Outgoing? O’Connell to Brighton

[EddieColquhoun]

He will “request a transfer” and you know you “can’t stand in their way”

We are the new Barnsley, one decent season back in the Championship , sell the crown Jewells and back to League one again within the next two or three seasons.

We may have to accept that is our level now.

Weren't you crying all last summer and demanding that the club throw extra money at getting Holmes and Leonard in?

 

[zablade]

That’s no problem then. All we need to do is what Reading have done and tell Brighton to feck off or pay silly money.

Do that a lot don’t we..

 

[zablade]

Weren't you crying all last summer and demanding that the club throw extra money at getting Holmes and Leonard in?

No. I said we should be setting our targets hgher than Holmes and Leonard. And the JTW proved me right

I saw no reason then or now why we can’t compete with the likes of Bristol or Forest in the transfer market. They don’t have parachute money and leave us in the dust with signings.

I ask again how they do it?

 

[Ranmoorblade]

According to the star Brooks is on (reputedly) £30,000 per week at Bournemouth , still not sure why he left? If that is true its getting more ridiculous by the minute, how many matches has he played in the championship? I know its about following a player over a period of time to monitor his talent but it still sounds one hell of a gamble even considering premier league money. If wage size is a consideration for harmony in our dressing room isn't it in everybody elses?

He’s in the same as Gary Madine then.

 

[Esablade]

Thank fuck Coutts brok his leg is all I can say...Barca would have been in for him...

Obviously it’s a sign we’re doing very well that these Prem clubs are interested in our players.
Think back to L1 when we were buying these players for under £300K/free and how the management team have transformed these lads into multi-million pound players! McCabe/Princey are very lucky lads.

Great stuff!

Every player has a price and our failings in the past has been a story of diminishing returns, sell yer best buy average...it’s up to Wilder and the management to step up to the next level...so it’s UTB from me in are next exciting chapter.

P.S- Of course if the only shop we’re visiting is still ‘good ‘ol Aldi’ we’re going to struggle.

 

[SUFC Guy]

I ask again how they do it?

They risk the future of their club

 

[Mouth of the South]

If the decision reaches JOC, which it may not if Utd reject offer/s for him, it will be a big call for him. Increased salary and the possibility of playing Prem football yes but at what cost? He last time he made the step-up (to Brentford) he wasn't ready and was soon found out. With -Dunk and Duffy there, would be be anything more than back-up? Would he be able to play at that level in a back 4? Would he want to jump ship from Utd where he is settled and appreciated?

 

[derfblade.3]

Brighton still in talks with Reading........


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Originally Posted by forumwayseagull
Moved onto Jack O'Connell for 6 mill supposedly from Sheff utd..
https://twitter.com/bramalllanehq/st...34024332206081
Liam Moore discussions still ongoing. Reading holding out for more ( understandably ). We don't want to go further than our current position ( understandably ) Reading would like £12m. ( Forget all the paper talk...£20m+ )
Waiting game.

 

[bertieblade]

They risk the future of their club

For every Bristol or Forest there is a Sheffield W*******.
It’s a gamble which Wilder and people with the good of the club at heart are not prepared to take.
Burnley are the ideal role model

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

For those now aware of 'Wit' - he's CWs mate.

 

[zablade]

No.

For every Bristol or Forest there is a Sheffield W*******.
It’s a gamble which Wilder and people with the good of the club at heart are not prepared to take.
Burnley are the ideal role model

Okay if we accept that Burnley didn’t buy big to achieve promotion that’s one thing. Shall I tell you something else that they didn’t do?

Sell.

 

[Rodley]

No. I said we should be setting our targets hgher than Holmes and Leonard. And the JTW proved me right

I saw no reason then or now why we can’t compete with the likes of Bristol or Forest in the transfer market. They don’t have parachute money and leave us in the dust with signings.

I ask again how they do it?

Bristol’s owner is worth about a £1bn. They’re fortunate in that he’s a more traditional owner (ala Burnley, Preston, Wigan, Stoke, etc) in that he invests In the stadium, academy and genuinely has a deep rooted connection with the club. But he’s probably in the top 10-15 owners in the UK in terms of wealth. That’s how they do it.

Forests owner is a “speculator owner” like SWFC. About 1 in 10 of these types of owners is any good. He has comparable resources to our guys (probably £100m more) but is in it for the short term gamble to the Premiership. If he doesn’t do it in two or three years they’ll reach the FFP limit, he’ll pull the plug and they’ll be fucked. That’s how / why he does it.

 

[bromtom]

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For those now aware of 'Wit' - he's CWs mate.

If Brooks was on £4K then fuck me, he could've gone to another championship team and quadrupled that.

He must've been on 10k at least with the new contract. Surely.

 

[GrayBlade]

Do that a lot don’t we..

No Za. Maybe we should and start by giving Southend’s owner a bell to ask him ‘what do we do when the big clubs come calling?’

 

[Rodley]

Okay if we accept that Burnley didn’t buy big to achieve promotion that’s one thing. Shall I tell you something else that they didn’t do?

Sell.

Except for Charlie Austin, Kieran Trippier, etc.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Okay if we accept that Burnley didn’t buy big to achieve promotion that’s one thing. Shall I tell you something else that they didn’t do?

Sell.

Danny Ings and Charlie Austin still banging in the goals for Burnley then?

