No more Moore!

[Sean Thornton]

So our drop in form is now solely Moores fault?

So it's now been blamed on him AND Jamal, Coutts injury, not playing Jake Wright, Stearman, Clarke, not playing Brooks, and all the January signings being useless - aka Wilder.

It's a broad church on here.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

No, it was the idiot ref. - Simpson - that denied us his services.

You’re right, that’s why the club took the decision to immediately appeal the sending off and this was subsequently rescinded...

Again, he had no good reason to do it and can have no complaints. At least on the Fleck sending off (again, despite protests, the correct decision) he could at least claim it was an honest albeit ill-judged attempt to get the ball – Blackman didn’t have that.

For what it’s worth I hope Blackman comes back in after tonight. A reason I was so annoyed he needlessly got himself sent off was that I thought we might miss him. We have.

 

[I should coco]

It's a broad church on here.

With apologies to our regular music correspondent Roygbiv :

 

[Lane Ender]

After the time on the line I thought there was improvement
Now he’s got me questioning again.

 

[More Bladier than thou]

I dont think either keepers are quite good enough, we’ve been lacking in that department for a long time now.

 

[mosbolad]

Check the stats for how many games we've lost with Moore. His loss percentage is higher than Blackman by far.

Not saying he has made noticeable errors in all the games but the defence play better with Blackman behind them.

The loss of Coutts seemed to be a turning point.

If we are just talking about the defence then goals conceded are a basic measure.

If we throw Coutts into the equation you will find that in games after his injury Moore (1.29) has conceded fewer goals per game than Blackman (1.33).

So.......After the loss of Coutts the defence play better with Moore...........

STATS eh.....

Wilder from the Star yesterday...

“It’s now Simon’s jersey to lose,” Wilder confirmed. “It was a tough decision on Mooro, when we brought Jamal straight back in previously, but I felt that was justified.”

Read more at: https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foo...oalkeepers-are-set-to-battle-it-out-1-9106080

 

[FinchleyBlade]

Not been convinced by Moore since he signed, he is a decent keeper but there are too many mistakes in him.

Blackman has turned into the superior keeper over the season.

 

[Balham]

The loss of Coutts seemed to be a turning point.

If we are just talking about the defence then goals conceded are a basic measure.

If we throw Coutts into the equation you will find that in games after his injury Moore (1.29) has conceded fewer goals per game than Blackman (1.33).

So.......After the loss of Coutts the defence play better with Moore...........

STATS eh.....

Wilder from the Star yesterday...

“It’s now Simon’s jersey to lose,” Wilder confirmed. “It was a tough decision on Mooro, when we brought Jamal straight back in previously, but I felt that was justified.”

Read more at: https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foo...oalkeepers-are-set-to-battle-it-out-1-9106080

Stats, eh...

We may conceded more with Blackman in goal but we're also more likely to win and less likely to lose. Strip out the two games against Fulham as outliers and Blackman's returns are even better but the single biggest contributing factor to all of this is the loss of Paul Coutts.

 

[NuddysGloves]

The loss of Coutts seemed to be a turning point.

If we are just talking about the defence then goals conceded are a basic measure.

If we throw Coutts into the equation you will find that in games after his injury Moore (1.29) has conceded fewer goals per game than Blackman (1.33).

So.......After the loss of Coutts the defence play better with Moore...........

STATS eh.....

Wilder from the Star yesterday...

“It’s now Simon’s jersey to lose,” Wilder confirmed. “It was a tough decision on Mooro, when we brought Jamal straight back in previously, but I felt that was justified.”

Read more at: https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foo...oalkeepers-are-set-to-battle-it-out-1-9106080

Now I love Chris Wilder, and I really hope people on here don't shoot me down for slating him here.........but Mooro?? Really Chris? Shit nickname that pal. It doesn't even shorten his name!!! Wilder out.

 

[blade too long]

It's a broad church on here.

Well. its a broad list of scapegoats

 

[Sean Thornton]

Well. its a broad list of scapegoats

The most popular beast reared on here BTL!

