Wilders view

[Rodley]

Been saying the same thing for the past 2 months. Our form since Xmas is that of a bottom 6 team.

No it’s not. You’ve made that up.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

How do you 'cull' players on 3 year contracts on money they've never earned before? Plus established players on recently renewed contracts?

They simply will not be prepared to move away on less money just to make space for us.

We have a strong squad which needs improvement in 4 positions at most. Carefully targeted signings from a respectable budget will make us competitive for top 6, not certs but competitive.

Bear in mind Coutts and Freeman hopefully fit by next pre-season.

I think we could and will achieve it by loan signings mainly - that's where the quality is in our situation.

Reed and Long have to be considered. Thomas has qualities in his locker.

Introduce typhoid into the 'group'?

 

[Redhead]

We still have a chance of the play-offs, albeit a smaller one than we did before yesterday's game. This isn't the time to see how one of the young players stands up to first team football.

If the play-offs are mathematically impossible when we go to Bristol then maybe stick one of them on the bench then.

There's no-one in the under 23s whose performances are showing they're better than any of the first team squad to the best of my knowledge so to play any of them v PNE would be tantamount to giving up and I'd be disgusted by that.

Moot point anyway because Wilder won't do it.

I am not saying chuck them in Cooper.

I am saying there is nothing to feel disgusted about if CW feels adding any of the youngsters to the match day squad.

I understand the playoffs are still achievable but if CW is saying some of the players are out on their feet then why not add some youth.

Give me Ty Smith over Wilson or Ched all day long.
Give me Semple over Heneghan and Wright all day long.
Give me Slater or Gilmour over Caruthers and Leonard all day long.
Give me Norrington Davis over Lafferty all day long.

You clearly don’t watch the 23s unlike our head scout Mitchell. I trust his opinion before anyone’s.

If these lads are not ready then fine. Get them out on loan.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

We are taking about seasoned pro's in their mid 20's upwards, ILTRM. The ability to close a game out shouldn't be an issue for them in 90% of the games they play this season. We're not talking about defending a goal lead in a cup game at the Etihad, we're talking about defending hopeful long punts from Millwall.

It's all about learning. All of us never stop learning. Hopefully our players (and manager) have learnt that the last 30 minutes of Championship level games are where things crank up a notch. Concentration and fitness is tested to a level most of our players have never experienced before.

Certainly from a Mgt perspective Wilder and his 'whacky' substitutions or sheer lack of options from the bench need to improve next season.

If it's one takeaway from this season it's that We need to scheme for the last 30 mins of games (especially in the last 10 games of the season).

 

[oldblade]

It depends on the season, this season that is comfortable lower mid table form.

Last season, Blackburn were relegated on 51 points so if we start with 28 points from 21 matches next season we could easily be in the relegation mix.

I doubt that 28 points from the first 21 games would put any team in the relegation mix at that stage of the season.

Sides that are in the relegation mix around December/January have usually had a very poor start to the season and are getting only around a point per game or less.

Last season Blackburn had only 20 points from their first 23 games and that is why they were in the relegation mix all season. Wigan had 18 points and Rotherham had 13 points.

 

[Ihadadream]

We still have a chance of the play-offs, albeit a smaller one than we did before yesterday's game. This isn't the time to see how one of the young players stands up to first team football.

If the play-offs are mathematically impossible when we go to Bristol then maybe stick one of them on the bench then.

There's no-one in the under 23s whose performances are showing they're better than any of the first team squad to the best of my knowledge so to play any of them v PNE would be tantamount to giving up and I'd be disgusted by that.

Moot point anyway because Wilder won't do it.

I take it you’ve watched a lot of the 23’s games then

 

[Bashar Al Asaba]

How do you 'cull' players on 3 year contracts on money they've never earned before? Plus established players on recently renewed contracts?

They simply will not be prepared to move away on less money just to make space for us.

We have a strong squad which needs improvement in 4 positions at most. Carefully targeted signings from a respectable budget will make us competitive for top 6, not certs but competitive.

Bear in mind Coutts and Freeman hopefully fit by next pre-season.

I think we could and will achieve it by loan signings mainly - that's where the quality is in our situation.

Reed and Long have to be considered. Thomas has qualities in his locker.

I find the idea that Long and Reed should be considered for anything quite.....amusing.

