How much would you want for your half?

[itsinyerblood]

Sean wouldn't have a clue, never understood the 'sliding scale' which comes into play now/ relative to league position, proportion of monies invested, value of current squad ( including Brooks, Fleck, O'Connell ).

McCabe did not give away 50% without safeguards for a situation like this. Trust Wilder to bring it all to a head.

Whatever the agreement, McCabe will not have skewed it in the prince's favour when he gave away half the club. Subject to this, that, the other and only if this, that and the other.

Sean wouldn't have a clue. He deals in past facts, not the here and now. He reads audited accounts 18 months old and talks from there.

Sorry, I stoop a few levels, but let's get real.

Woody, get a dictionary and look up clueless.

 

[Pedro Verde]

Didn’t the prince go 50-50 on everything.

No he phoned a friend

 

[hazzasufc_]

I’d double the Prince’s profit. £2.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

As much as I could f'ing get.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

A blozzer and a pint of Guinness.

In either order, or simultaneously.

 

[Aston max]

I love conspiracy theories it was me on the grassy knoll

Do we think McCabe has Chinese investors lined up ? And has used CW to inflame the Prince into a reaction

 

[Sean Thornton]

Sean wouldn't have a clue, never understood the 'sliding scale' which comes into play now/ relative to league position, proportion of monies invested, value of current squad ( including Brooks, Fleck, O'Connell ).

McCabe did not give away 50% without safeguards for a situation like this. Trust Wilder to bring it all to a head.

Whatever the agreement, McCabe will not have skewed it in the prince's favour when he gave away half the club. Subject to this, that, the other and only if this, that and the other.

Sean wouldn't have a clue. He deals in past facts, not the here and now. He reads audited accounts 18 months old and talks from there.

Sorry, I stoop a few levels, but let's get real.

Go on , ask Sean his opinion of the here and now, the valuation for each party. He'll say " well it said in the 2016 accounts that the stated income and whatever.....he'd say the directors names were..... he'd say the costs of running the tea stall in south stand were.... " but he wouldn't have the first clue about May 2018.......he's a facts man and will always claim the high ground on 18 months old facts alone... nothing else...he never expresses opinions about actual football or present and future likelihoods,

So, an ex bank manager would give a higher value to a club who finished one position higher in the league than another.

But ignore losses, past and present, overall debt, the management team running the show and the various ratio's normally analysed?

No wonder banking went tits up a few years ago.

I'm sure you are reading this so l'll point out where you've hoisted yourself with your own petard, on the Good Ship Delusion.

The accounts are usually never more than six months past the year end. Usually the December after the June y/e. For someone who thinks they know so much, where's the 18 months come from? You can't even get your basic criticism correct.

Remember gloating about being "right" about the Prince taking over, as you always said he would? What's happened to your glee over that?

You're smarting over your silly petition, for some reason suggesting Foxy hasn't done enough for your crazed idea, which is why it failed ( ? Really) and just making yourself look a bigger fool than normal.

But, I wouldn't give financial advice to either party when I haven't seen the books. Debtors creditors future commitments on players contracts,,cash or borrowings, asset values etc. Anyone who believes they can - in this instance you - is either a charlatan or as mad as a hatter. You take your info from internet transfer websites that are miles out and waffle when it's pointed out. You hailed Weir, transition, the Clough Dynasty, the Prince, but now pretend you didn't. You use figures that don't exist to "prove" you're correct.

I was asked the value. My professional opinion is that without having any actual relevant information, I couldn't begin to formulate one, since there are no accounts since 2017.

You however, fact poor but instinct rich can, it seems. So what is your £ valuation for the club. What should each one pay to take full control.

It's your gauntlet that's been thrown, so get real and put your neck on the block with figures. Explain the "sliding scale".

 

[Snowman]

Sean wouldn't have a clue, never understood the 'sliding scale' which comes into play now/ relative to league position, proportion of monies invested, value of current squad ( including Brooks, Fleck, O'Connell ).

