Warnock

[Tom Bott]

Areight Neil?
Farm going ok?
Tractor working?

I find it interesting that people blame NW for our relegation, yet are now blaming the board for our percieved lack of success in the second half of this season, all part of the blame culture we live in I guess.

I support NW for his achievements, he has no equal as the stats show.

When it comes to judging peoples personality I know that I am not perfect so I refrain from judging others publicly. Since the advent of the internet some of the insults thrown on here are not even classed as vitriol anymore.

I guess it's what we like to think of as progress of the human condition.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

He spent three million "for the future" presumably he thought we were safe - I mean, what other reason could there have been for signing them?

Because as the efforts to sign others had failed it was either sign some for the future then (who might be able to contribute immediately) or sign none at all? I’ve never really understood why so many have struggled to understand this, it’s hardly an uncommon approach for a manager to take. At any rate they very nearly did make an important contribution – Shelton was one competent refereeing decision away from having an immediate impact at Old Trafford for example. As has been repeated ad boreseum by me in the past, we clearly weren’t prepared to pay what was required to get in guaranteed quality, which was why Warnock was left gambling on cheaper players to come off.

 

[Weasel]

What should NW say about his Cardiff squad, they were a great bunch of players but nowhere as good as his Blades squad ?

I think some armchair experts are best left in charge of their armchairs.

Well if was to say the first part to the Cardiff press just after they had reached the premiership then I suppose it would look rather foolish. But then again no one is expecting him to say that. He can say whatever he likes about his current team. Doesn't bother me personally in the slightest as I'm indifferent to the bloke. But then again if I managed a team and came back the Lane, I wouldn't celebrate a last minute goal against United with as much glee as Big Blade Warnock did. Neither would I court the possibiliy of going to be the pig manager (and he would have gone there as well and only didn't cos the Serbian feared a pig fan backlash). He has never been short of an offer in the game and should never have considered it if he was such a big Blade

By all means recognise his achievement in the game. He's done well. But Blades fan or Blades legend...never. He's never been a Blade. I know I love SUFC a damned sight more than NW will ever do.

Perhaps some other armchair experts should learn to read and correctly interpret posts before they make themselves look foolish.

 

[super_pig]

can everyone just drop this Warnock bollocks?? it's like stalking your ex wife.. oooh new bloke has got a big car.. ooh she's moved to so and so.. ooh she said this/that.. she's gone downhill. it's pathetic lads honestly.

 

[nowtfancy]

His ability to wind wallies up at a distance of hundreds of miles and 11 or 12 years is almost as impressive as his promotion record!

 

[Weasel]

His ability to wind wallies up at a distance of hundreds of miles and 11 or 12 years is almost as impressive as his promotion record!

But I don't see many on here getting wound up about him? Im on my phone in the back garden listening to music and drinking beer. If I get anymore wound up about NW today I shall fall asleep in the sun. People might have views on him but I would suggest that the vast majority on here couldn't give two shiny shits about him tbh. He's the past and long may he stay there.

 

[Dkc]

Thank fuck we don't all share your apologist attitude, but then slavish hero worship is the hallmark of Neil Warnock fans.

So if Wilder leaves for Sunderland, and Cardiff decide that they could do better than Warnock as boss in the Prem, and he fancies one last challenge, should we take it that you wouldn't welcome him back at the Lane?

 

[Bashar Al Asaba]

So if Wilder leaves for Sunderland, and Cardiff decide that they could do better than Warnock as boss in the Prem, and he fancies one last challenge, should we take it that you wouldn't welcome him back at the Lane?

I wouldn't welcome him through our doors any more than I would welcome Gary Megson or Gareth Ainsworth.

 

[SuperDuperBlades]

It's a funny thing. We pour scorn and ridicule on Wednesday fans who can't accept that we have been better than them this season. And yet one of our more successful managers in recent times achieves (is it?) an eighth promotion (4 of them to the premier league) with an unfashionable club and yet many of our own fans can only look for any excuse to try and diminish that achievement.

Are those Wednesday fans any more delusional than some of our own?

I think he has done an amazing job. Taking that shower of shit from 23rd in the Championship to autos in 18 months is brilliant.