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

No it’s not. You’ve made that up.

I think it's more mid-table as a load of other clubs have gone off the boil since Christmas (Leeds, Derby etc).

 

[finlaytheblade]

Love to see Calum Semple

Left centre back could play him and rest
O'Connell ,he is highly rated would be good move

 

[cooperblade]

You clearly don’t watch the 23s unlike our head scout Mitchell. I trust his opinion before anyone’s.

I take it you’ve watched a lot of the 23’s games then

I don't watch the U23s (only seen them once this season). I do see who Wilder picks in his first team squad every week though and that suggests that there's no-one in the U23s who he thinks is ready.

I was just taking issue with the idea that we should include Semple, Smith, or anyone else who hasn't been involved, in a match which still has a lot of importance. Some people seem to think it's the first round of the league cup or something.

Give me Ty Smith over Wilson or Ched all day long.
Give me Semple over Heneghan and Wright all day long.
Give me Slater or Gilmour over Caruthers and Leonard all day long.
Give me Norrington Davis over Lafferty all day long.

Like I said, I haven't seen the U23s but if we were playing a match that my life depended on, I'd be pretty confident I was doing the right thing if I only selected players (with the exception of Heneghan) from the right hand side of your list. There's no way that at this moment in time, the academy players would be better suited to a Championship football game than the more established professionals.

 

[Woodwardfan]

From November to February my big concern was we looked terrible. No spark, just a run of the mill side. To be fair we've played really well a few times since then and not taken our chances/defended like idiots. I don't think how we play needs to change but it only works when the players fully buy in.

But I do think we need a GK, CB, LWB and 2 CFs at least in the summer. Also 2 quality loan signings. We can't expect to get as much out of all our current


The 30+ players next year

Just the 7 new signings then

 

[Woodwardfan]

I find the idea that Long and Reed should be considered for anything quite.....amusing.

Consult Redhead then. He may the right to a view, not sure you have Bashar.

Reed and Long are young in their respective positions but have so many league first team games under their belts for their age.

Anybody has to respect rather than laugh in amusement at that. Seasoned first teamers now.

 

[Bashar Al Asaba]

Consult Redhead then. He may the right to a view, not sure you have Bashar.

Reed and Long are young in their respective positions but have so many league first team games under their belts for their age.

Anybody has to respect rather than laugh in amusement at that. Seasoned first teamers now.

"Seasoned first teamers" indeed. One at a club fighting to avoid the 4th division and the other at a club all but relegated to non-league......

.........And Sheffield United should be 'considering' them........

I was being generous when I said it was amusing. It's positively laughable.

 

[Eric Cartman]

Left centre back could play him and rest
O'Connell ,he is highly rated would be good move

He’s out on loan I think.

 

[finlaytheblade]

He’s out on loan I think.

Semple has been playing for the 23 s he is available

 

[Carlton Blade]

Just the 7 new signings then

Are you expecting every player from this year's squad to stay?

 

[Eric Cartman]

Semple has been playing for the 23 s he is available

I thought he went to Scandinavia with Hallam?

 

[Woodwardfan]

"Seasoned first teamers" indeed. One at a club fighting to avoid the 4th division and the other at a club all but relegated to non-league......

.........And Sheffield United should be 'considering' them........

I was being generous when I said it was amusing. It's positively laughable.

We were in League 1 actually. Laugh out loud.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Consult Redhead then. He may the right to a view, not sure you have Bashar.

Reed and Long are young in their respective positions but have so many league first team games under their belts for their age.

Anybody has to respect rather than laugh in amusement at that. Seasoned first teamers now.

Again it's the sharp paradox. If both/either Long & Reed weren't on our books, people would be suggesting them as potential sensible signings of youngish players for the future.

 

[Bashar Al Asaba]

We were in League 1 actually. Laugh out loud.

And now we are not, do keep up.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Again it's the sharp paradox. If both/either Long & Reed weren't on our books, people would be suggesting them as potential sensible signings of youngish players for the future.

I'm not sure about Long actually but he is highly rated by Wimbledon fans this season, week in week out. Moore looks edgy to me . Blackman different class though.

As for Reed. If he's not now better than Evans, Lundstram and Leonard, I'd be amazed.

Come to think, Whiteman would have done at least as well as the new signings since January and better than Lundstram too.