McCabe did not give away 50% without safeguards for a situation like this. Trust Wilder to bring it all to a head.

Whatever the agreement, McCabe will not have skewed it in the prince's favour when he gave away half the club. Subject to this, that, the other and only if this, that and the other.

Sean wouldn't have a clue. He deals in past facts, not the here and now. He reads audited accounts 18 months old and talks from there.

Sorry, I stoop a few levels, but let's get real.

Go on , ask Sean his opinion of the here and now, the valuation for each party. He'll say " well it said in the 2016 accounts that the stated income and whatever.....he'd say the directors names were..... he'd say the costs of running the tea stall in south stand were.... " but he wouldn't have the first clue about May 2018.......he's a facts man and will always claim the high ground on 18 months old facts alone... nothing else...he never expresses opinions about actual football or present and future likelihoods,

Having instructed H (sometimes known as Sean) over the years, I can guarantee that fortunately he does deal in facts and does not deal in mindless uninformed speculation. The here and now cannot be known to anyone but those involved in negotiation, but at least Sean has a historical perspective to give some context to what either side may be looking to or for.

 

[Woodwardfan]

I love conspiracy theories it was me on the grassy knoll

Do we think McCabe has Chinese investors lined up ? And has used CW to inflame the Prince into a reaction

Maybe so. Something like that.

If so we fans have turned up in droves for the slightest bit of success. Chinese or whoever understand the potential in S2 now that we fans have demonstrated our sidE of the bargain. As a result our club is worth far more than it was when the prince was given 50% - THANKS TO CHRIS WILDER..

Whatever negotiations take place, the money men, the owners, the consultants, the know-alls amongst them need not lose sight that WILDER has got them all interested. Not some Belgian theorist with a few degrees; CHRIS WILDER BORN AND BRED, ONE OF OUR OWN.

 

[Snowman]

Having instructed H (sometimes known as Sean) over the years, I can guarantee that fortunately he does deal in facts and does not deal in mindless uninformed speculation. The here and now cannot be known to anyone but those involved in negotiation, but at least Sean has a historical perspective to give some context to what either side may be looking to or for.

Oh Sorry! From now on I will forever no doubt be a

 

[Woodwardfan]

Having instructed H (sometimes known as Sean) over the years, I can guarantee that fortunately he does deal in facts and does not deal in mindless uninformed speculation. The here and now cannot be known to anyone but those involved in negotiation, but at least Sean has a historical perspective to give some context to what either side may be looking to or for.

snowman. say no more.

should we always have to declare our interests before making big statements?

"Instructed" - surely he's an old man sat at his laptop all day long. How do I know? The nos of posts click on one. Yet you still do it, why you................. Blade?

sean. back off for fuck's sake. you post within 15 minutes of my every post ffs. How do I know? There is an 'ignored' within minutes of my every post - who else would it be so interested?

Please don't lead me into comments on Sean ever again. Deal with me one-to-one.

 

[Sean Thornton]

snowman. say no more.

should we always have to declare our interests before making big statements?

"Instructed" - surely he's an old man sat at his laptop all day long.

sean. back off for fuck's sake. you post within 15 minutes of my every post ffs.

Answer the post. You've shot your mouth off. What's the value? How do you arrive at it?


(Not on my holidays l'm not. Unlike you)


Quick edit. 15 minutes? There really is something wrong with you. Try well over an hour. No one believes anything you say anymore.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Having instructed H (sometimes known as Sean) over the years, I can guarantee that fortunately he does deal in facts and does not deal in mindless uninformed speculation. The here and now cannot be known to anyone but those involved in negotiation, but at least Sean has a historical perspective to give some context to what either side may be looking to or for.

.

I thank you Sir!

The old fool has now blamed you for bringing me into it when he replied about me to itsinyerblood.

As if anymore proof is needed he's gaga.

