Championship big spenders quest to change FFP rules

[Blade58]

It appears the big spenders have failed in their bid to rewrite the rules

Only 6 clubs backed the proposal to raise the £39m ceiling and so the attempt was squashed

"The Championship's high rollers are fearful of new penalties, including points deductions, which are set to be handed down for the first time under new tougher rules"

Wonder if the pigs were one of the clubs who attempted to change the rules?

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

It appears the big spenders have failed in their bid to rewrite the rules

Only 6 clubs backed the proposal to raise the £39m ceiling and so the attempt was squashed

"The Championship's high rollers are fearful of new penalties, including points deductions, which are set to be handed down for the first time under new tougher rules"

Wonder if the pigs were one of the clubs who attempted to change the rules?

Pigs, Leeds, Forest - have I forgotten any other club that's stuck in a 1970's time warp?

 

[Selly]

Pigs, Leeds, Forest - have I forgotten any other club that's stuck in a 1970's time warp?

Villa, Boro???

 

[Blade58]

Pigs, Leeds, Forest - have I forgotten any other club that's stuck in a 1970's time warp?

Villa?

Boro will be one I guess

 

[S15Blade]

Probably not any club with parachute payments. They'd prefer ffp to keep their financial upper hand. Then change their time when they end

Be pigs, Leeds, forest, derby, Bristol maybe, Birmingham perhaps

 

[Superblades]

I’m glad that was voted against. It’s about time that clubs realise they need a more sustainable model and can’t just throw money at it. Be interesting to see which clubs this has an effect on and hopefully points deductions do follow.

 

[8lade]

I'd like to see stricter rules on the point deductions ie how many points you can expect to lose for breaking the rules and when they will be applied. None of this 3 pts for leeds takes them from 3rd to 6th and 12 pts for Sheff Utd* takes them from 1st to 7th.
* Not that we would ever break the rules.

 

[Stretch]

The news has not gone down well in North Korea

 

[boo radley]

The news has not gone down well in North Korea

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Are you saying he'll be back building his Arsenal?
They're not even in the Championship.

 

[KoppedOff]

Everything about parachute payments sum up the Premier League and modern English football perfectly.

Lets reward multi-million pound failure with multi-million pound hand outs.

Its like throwing someone out out of a pub for being too pissed and giving him a bottle of brandy on their way out, because hair of the dog will sort their hangover out in the morning.

 

[Fanny magnet]

Everything about parachute payments sum up the Premier League and modern English football perfectly.

Lets reward multi-million pound failure with multi-million pound hand outs.

Its like throwing someone out out of a pub for being too pissed and giving him a bottle of brandy on their way out, because hair of the dog will sort their hangover out in the morning.

It's supposed to be to stop them from going bust
And help them through but they sack all the staff and keep the players on sky high wages to try and get back up

 

[Need4speed]

It has been reported that one Championship Club will listen to offers for any player on their books Is this Derby and have they anyone we could use

 

[Fanny magnet]

It has been reported that one Championship Club will listen to offers for any player on their books Is this Derby and have they anyone we could use

It's villa

 

[Selly]

It's villa

Yup.

Problem they have is no one is going to match the wages. So best case for villa is to move people on, perhaps getting some sort of fee, but still end up paying a proportion of the wages.

 

[SB_90]

it seems that as different as they can be, all teams sports are the same. because they all need saving from themselves financially. because it seems they have a lot of the same problems as F1 for example where they both have unsustainable budgets. but majority are opposed to budget caps forced upon them, even though it will help them stay in business

trying to get my head around, how them 6 teams thinking just because they up the limit doesn't stop the fact that debt is rising whether its 39m or ie 50m over 3 seasons, clubs still have to pay it back in the end. EFL have to do something because its like them 6 have ignored the wake up call that is aston villa who are seemingly up to their neck in it. thinking it wont happen to us. you wonder whether nothing will change until a championship side does a Portsmouth or worse goes to the wall

 

[grafikhaus]

It's villa

Yup, and they'll 'only' listen to offers for Grealish for £40m+...

 

[Fanny magnet]

Yup, and they'll 'only' listen to offers for Grealish for £40m+...

ha ha wait until
Daniel levy will has their pants down and leaves them a little chocolate on the pillow

 

[Tom Bott]

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sp...ews/message-aston-villa-fans-furious-14765864

 

[McGrath]

Yup.

Problem they have is no one is going to match the wages. So best case for villa is to move people on, perhaps getting some sort of fee, but still end up paying a proportion of the wages.

I read that Villa are almost in administration and haven't been paying the taxman so they are even scarily close to liquidation.

 

[Blade58]

I read that Villa are almost in administration and haven't been paying the taxman so they are even scarily close to liquidation.