Of course, we wouldn't want that would we?

 

[super_pig]

Im on my phone in the back garden listening to music and drinking beer

bastards

 

[georgebernardshaw]

I think he has done an amazing job. Taking that shower of shit from 23rd in the Championship to autos in 18 months is brilliant.

Of course, we wouldn't want that would we?

You’re absolutely right, Neil

 

[SuperDuperBlades]

To be fair to Warnock he’s only managed teams expected to get relegated in the PL.

Notts County, us, Palace in a time of turmoil, QPR. In the case of the latter, got them up, had them 4th bottom then they gave loads of cash to Hughes and got relegated.

It seems doing one good job in an uncompetitive foreign league is also enough these days to be offered a middling top flight role at the very minimum and no less.

I’m not saying they are not very good managers but Mourinho has never had to manage without money. Did well at Porto but should have been knocked out of the European cup were it not due to a duff call vs Man U. Villas Boas very similar, did well at Porto but failed at Spurs and Chelsea. Even Pochetino did nothing spectacular at Espanyol, a decent job at Southampton and he’s set.

None of them have had to repeatedly fashion a silk purse from a sow’s ear like Warnock has.

None of them have taken an at the time unfancied team and turned their fortunes around quite like Warnock has at Cardiff.

He’s definitely a victim of football snobbery, be that the penchant for foreign coaches or high profile ex players.

Hughes is another good example. Managed Man City, Fulham, QPR, Stoke and Southampton. Made all of them progressively worse but still gets a job at the top table.

Steve Bruce is another who has been afforded far greater opportunities yet performed averagely. You can throw Pardew in there too. How about Sherwood? In any normal conpany how was Sherwood more qualified than Warnock for the Spurs or Villa jobs?

We’ve never seen Warnock perform with a club the size of Villa or a large budget yet his ability to optimise resources is consistently better than a lot who have.

We won’t next year either. His budget will be one of the lowest and he’ll be expected to overachieve.

I suppose if he is 4th bottom at Christmas they’ll sack him and bring a Redknapp or the like in to save them, fritter away someone else’s cash and still fail.

He’s had a very successful career and any chance at the top level he’s had to create himself unlike many other so-called big name managers.

No malice from me. Who would you have preferred in the 07/08 season looking back? Big name Robbo or another year of Warnock?

Totally agree. Wilder first. Warnock second. The rest can go to hell.

 

[Booker4]

I really think you need to stop taking everything someone like Warnock says so seriously. He is mischievous (to some) or a wind up merchant or worse (to others) depending on whether you dislike him or not. He may have said those things, but in the past he has also said he would like the job so that he could buy a load of poor players and completely ruin them, or words of a similar nature. Did he really mean that as well, or was that just trying to get a reaction?

As for why he didn't take the job, that is pure speculation. All I know is that whenever any side he is managing beats them, he looks extremely pleased.

Aye remember the quotes about Wednesday. When he then wanted the Wednesday job he did his best to talk his way out of that. I'm sure you remember that also. You're right he is a wind up merchant and not to take him to seriously. But he did want the Wednesday job and he did speak to Portsmouth. Both of which are actions not words. We'll have to disagree here mate, but I'm actually someone who regularly sticks up for Warnock to be fair, but it doesn't mean I respect him as I say.

 

[Rodley]

I wouldn't welcome him through our doors any more than I would welcome Gary Megson or Gareth Ainsworth.

Fucking Ainsworth, are you kidding? Stop trying to controversial for controversies sake. That’s a load of bollocks.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Well if was to say the first part to the Cardiff press just after they had reached the premiership then I suppose it would look rather foolish. But then again no one is expecting him to say that. He can say whatever he likes about his current team. Doesn't bother me personally in the slightest as I'm indifferent to the bloke. But then again if I managed a team and came back the Lane, I wouldn't celebrate a last minute goal against United with as much glee as Big Blade Warnock did. Neither would I court the possibiliy of going to be the pig manager (and he would have gone there as well and only didn't cos the Serbian feared a pig fan backlash). He has never been short of an offer in the game and should never have considered it if he was such a big Blade

By all means recognise his achievement in the game. He's done well. But Blades fan or Blades legend...never. He's never been a Blade. I know I love SUFC a damned sight more than NW will ever do.