 

[blade too long]

..
We may conceded more with Blackman in goal but we're also more likely to win and less likely to lose. Strip out the two games against Fulham as outliers and Blackman's returns are even better but the single biggest contributing factor to all of this is the loss of Paul Coutts.
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Coutts is shit in goal

 

[Sean Thornton]

Now I love Chris Wilder, and I really hope people on here don't shoot me down for slating him here.........but Mooro?? Really Chris? Shit nickname that pal. It doesn't even shorten his name!!! Wilder out.

At last, serious stuff, not all this he doesn't know what he's doing not playing Billy frivolity....

 

[NuddysGloves]

At last, serious stuff, not all this he doesn't know what he's doing not playing Billy frivolity....

Sounds like a new signing to me.......Leon Clarke and Billy Frivolity up front next season?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Sounds like a new signing to me.......Leon Clarke and Billy Frivolity up front next season?

Jesus!

Someone nip round to DronnieBlade s house in case he's seen that and needs assistance.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

There seems to be some sort of conspiracy that there needs to be a scapegoat - I suppose if someone says some thing often enough then enough will believe it.

There isn't - it's just about what we need to do to get out of this division, but Moore needs to learn from his error for goal no 2. It's a shame that some want to see him as the latest scapegoat.

Also - who ever was guilty of not being on the 18 yard line when they scored the 1st wants shooting - it was that particular moment that killed our momentum in the first half. We were doing ok up to that point after a spirited first 5 minutes from the dingles.

The guilty party may have been Evans - perhaps that was the reason why CW pulled him off 1st half. That first goal - when it came and how it came was the primary cause for when we eventually lost, not Moores clanger - he still should have done better with it though as it completely handled the momentum back to Barnsley. Barnsley have been and were on Saturday, a poor team. We should be asking why we lost and how not to lose to a shit team. My missus said RS said it should have been a cricket score.....why wasn't it.



UTB

 

[The Crab]

The guilty party may have been Evans - perhaps that was the reason why CW pulled him off 1st half.



UTB

Wow, we used to just get an Orange........................

 

[blade too long]

from reading these threads we are falling just short maybe , even though its over yet quite , because of in no particular order Moore Donaldson ,Lundstram , Basham ,Wilson, Leon for having a lean spell. Leonard , Holmes Lafferty , Ched Carruthers and occasionally Baldock , and Sharps off days

so its no one in particular

 

[NuddysGloves]

from reading these threads we are falling just short maybe , even though its over yet quite , because of in no particular order Moore Donaldson ,Lundstram , Basham ,Wilson, Leon for having a lean spell. Leonard , Holmes Lafferty , Ched Carruthers and occasionally Baldock , and Sharps off days

so its no one in particular

And the fans, don't forget us for being rubbish!!!

 

[Fulwood Blade]

from reading these threads we are falling just short maybe , even though its over yet quite , because of in no particular order Moore Donaldson ,Lundstram , Basham ,Wilson, Leon for having a lean spell. Leonard , Holmes Lafferty , Ched Carruthers and occasionally Baldock , and Sharps off days

so its no one in particular

you are right - it isn't one particular individual - it's a combination of factors. We ain't got a barrel of money is the reason but it's very disappointing that we should have beaten Cardiff and Barnsley recently caused by preventable actions.

UTB

 

[Silent Blade]

Also - who ever was guilty of not being on the 18 yard line when they scored the 1st wants shooting - it was that particular moment that killed our momentum in the first half. We were doing ok up to that point after a spirited first 5 minutes from the dingles.

The guilty party may have been Evans - perhaps that was the reason why CW pulled him off 1st half.

Evans was 10 yards away from the corner when Moncur (I think) took the corner as if he was trying to avoid them from taking a short corner (you can see him in the highlights), not sure if he was playing against the instructions

 

[Steve Mackan]

Stats, eh...

We may conceded more with Blackman in goal but we're also more likely to win and less likely to lose. Strip out the two games against Fulham as outliers and Blackman's returns are even better but the single biggest contributing factor to all of this is the loss of Paul Coutts.

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I think the keeper is the most important position on the pitch. People can over-attribute consequence to stats, but I think it's cut and dry with a keeper. Blackman is better in almost every department. The main concern for me for tonight is that Middlesborough are a tall team and Moore does not come for crosses like Blackman does - makes a huge a difference.

The Coutts stat is slightly different though. It's not necessarily the lack of Coutts that has cost us, but the blooding of players like Lundstram before they were quite ready and the knock-on effect that has through the team. Young players are often more inconsistent and that tells in the results.