They were reliant on winning promotion and Brucie bonus failed miserably

 

[KoppedOff]

It's supposed to be to stop them from going bust
And help them through but they sack all the staff and keep the players on sky high wages to try and get back up

Exactly. Unless a player has a genuine affinity with the club (rarer by the season), they dont suffer any reprecussions at all. Even if they have a relegation wage drop in their contract, they simply put in a transfer request (saying its for “ambition”) and get sold off back to another PL club (probably on the cheap, so they get a bigger signing on fee) and if their new club cant afford their astronomical wages, no worries; his old club will make up the difference using their parachute payments.

Meanwhile, Dave and Brenda in the ticket office and Barry who’s swept the car park for NMW since 1994 are sent down the road to the jobcentre.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Bruce is the interesting one in this. Is he going to resign and go to a club that matches his ambition (i.e. gives him an open cheque book) or will he stay and see his (very lucrative) contract out and watch Villa tank.

 

[8lade]

I'm really getting some schadenfreude from this, I shouldn't and it's not just because it's Villa (although Grealish's antics last season took some beating) but I think I'd feel the same way about any club this happens to. Once again like them or not the McCabe Family have made us play by the rules and I feel comfortable that there is no chance of this happening to United whilst they are in charge.

 

[The Fox]

Whilst on the face of it , it seams bizarre that on one hand whilst we're told football is now business, they have to have a rule about how much you can lose which clubs complain about .
However most club chairman in the championship are now billionaires not millionaires , the disparity between ex prem clubs and clubs really having a go at the PL golden ticket means that you have to spend beyond your limits to simply stand still . There will be any number of clubs and chairman willing to go to the limit of losses , if you're not one of them inevitably you risk going backwards .
Whilst I don't want to see us "spunking moneh" neither do I want us to back to the third tier or become Ipswich. Sooner or later the circumstances of the clubs in the championship will make us have to make a choice on where we want to be and realistically what it will cost to get there .

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I'm really getting some schadenfreude from this, I shouldn't and it's not just because it's Villa (although Grealish's antics last season took some beating) but I think I'd feel the same way about any club this happens to. Once again like them or not the McCabe Family have made us play by the rules and I feel comfortable that there is no chance of this happening to United whilst they are in charge.

And there is no chance of promotion either. McCabe has gambled at the wrong times on the wrong managers, if he had got these circumstances right we would be a cemented Prem club. He's a bit like me old Kev, doesn't know how to gamble on football.

 

[FYT]

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sp...ews/message-aston-villa-fans-furious-14765864

Makes me laugh. Living in the Midlands, Villa fans seem to have the same sense of entitlement as them lot from the dark side. Whilst i wouldn't want a club like Villa go to the wall, i do feel a sense of karma when listening to them moan and whine......they've done it for years and years.

 

[FYT]

Bruce is the interesting one in this. Is he going to resign and go to a club that matches his ambition (i.e. gives him an open cheque book) or will he stay and see his (very lucrative) contract out and watch Villa tank.

He'll be gone at the first offer. You can't consistently be what you're consistently not.

 

[finlaytheblade]

He'll be gone at the first offer. You can't consistently be what you're consistently not.

Wilder has already said he will not gamble with the clubs future ,joining the big spenders is not the only way out of this league.We have a manager who looks to get the most out of what we've ( budget ) got,the rest is down to coaching and improving the players at the club.
A reasonable budget is obviously necessary to get the quality needed to work with but the rest is down to the manager and his coaches.
We got fairly close last season! if Wilder can plug the weakweaknesses there's no reason we can't do even better this coming season.
Wilder pushed for a bigger budget let's see what he can do with it ,going backwoods is not on the agenda Wilder will see to that.
Look forward to another exciting season ,the way we play guarantee s that,let's put all talk of going backwoods to bed and be positive about the near future with an average budget or not.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

It appears the big spenders have failed in their bid to rewrite the rules

Only 6 clubs backed the proposal to raise the £39m ceiling and so the attempt was squashed

"The Championship's high rollers are fearful of new penalties, including points deductions, which are set to be handed down for the first time under new tougher rules"

Wonder if the pigs were one of the clubs who attempted to change the rules?

Generally I don't like point deductions because it spoils the symmetry of the table, but I have no sympathy for clubs that try to beat everyone else by throwing sums of money at it which are way beyond either the means of the club or the rules.

 

[Maidenhead]

Sooner or later the circumstances of the clubs in the championship will make us have to make a choice on where we want to be and realistically what it will cost to get there .

If you don't have the resources the only choices are between stability and shit or bust.

It's a no brainer to me.

P.S. I actually think Ipswich have done rather well with resources they have.

I don't recall them having been out of the top 2 divisions but I do remember them winning the F.A. Cup when it was a competition that mattered.

Having said that I've also enjoyed our 2 championships and various other promotions too, and you can't do that without the odd relegation along the way.