Perhaps some other armchair experts should learn to read and correctly interpret posts before they make themselves look foolish.

To be fair, we should be grateful to Warnock that he didn't join the pigs as the combination of him and Mandy would have ensured they were in the premiership whilst we were dicking around in L1. We should also be grateful to the pigs for being so antagonistic towards him that it didn't happen.

 

[LenTednTony]

Ffs! He is the Cardiff Manager.....waddya expect?

 

[Booker4]

He also said he would like to manage Wednesday for one season to get them relegated.

Yes and then did all he could to say that was just a joke - which we knew already - when the actual prospect came that he could manage Wednesday. Had it been solely up to Mandaric I believe Warnock would have managed Wednesday but the phone ins played a major part in Warnock off - according to Warnock. There are interviews on Youtube about it if you can be arsed to track them down where Warnock says he thought it was untenable - not that he didn't want the job.

 

[JPBrods]

I can't wait to see him shithousing Guardiola tbh.

 

[Bashar Al Asaba]

Fucking Ainsworth, are you kidding? Stop trying to controversial for controversies sake. That’s a load of bollocks.

I don't want those three bastards anywhere near the club I love.

Why that's shocking to you I don't know. There's no moral difference between any of them.

 

[northsomersetblade]

 

[Sithblade]

 

[Sean Thornton]

Because as the efforts to sign others had failed it was either sign some for the future then (who might be able to contribute immediately) or sign none at all? I’ve never really understood why so many have struggled to understand this, it’s hardly an uncommon approach for a manager to take. At any rate they very nearly did make an important contribution – Shelton was one competent refereeing decision away from having an immediate impact at Old Trafford for example. As has been repeated ad boreseum by me in the past, we clearly weren’t prepared to pay what was required to get in guaranteed quality, which was why Warnock was left gambling on cheaper players to come off.

Maybe you need to know more about his transfer dealings and why McCabe wouldn't give him a new contract. Something decided well before the last game.

So he spent the money for the future, his words, yet you spin it that he may have bought them to possibly change things then. Something even he's never claimed.

Who were we supposed to be buying? I've heard various players. Not one ever backed up with any proof. Rewrite history all you want. The greedy twat took his eye off the ball when twelve points clear. How many other managers have given an interview on the eve of a relegation decider that was more about his contract than the game ?

 

[Sean Thornton]

To be fair, we should be grateful to Warnock that he didn't join the pigs as the combination of him and Mandy would have ensured they were in the premiership whilst we were dicking around in L1. We should also be grateful to the pigs for being so antagonistic towards him that it didn't happen.

There's no "ensured" about that statement. It's an opinion that's all. Similar claim to "he would have taken us straight back up".


Wishful thinking and hindsight after Red Wine Robbo was appointed and sacked.


Has no validity in reality.

 

[Weasel]

Even when we were in the premiership under him, it was all about him and not SUFC as far as he was concerned. Even some of my piggy supporting pals commented on it at the time. It was the NW roadshow and it was all about him bigging up his own profile probably for future financial reward. He was more concerned about feathering his own nest - the eve of the Wigan match interview where he moaned about a lack of a new contract being a another example.

It's always been about him as far as he is concerned. He's purely a skilled management mercenary. If he gets another job and does well again - guess what, it will be the best job he's ever done...blah di blah di blah. Repeat ad infinitum. Take him with a serious pinch of salt. There's nothing sincere about the fella.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Maybe you need to know more about his transfer dealings and why McCabe wouldn't give him a new contract. Something decided well before the last game.

So he spent the money for the future, his words, yet you spin it that he may have bought them to possibly change things then. Something even he's never claimed.

Who were we supposed to be buying? I've heard various players. Not one ever backed up with any proof. Rewrite history all you want. The greedy twat took his eye off the ball when twelve points clear. How many other managers have given an interview on the eve of a relegation decider that was more about his contract than the game ?