 

[Maidenhead]

Wilder has stated that no other player has expressed a wish to leave.
If they are attracted by higher wages and the potential,of premiership football and demand the right to be released from their contract as was the case with Brooks, then we have no option other than to negotiate a deal to maximise the fee and wish them all the best in their new job.
Until then things remain as they were

Absolutely right.

That's the reality of being a second tier club.

Chris Wilder knows that and it's about time more of our fans came to appreciate that.

We either have to double our wage bill (and we haven't got the money) or we are a sitting duck for premier league clubs.

The interest now being shown in our players is a direct result of how well we did last season

 

[BushBlade]

No Za. Maybe we should and start by giving Southend’s owner a bell to ask him ‘what do we do when the big clubs come calling?’

Hold out for six months then sell at the price you were originally offered would be the answer.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Except for Charlie Austin, Kieran Trippier, etc.

Burnley sold key players to fund transfers every season up until promotion (Austin, Ings, Rodriguez etc).

 

[nopigfansintown]

Except for Charlie Austin, Kieran Trippier, etc.

Andre Gray, Michael Keane.

 

[Bladezz]

Okay if we accept that Burnley didn’t buy big to achieve promotion that’s one thing. Shall I tell you something else that they didn’t do?

Sell.

Apart from:

Michael Keane
André Gray
Danny Ings
Kieran Trippier

Everyone sells its the way of the world. They only got £3m for Trippier!

 

[Bladezz]

I was too late everyone beat me too it

 

[Maidenhead]

Unless his head is turned CW wouldn't even think of accepting a bid for him unless it's a ridiculous offer far over his evaluation. So O'Connell is in control of whether this happens. Fact is we are alot more vulnerable due to our wage structure being one of the league's lowest, that makes it hard for us to recruit quality players aswell as keep quality players, players like Fleck, O'Connell who might have the chance for a Prem move to secure there financial futures are may not likely avoid that unfortunately. Thats the problem, if we had a more competitive wage structure we wouldn't be as vulnerable with players wanting to go for more money cause players would be more content with the wage there on here. I reckon wages are a bigger problem for us than transfer fees at the moment in terms of both recruiting players and when teams come in for our players.

Absolutely right, and yet loads of our fans want to blow whatever cash we have on transfer fees.

A phased increase in the wage structure, as we have already seen when players get new contracts early because Wilder thinks "it is only right to reward good performance" is the only sustainable way forward but there will be casualties along the way.

We will lose some players we would rather not lose, and we will ditch some players that don't meet the rising standards.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Hold out for six months then sell at the price you were originally offered would be the answer.

The Harry Maguire approach. Oh sorry, you said six months.

 

[Addison]

If Brooks was on £4K then fuck me, he could've gone to another championship team and quadrupled that.

He must've been on 10k at least with the new contract. Surely.

It is very unlikely that Brooks would have signed a four year contract on such low wages. Local hack gets it wrong again and has just been put in his place over Oconnell.

 

[snootyfenooty]

I've held off posting until now as what's really getting my goat isn't Brighton, Nixon, our board etc. It's our fans. From quite a few on here, the focus is not on keeping him, it's how much the club should get for him. £5m, nah, should be £10m at least. Fucking hell, you would think they were getting a cut. What a fucking shower, with fans of this outlook we've got no fucking chance. No wonder the club think they are able to take liberties.

 

[Maidenhead]

If the decision reaches JOC, which it may not if Utd reject offer/s for him, it will be a big call for him. Increased salary and the possibility of playing Prem football yes but at what cost? He last time he made the step-up (to Brentford) he wasn't ready and was soon found out. With -Dunk and Duffy there, would be be anything more than back-up? Would he be able to play at that level in a back 4? Would he want to jump ship from Utd where he is settled and appreciated?

for an extra £15k a week I'd do it, wouldn't you?

 

[WORKSOPBLADE]

Wit says not happening ... end of thread.

 

[BushBlade]

Absolutely right.

That's the reality of being a second tier club.

Chris Wilder knows that and it's about time more of our fans came to appreciate that.

We either have to double our wage bill (and we haven't got the money) or we are a sitting duck for premier league clubs.

The interest now being shown in our players is a direct result of how well we did last season

I’ve come to the conclusion that many of our supporters don’t want to appreciate that. They think there is a simple solution, like it’s a computer game where you can just ‘raise the wage structure’ or ‘tell x to fuck off and hold him to his contract’ because it suits their argument to believe things like this. They’re upset because we’re not as successful as they think we should be and we keep selling players they love to watch and get exited about.

It doesn’t matter how many times people explain that we’re competing with owners who are putting in more than £10m a season (until they run out or fall foul of FFP), that our owners simply can’t afford to do that; either they will personally go bankrupt or put the club into administration if they did, that to be anywhere close to competing with the idiot clubs we have to carry more losses than they can afford to cover so we have to sell players sometimes to make up the difference.

And even if they do, there’s a simple answer; ‘sell up to new owners’, ignoring the reality that for every good owner there are ten bad ones, that clubs like Forest and Leeds have been changing owners and losing big money for years and have achieved fuck all.

You’re dealing with people who think there are simple answers to complex problems. I’m bored of it, bored of the same people posting the same crap.

 

[GrayBlade]

Burnley sold key players to fund transfers every season up until promotion (Austin, Ings, Rodriguez etc).

I think some of us would be a bit more relaxed with that proposition if the club had ever remotely looked like re-investing most of our quality players sales or income to strengthen overall before. I recall the discussions about what Wilder would get/ be able to do with some of the unexpected Walker/Maguire windfalls. Answer was not a lot.