 

[SUFC Guy]

Can't they just have a half and half scarf made up and have done with it?

 

[Snowman]

.

I thank you Sir!

The old fool has now blamed you for bringing me into it when he replied about me to itsinyerblood.

As if anymore proof is needed he's gaga.

I actually don't subscribe to that theory as I'm sure it's not even a fact. I am sure WWF is well intentioned until and unless he tries his "mirror stuff" which I don't like, but that's just me. However, I don't think your proper opinion (albeit stated and couched in terms of knowing you don't have the full facts) should be dissed in such a way when I know you are working with what you have.

 

[itsinyerblood]

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I thank you Sir!

The old fool has now blamed you for bringing me into it when he replied about me to itsinyerblood.

As if anymore proof is needed he's gaga.

You're more than capable of dealing with this. No doubt you saw my post #31, I'll leave it there.

Are we still on for tomorrow?

 

[Woodwardfan]

Oh Sorry! From now on I will forever no doubt be a

No Snowman. you are not a 'shark', not yet. Sharks hunt in groups when there is blood in the water.

However, you have aligned with Sean. Have a look Blade how many times your man creates an O.P. how many times he talks football matters and ventures an opinion. I rate Deadbat's posts the tops on here. How many times does your man Sean even venture onto those threads? Look at Deadbat's reports on the season to date/ 3 episodes as yet. Sean just corrects an odd fact, doesn't agree with/ approve/ congratulate Deadbat, no, he just corrects on a matter of detail. That's him. and yet he hates Blades to express opinions that are not fact. 'merely opinions'. Sorry, forums are just as much about opinion as fact. If facts are all you know then don't diss opinion just for the sake of it, Sean/ Life is more about here and now than 18 months ago.

Cheers, Snowman. You have given me the opportunity to get that off my chest.

 

[Sean Thornton]

You're more than capable of dealing with this. No doubt you saw my post #31, I'll leave it there.

Are we still on for tomorrow?

The saddest part is where he reveals he's read my post. Thinks about it and edits it to pretend he hasn't.

 

[Sean Thornton]

No Snowman. you are not a 'shark', not yet. Sharks hunt in groups when there is blood in the water.

However, you have aligned with Sean. Have a look Blade how many times your man creates an O.P. how many times he talks football matters and ventures an opinion. I rate Deadbat's posts the tops on here. How many times does your man Sean even venture onto those threads? Look at Deadbat's reports on the season to date/ 3 episodes as yet. Sean just corrects an odd fact, doesn't agree with/ approve/ congratulate Deadbat, no, he just corrects on a matter of detail. That's him. and yet he hates Blades to express opinions that are not fact. 'merely opinions'. Sorry, forums are just as much about opinion as fact. If facts are all you know then don't diss opinion just for the sake of it, Sean/ Life is more about here and now than 18 months ago.

Cheers, Snowman. You have given me the opportunity to get that off my chest.

If I'm on ignore, how would you know?

Nevertheless it's another of your fantasies . I comment regularly on games and players.

People can get banned for constantly lying you know.

18 months again. Clueless.

 

[itsinyerblood]

The saddest part is where he reveals he's read my post. Thinks about it and edits it to pretend he hasn't.

'kinell, are we still on tomorrow? Can I suggest 2pm-ish in the place we mentioned?

 

[Sean Thornton]

'kinell, are we still on tomorrow? Can I suggest 2pm-ish in the place we mentioned?

Ringing you in a mo. Just sent WWF my reply by pm so he knows his valuation is important to us all.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Ringing you in a mo. Just sent WWF my reply by pm so he knows his valuation is important to us all.

Cheers

 

[Snowman]

No Snowman. you are not a 'shark', not yet. Sharks hunt in groups when there is blood in the water.