Again, you’re seeing spin where there really is none. I didn’t say there was no explanation for the signings – that was your good self. All I wanted to show was that actually there was an explanation. It’s hardly rocket science to say Player X has been bought for the future and then throw them in for the odd game as circumstances dictate (say a broken leg to a player in the same position). What seems to be slowly being written into folklore is that somehow Warnock lost his senses that January with his transfer dealings, which I don’t think is right.

Warnock was at the club over 7 seasons. If there’s anything dodgy with the way he ran the transfer policy in that era as you seem to be suggesting then Kevin McCabe is a fully complicit party in that. My experience though is that this sort of stuff tends to surface when people seem personally offended by any praise offered Warnock’s way. I don’t particularly like the guy, and if the job becomes available next week I won’t be clamouring for his return. But I do think where the history of his time here is concerned there’s a degree of fairness often not displayed in how to judge him.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Again, you’re seeing spin where there really is none. I didn’t say there was no explanation for the signings – that was your good self. All I wanted to show was that actually there was an explanation. It’s hardly rocket science to say Player X has been bought for the future and then throw them in for the odd game as circumstances dictate (say a broken leg to a player in the same position). What seems to be slowly being written into folklore is that somehow Warnock lost his senses that January with his transfer dealings, which I don’t think is right.

Warnock was at the club over 7 seasons. If there’s anything dodgy with the way he ran the transfer policy in that era as you seem to be suggesting then Kevin McCabe is a fully complicit party in that. My experience though is that this sort of stuff tends to surface when people seem personally offended by any praise offered Warnock’s way. I don’t particularly like the guy, and if the job becomes available next week I won’t be clamouring for his return. But I do think where the history of his time here is concerned there’s a degree of fairness often not displayed in how to judge him.

He said for the future. YOU suggested another reason. As I said, something he's never said. Therefore it's purely an excuse for him.

To be complicit, you have to know.......

What do you think McCabes reason we're for not offering an acceptable contract? Not thezweek before the final game but for some time before it? That Warnock wasn't good enough? If that's the reason, he was correct, we got relegated.

I've said all this before, it's nothing to do with being offended and is nothing to do with his ongoing successes. Neither is it based on some fluffy bunny view on how good he was for us and what he'd have done if he'd stayed.

Two good seasons from what, seven? And during one of them he was chasing Pompeys shilling and the next expecting a pay rise when he'd fucked the job up.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

To be complicit, you have to know.......

So this regularly repeated regularly (almost as regularly repeated as my attempts to offer some explanation for the 2007 January transfer window) has never made its way to the Chairman? Is that plausible, particularly given it would directly concern his financial interests? McCabe might have questionable judgment where football matters are concerned, but I didn’t take him for being sloppy on the other aspects of the job.

What do you think McCabes reason we're for not offering an acceptable contract?

I think McCabe made the decision long before the season finished (perhaps even before January) that he wanted rid and wanted Robson in. He wanted a more respected figure in the game, and Robson (perhaps the most worthy of the out-of-his-depth tag) fitted the bill. The instalment of Kidd at the club was visibly an initial step to getting him out.

But as you say, it’s all been said before.

 

[Sean Thornton]

So this regularly repeated regularly (almost as regularly repeated as my attempts to offer some explanation for the 2007 January transfer window) has never made its way to the Chairman? Is that plausible, particularly given it would directly concern his financial interests? McCabe might have questionable judgment where football matters are concerned, but I didn’t take him for being sloppy on the other aspects of the job.



I think McCabe made the decision long before the season finished (perhaps even before January) that he wanted rid and wanted Robson in. He wanted a more respected figure in the game, and Robson (perhaps the most worthy of the out-of-his-depth tag) fitted the bill. The instalment of Kidd at the club was visibly an initial step to getting him out.

But as you say, it’s all been said before.

I'm saying he became aware.

Kidd had been out of the game for two years after battling prostate cancer. He started with Warnock at the beginning of the PL season.

 

[Rodley]

I don't want those three bastards anywhere near the club I love.

Why that's shocking to you I don't know. There's no moral difference between any of them.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Kidd had been out of the game for two years after battling prostate cancer. He started with Warnock at the beginning of the PL season.

Yes. An individual Warnock (very much a creature of habit) had never worked with before and since, and who by complete coincidence was good chums with Warnock’s immediate successor...