Investment is the real reason that we will likely just miss the playoffs.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

Where did I say what percentage we pay for Blackmans wages ?

You didn't. You said "He isn't ours Chelsea pay his wages."
What evidence have you that we don't pay him?

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Evans was 10 yards away from the corner when Moncur (I think) took the corner as if he was trying to avoid them from taking a short corner (you can see him in the highlights), not sure if he was playing against the instructions

It will be interesting tonight as to who sits on the 18 yard line - just before the kid shot from 20 yards 2 of our players are trying to close him down but have either switched off or neither of them had the task in the first place. it may have been Evans but as you said, if he was near the corner then someone else should have realised. Perhaps without Stearman as organiser, that too counted against us. What disappointed me being right behind the goal, half way up, it was it was just an open invitation to shoot as there was zero pressure on him. Nice strike tbf, but preventable.

UTB

 

[Silent Blade]

It will be interesting tonight as to who sits on the 18 yard line - just before the kid shot from 20 yards 2 of our players are trying to close him down but have either switched off or neither of them had the task in the first place. it may have been Evans but as you said, if he was near the corner then someone else should have realised. Perhaps without Stearman as organiser, that too counted against us. What disappointed me being right behind the goal, half way up, it was it was just an open invitation to shoot as there was zero pressure on him. Nice strike tbf, but preventable.

UTB

Maybe Evans was supposed to be there but decided to prevent Barnsley from taking the short corner again?

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Maybe Evans was supposed to be there but decided to prevent Barnsley from taking the short corner again?

Quite possibly - but this is where you need switched on players and a number of leaders on the pitch. For me, it's the reason why we lost on Saturday - a stupid goal, gifted to the opposition just as we were taking over the game. We can look all day long at Morre and goal 2 - but just like Cardiff, the game should have been over and done with long before.

It's a recurring feature for me - we don't seem to be making teams work for their goals.

UTB

 

[mosbolad]

Stats, eh...

We may conceded more with Blackman in goal but we're also more likely to win and less likely to lose. Strip out the two games against Fulham as outliers and Blackman's returns are even better but the single biggest contributing factor to all of this is the loss of Paul Coutts.

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'We may concede more goals with Blackman in goal but'........
Maybe we should play a keeper who concedes even more goals with a view to winning more points.....

I've given you a like for effort Balham but could you just run it by me again about conveniently 'stripping out the two games against Fulham' where Blackman conceded 8?

By the way....I think Blackman is decent and I also think Moore is decent too. If you were to take it to the N'th degree the stats would include the position of the shot and the expected goals xG scored saved ratio.

The Expected Saves model
Like an expected goals model, an expected saves model is a conditional probability model. It seeks to answer the question, “Given a collection of parameters that describes a shot on goal, what is the probability that the shot is saved by the goalkeeper?”

Let’s say that x represents this collection of parameters (the parameter vector), and S the save event. Then we can write this conditional probability model as

Pr(S|x)=f(β,x)
where β represents the model coefficients associated with the shot parameters.

A save is a binary event with probability of success between 0 and 1, so we describe it with a logistic function. The resulting model is

Pr(G|x)=11+e−βTx

I've quickly run this through for both Moore and Blackman.......

 

[Grappler]

Putting the blame on Moore is a bit harsh. We have to close people down quicker, like teams do to us, they had three chances and scored three.

And the first one was yet another "worldie", which we very rarely do. When I was at school, we were taught that leaning back as you kick, lifts the ball higher, but getting your body over the ball as you kick, keeps it low. I assume that our team know this, because the number of times we kick it over the bar, I have to wonder?

 

[Balham]

'We may concede more goals with Blackman in goal but'........
Maybe we should play a keeper who concedes even more goals with a view to winning more points.....

I've given you a like for effort Balham but could you just run it by me again about conveniently 'stripping out the two games against Fulham' where Blackman conceded 8?

My thinking there was mainly that half of the goals Blackman has conceded since the Coutts injury came in those two games against Fulham, the first of which (when we conceded 5) was our first game since that injury. Therefore, while Blackman's stats look worse on first viewing the simple solution is to play him against everyone except Fulham

 

[blade too long]

And the fans, don't forget us for being rubbish!!!

thats a gimme