However, you have aligned with Sean. Have a look Blade how many times your man creates an O.P. how many times he talks football matters and ventures an opinion. I rate Deadbat's posts the tops on here. How many times does your man Sean even venture onto those threads? Look at Deadbat's reports on the season to date/ 3 episodes as yet. Sean just corrects an odd fact, doesn't agree with/ approve/ congratulate Deadbat, no, he just corrects on a matter of detail. That's him. and yet he hates Blades to express opinions that are not fact. 'merely opinions'. Sorry, forums are just as much about opinion as fact. If facts are all you know then don't diss opinion just for the sake of it, Sean/ Life is more about here and now than 18 months ago.

Cheers, Snowman. You have given me the opportunity to get that off my chest.

Sorry. He's not "my man". He is a respected knowledgeable poster as are you in a different way. I just happen to be disagreeing with you most of the time on this topic which I believe he has the knowledge to interpret. You just wait until Pinchy starts on me!

 

[metalblade]

 

[Woodwardfan]

Sorry. He's not "my man". He is a respected knowledgeable poster as are you in a different way. I just happen to be disagreeing with you most of the time on this topic which I believe he has the knowledge to interpret. You just wait until Pinchy starts on me!

Respect Blade. I know the here and now, as well as the past, plenty about the past.

What matters is the 'here and now'.

 

[Woodwardfan]

So, an ex bank manager would give a higher value to a club who finished one position higher in the league than another.

But ignore losses, past and present, overall debt, the management team running the show and the various ratio's normally analysed?

No wonder banking went tits up a few years ago.

I'm sure you are reading this so l'll point out where you've hoisted yourself with your own petard, on the Good Ship Delusion.

The accounts are usually never more than six months past the year end. Usually the December after the June y/e. For someone who thinks they know so much, where's the 18 months come from? You can't even get your basic criticism correct.

Remember gloating about being "right" about the Prince taking over, as you always said he would? What's happened to your glee over that?

You're smarting over your silly petition, for some reason suggesting Foxy hasn't done enough for your crazed idea, which is why it failed ( ? Really) and just making yourself look a bigger fool than normal.

But, I wouldn't give financial advice to either party when I haven't seen the books. Debtors creditors future commitments on players contracts,,cash or borrowings, asset values etc. Anyone who believes they can - in this instance you - is either a charlatan or as mad as a hatter. You take your info from internet transfer websites that are miles out and waffle when it's pointed out. You hailed Weir, transition, the Clough Dynasty, the Prince, but now pretend you didn't. You use figures that don't exist to "prove" you're correct.

I was asked the value. My professional opinion is that without having any actual relevant information, I couldn't begin to formulate one, since there are no accounts since 2017.

You however, fact poor but instinct rich can, it seems. So what is your £ valuation for the club. What should each one pay to take full control.

It's your gauntlet that's been thrown, so get real and put your neck on the block with figures. Explain the "sliding scale".

Sean has p.m'd me this post and I feel obliged to respond on here as well as p.m. him:

Simple points which seem to form the substantial parts of Sean's rhetoric:

1. Where did I say all of this? :

a) valuation re 'one club that finishes one place higher than another'
b) to ignore past audited accounts figures?
c) to give financial advice without seeing the books?
d) that I can value the business? Where did I 'throw the gauntlet?

As regards the date of audited accounts, Sean knows that by the time audited accounts are published there is a further year to add to the 6 months dated figures - hence my '18 months'.

As regards defining the' sliding scale', it was my suggestion that there will be a mechanism in the owners' legal agreement to reflect the level of investments by each owner in subsequent years. The division of the value of the club, if crystallised, by nature has to be a live, moving feast until crystallisation. The method of valuation of the club will have been outlined in that owners' agreement as will the proportional division of that value. If it is true that the owners have carefully matched each others' investments then it is not necessary. However KM did gift the prince 50% of the shares of the club and that half must have had strings attached if the owners always intended to match subsequent investments. Another constantly changing aspect is player valuations e.g. how much is Brooks worth this month? How much was he worth a year ago? Is he now worth less than he was the night of the Hillsborough Derby? Sean knows player valuations cannot be reflected in company accounts by the way.

