up, as a direct response to something you were not in agreement with.

Miles behind indeed

UTB

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

I think the 'pathway for youth' thing is over-complicating the issue. The only path they need to follow is to work their bollocks off. If they do that, and they are good enough, a path will open up. The best thing we can do to ease that path is not to put them on £10-20k a week at the age of 16-17 and throw pushy parents into the fucking sea.

Which is part of the problem created by the PL academy system inflating the market and worse the expectations of the young players

 

[McGrath]

I think the 'pathway for youth' thing is over-complicating the issue. The only path they need to follow is to work their bollocks off. If they do that, and they are good enough, a path will open up. The best thing we can do to ease that path is not to put them on £10-20k a week at the age of 16-17 and throw pushy parents into the fucking sea.

I disagree to an extent. At Man City there's a buzz about this kid Phil Foden at the moment. But realistically even if he works twice as hard as anyone else, what chance has he got when they've just spent £60million on Mahrez, to go alongside Silva, Sterling, Sane and De Bruyne , in the same position... he's got no chance. Best thing he can do is put in a transfer request and get out as fast as he can.

 

[LJBlade]

You raised this as a point of reference. No one else brought it up. It was unprompted.

I’m curious as to how you think you were not in agreement with something that YOU brought up, as a direct response to something you were not in agreement with.

Miles behind indeed

UTB

The 'world class' comment was a side note to me showing how you were incorrect. If you like we can forget about that particular bit, though unfortunately that still won't make your point a correct one. It's telling that you're focusing on that though instead of what you were originally discussing.

If only we hadn't selected Jesse Lingard purely for his strength we could have dealt with the technical genius that is Dejan Lovren.

Anyway, back to your original, original point. What is it about United's academy that makes you think we are still fixated on how big, strong or fast a player is?

 

[Blade for Sale]

I disagree to an extent. At Man City there's a buzz about this kid Phil Foden at the moment. But realistically even if he works twice as hard as anyone else, what chance has he got when they've just spent £60million on Mahrez, to go alongside Silva, Sterling, Sane and De Bruyne , in the same position... he's got no chance. Best thing he can do is put in a transfer request and get out as fast as he can.

Best thing he can do is get 1st team football at the highest level he can, work his tezzers off, whatever it takes and put the money to the back of his mind (whatever he ends up earning will be beyond the wildest dreams of most of us anyway). If he's good enough he plays. If that means being better than Mahrez, Silva, Sane and De Bruyne, so be it.

 

[DronnieBlade]

The 'world class' comment was a side note to me showing how you were incorrect. If you like we can forget about that particular bit, though unfortunately that still won't make your point a correct one. It's telling that you're focusing on that though instead of what you were originally discussing.

If only we hadn't selected Jesse Lingard purely for his strength we could have dealt with the technical genius that is Dejan Lovren.

Anyway, back to your original, original point. What is it about United's academy that makes you think we are still fixated on how big, strong or fast a player is?

Please confirm where I referenced specifically Uniteds academy ?

Or would you prefer to forget about that particular bit as well ??

UTB

“A side note to myself, to confirm you woz wrong”

 

[SB_90]

I think the 'pathway for youth' thing is over-complicating the issue. The only path they need to follow is to work their bollocks off. If they do that, and they are good enough, a path will open up.

Qoutas Probally wont help in the long term as english price will rocket. But for english players that unfortunately doesnt happen as much as it should because harry kane & marcus rashford are quality players. But only got played as they were the a last resort. Only fit player because PL managers would rather buy a foreigner than try a english academy person where we know the quality is there

 

[LJBlade]

Please confirm where I referenced specifically Uniteds academy ?

Or would you prefer to forget about that particular bit as well ??

UTB

“A side note to myself, to confirm you woz wrong”

Surely you aren't saying United are different to the other Academy's around the country?

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

On the other hand, Russia are talking about doing away with their quota because it’s lead to very average Russian players being overpaid.

Never said it would be easy and I’ve seen the same. The problem we have currently though is that it is almost the opposite here where we’re paying silly money to essentially bang average foreign players. There must be a middle ground somewhere

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

I take your point but I'd play for my country without hesitation even at my age. It was about DB being world class or not, not his undeniable attachment to his country, even if it did increase his profile world wide....

The point I was trying to make was that some of Beckham’s reputation is based on that. Spraking to my Welsh friends their views of Giggs are coloured by this issue, well that and shagging his brothers wife of course!

 

[BushBlade]

The point I was trying to make was that some of Beckham’s reputation is based on that. Spraking to my Welsh friends their views of Giggs are coloured by this issue, well that and shagging his brothers wife of course!

They think he should have stuck to sheep and his sister like the rest of them?

 

[DronnieBlade]

Surely you aren't saying United are different to the other Academy's around the country?

Do you hear voices in the darkness of the night ?

UTB

 

[LJBlade]

Do you hear voices in the darkness of the night ?

UTB

Nice swerve. When you feel like answering either question please let me know.