We have aimed too low and been guilty of not seeing what we already had.

Mitchell has a fair bit to do this summer.

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

And now we are not, do keep up.

It’s ... a ... SHARK ATTACK !

 

[Redhead]

I thought he went to Scandinavia with Hallam?

Semple had only played one full 90 minutes when asked to go to Norway.

Both United and Viking were worried about his injury and his rehab. So United asked for him back to make sure they were in control of his rehab.

Just came too soon for Semple but Hallam doing really well.

 

[Redhead]

I don't watch the U23s (only seen them once this season). I do see who Wilder picks in his first team squad every week though and that suggests that there's no-one in the U23s who he thinks is ready.

I was just taking issue with the idea that we should include Semple, Smith, or anyone else who hasn't been involved, in a match which still has a lot of importance. Some people seem to think it's the first round of the league cup or something.



Like I said, I haven't seen the U23s but if we were playing a match that my life depended on, I'd be pretty confident I was doing the right thing if I only selected players (with the exception of Heneghan) from the right hand side of your list. There's no way that at this moment in time, the academy players would be better suited to a Championship football game than the more established professionals.

I understand your point Cooper.

Having watched the 23s I would have Semple, Slater, Gilmour and Smith ahead of Ched, Wilson, Heneghan, Caruthers every day of the week.

The down side of this is that the youngsters are trying to dislodge CW signings. So it isn’t really going to happen.

 

[Eric Cartman]

I understand your point Cooper.

Having watched the 23s I would have Semple, Slater, Gilmour and Smith ahead of Ched, Wilson, Heneghan, Caruthers every day of the week.

The down side of this is that the youngsters are trying to dislodge CW signings. So it isn’t really going to happen.

It ought to. Frankly, CW's January signings have been shit bar Evans.
The other Evans was, as expected, a disaster.

Smith should be ahead of Wilson, Evans and now Donaldson in the pecking order.

 

[finlaytheblade]

I thought he went to Scandinavia with Hallam?

He came back Hallam stayed

 

[Bladesthorpe]

Again it's the sharp paradox. If both/either Long & Reed weren't on our books, people would be suggesting them as potential sensible signings of youngish players for the future.

There's one here that wouldn't.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

There's one here that wouldn't.

I get that impression.

I wasn't suggesting we built a promotion push on them, but if having Blackman & Moore on the books next season is financially not possible or not practical, i'd happily let Moore leave, and have Blackman as No. 1 with Long as No. 2, with less rotation. Also, regarding Reed, he's only 20, he's played 100 games already and in my opinion it's no great gamble to keep him for another coupe of years and see how he develops. I think both players have suffered by us over playing them, but I fully understand the counter view.

 

[raul]

I'm not sure about Long actually but he is highly rated by Wimbledon fans this season, week in week out. Moore looks edgy to me . Blackman different class though.

As for Reed. If he's not now better than Evans, Lundstram and Leonard, I'd be amazed.

Come to think, Whiteman would have done at least as well as the new signings since January and better than Lundstram too.

We have aimed too low and been guilty of not seeing what we already had.

Mitchell has a fair bit to do this summer.

Must be quite a player then.

https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/lundstram.60684/

 

[Woodwardfan]

Must be quite a player then.

https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/lundstram.60684/

I am, if nothing else, an optimist and a supporter, yes a SUPPORTER, of our manager, players and fans all the time.

When certain managers and players are under fire I stick up for them if I can see any ability or strengths.

In my time I stuck up for Baxter obly to be let down. On the other hand I stuck up for Doyle, Quinn, Clarke and others until tne tide turned.

I stuck up for Adkins, Clough, Adams as managers when othets were baying for blood. Only when I have seen enough to make my mind up, did I offer a studied opinion. I am doing the same with L.Evans, Leonard, Lundstram and Holmes. By now Lundstram does worry me but he must be a big personality.

As regards Lundstram I will give him much more time BUT I really do rate Reed very highly and I'm way beyond that honeymoon period. The lad is quality even after I first saw him 4 years ago.

Great research though, but I am a clapper for long enough before I become a slasher. Perhaps others should be the same.

I have not written off any of those nrw players but my recent comments were very much in the context of this past few months since January and only after we'd blown this big push for promotion.