As regards 'smarting over my failed petition'. Honestly Sean, do you think there was even a 5% chance that the petition would materialise? The whole point is getting the issues debated. 'Cutting up season tickets' - sound bite headline. Thing is I'm prepared to raise ideas and unpopular opinions in attempts to get people thinking about things I consider important for debate. One thing is for certain, the first fans' petition is that bit nearer following the discussion. Fans have power and I think Foxy will be a bit nearer to actually doing something one day. I did not 'bully' Foxy by the way, any new concept has to be driven a bit.

Sean also gave me a lecture in the p.m. about 'likes'.I must have said once that I appreciate 'likes', well of course I do and I think the number of 'likes' is one measure of the value of a post. A point of approval given from one member to another. Even 'likes' by morons for posts by other morons are a gesture in an open forum of course. To suggest I, of all members, court 'likes' is absurd. I spend plenty of my time berating moronic behaviour on here and holding up 'mirrors' for people to take a look at their behaviour. No I do not play the popularity game, I try to stimulate debate in areas I think are important and I call out bad behaviour from time to time.

For this exercise I took Sean off ignore and frankly I am shocked at the number of posts he has been rattling off about me. A lot of slander and mis-information. I do not hurl insults at people, especially Blades. If I can't debate then I back off. Names and insults are below me.

I do ask any reader of this to reflect for a moment or two why an accountant of obvious intelligence spends so much time agitating against a 70 year old Blade day in day out, numerous times every day when he knows he is on my 'ignore' list. He has regularly quoted things I said on Bladesmad; he knows better than me about things I'd forgotten long ago and churns it out. It's years since I was on Bladesmad !! He knows I'm not 70 until next week, he once challenged me when I said I was a 70 year old instead of 'in my 70th year'!! How sad is that?

Why don't I leave? I've flounced twice but will not be driven away. Sean did suggest a petition the other day though. Nobody has ever reported me actually.

 

[mancunianblade]

US or Canadian ?

Australian

 

[Woodwardfan]

Re Sean.

All these were on one day last Wednesday: Plus a p.m. to me!

Woodwardfans' telling us he's right about his highly disregarded shit idea. Rest of it is bluster and filler from the bone idle and those that don't "understand".

You may be waiting some time. Foxy can't even be bothered to save the club.....

Who'll sign a petition with me to stop this crazed incessant bullying of a dearly beloved member of this forum, whose only means of defence is to ban the nutcase. That alternative being open to him only because he's one of the site owners and that.

#signfor Foxy

Answer the post. You've shot your mouth off. What's the value? How do you arrive at it?


(Not on my holidays l'm not. Unlike you)


Quick edit. 15 minutes? There really is something wrong with you. Try well over an hour. No one believes anything you say anymore.

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I thank you Sir!

The old fool has now blamed you for bringing me into it when he replied about me to itsinyerblood.

As if anymore proof is needed he's gaga.

The saddest part is where he reveals he's read my post. Thinks about it and edits it to pretend he hasn't.

If I'm on ignore, how would you know?

Nevertheless it's another of your fantasies . I comment regularly on games and players.

People can get banned for constantly lying you know.

18 months again. Clueless.

Ringing you in a mo. Just sent WWF my reply by pm so he knows his valuation is important to us all.

All this when I've had him on 'ignore' for about 6 months.

 

[8lade]

Scrap! Scrap! Scrap!
Blades fighting amongst themselves again.
#Blades-disgrace etc
Obviously it's not a disgrace but it's a shame that a discussion cannot be posted without people at each others throats.

 

[Bladepicker]

Even 'likes' by morons for posts by other morons are a gesture in an open forum of course.

I do not hurl insults at people, especially Blades. If I can't debate then I back off.

All in the same post.

Bat shit cray cray. Love you WWF x