Paddy Kenny - drugs test

[Linz]

Let's not get too wound up by our sibling-shagging neighbours. That might be what they're after and their webmasters might be all high-sixing each other as we write.

Yes... but as the official site, they would not be allowed to stoop to the childish levels we are more than capable of for risk of losing their jobs

Barnsley's employment figures could halve :lol:

 

[Billyblade]

Yes... but as the official site, they would not be allowed to stoop to the childish levels we are more than capable of for risk of losing their jobs

Barnsley's employment figures could halve :lol:

Alright then,
Simon Davey, the manager of local rivals Barnsley has just had a shit. It is already pushing for a first team place and has been given the No.2 (geddit?)shirt for the coming season.He said of the turd "He's been flying in training and puts so much effort in you can see the steam coming off him".

The Barnsley fans have already got a chant for him so it looks like he's going to be a favourite. It goes "You're shit and you know you are".

His Dad, Bob, said "It has always been his dream to play football and we are pleased he has secured a place with Barnsley where he should fit right in because he is surrounded by shit, week in, week out".

 

[Linz]

Alright then...

See, doesn't that feel better BB

 

[tat]

STOP SITTING ON THE FENCE. this is a blades forum for gods sake.

 

[Billyblade]

See, doesn't that feel better BB

Much better. I miss being a child.

 

[Autumn]

I still think it might be the medicine if this story is true, I have a boxer friend who used a certain cough medicine and then failed a test, he was gutted, but could prove it...he wasn't mainstream or major league, so who knows what will happen here....just hope it gets sorted swiftly, as neither the club nor kenny need this type of hype surrounding them.

 

[Warnock=God]

This does not look one bit good at all

 

[Linz]

This does not look one bit good at all

It doesn't look good, but if it is cold/flu/asthma medicine, then at worst, it's bloody stupid.

The only rules he's broken are the ones of the game. You or I could walk into Boots today and answering a cursory "are you taking anything containing paracetamol?" question, walk away with the very same drugs.

It evidently doesn't help matters when it comes to suspensions, but in my eyes, it's a damn sight better than breaking the law and taking E/crack/LSD, no matter what the view of the FA is.

One you take to make you feel better better because you're a bit snuffly. The other you take because you're an idiot.

 

[matth]

I can't see how it's at all defensible.

In one scenario, he has taken performance enhancing drugs with a view to gain an unfair advantage.

In a second scenario, he has ignored the advice of the club and taken a medication that he should have known would lead to a false positive in a drugs test, and that would very likely lead to legal trouble.

I can't see how either of these can be defended. If guilty of the former, he's an idiot and a cheat, and should be banned for life. If guilty of the latter, his professional conduct has to be brought into question, as does whether he is a viable asset for the club to keep hold of. He's brought not only himself but the club into disrepute, and all for nothing. I've no sympathy for him at all. There's daft, and then there's dangerously reckless.

 

[dutchblade]

Well, already in Dutch press as well........., wonderful advertisement for sufc

 

[Linz]

I can't see how it's at all defensible.

Well it isn't and as a strict liability offence, it isn't... but in my eyes, taking cough medicine is not a hanging and flogging offence.

It's stupid to do so when you're a footballer and should know better, especially when you're letting your club and however many thousands of fans down.

I'd just feel a lot more morally outraged were it an illegal drug he was found guilty of taking.

 

[Samantha]

Just makes you wonder why he just didn't see the club doctor/fitness/physio - after all that's what they're there for!!

Sure it'll all come out soon

 

[dj_uk_1234]

Nothing to worry about i'd imagine.

It will only be for swine flu

 

[HoodedClaw]

Well it isn't and as a strict liability offence, it isn't... but in my eyes, taking cough medicine is not a hanging and flogging offence.

It's stupid to do so when you're a footballer and should know better, especially when you're letting your club and however many thousands of fans down.

I'd just feel a lot more morally outraged were it an illegal drug he was found guilty of taking.

Totally agree with you Linz, he may be stupid but if they fuck him over with a 2 year ban while Mutu got 7 months for his white lines (and still picked up his £50K+/week) I may be moved to write to the FA to inform them what a buch of twats they are.

I can go and get a 2 year ban for medicinal drugs (Cough Mixture) in my system but I only get a warning or a max 6 month ban for being fucked off my box on so called "social drugs" WTF!?!?!?

Which one is illegal, Night Nurse or Crack Cocaine? If you took the FA's view it looks like its Night Nurse thats illegal.

 

[SwissBlade]

The Paddy situation leaves a dilemma for us Blades.... I know the West Ham fans (and any other anti Blades) will jump on this one.

We (SUFC) went on for almost two years about how the FA/ Courts/ West Ham/FIFA/ UEFA/ PL should do the right thing and punish West Ham appropriately so whats different now? For two years we were whiter than white and the reason that everyone is now jumping on us is because it looks like we've cocked up and they've all been waiting for this moment. Martin 'Fat' Samuel will be loving it and sharpening his knife to twist as we speak, whilst dreaming of another award for sports Journalism (the tw*t).

Whatever happens with Paddy we have to take the punishment on the chin and accept it.

If he gets a 2 year ban, then as long he has been found to have broken the rules them then thats what he gets.

After that we can question the severity of it and how we ourselves should handle Paddy.

Personally, I feel for the guy, it sounds (from what I've read) like it was a genuine, but completely stupid mistake. Perhaps we need to look at our own internal systems of how players get medication etc but we need to ensure that nothing like this happens again.

We're a very proud club and are not cheats, the fact that Paddy could have broken some rule with cough medicine is in itself ludicrous, but still the rules are there.

Fortunately we have a very astute management team and as we found in the Hume situation the club rarely makes statements or comments unless absolutely necessary. The media and the vultures can have their moment of glory, but we have a good management team that will no doubt sort this with limited fall out.

I'll say it again...Bloody Paddy!!!

 

[Greg]

It is stupid though. If normal people are allowed to buy this cough medicine over the counter in order to aid a persons cold/cough/flu etc. then I really can't see why footballers aren't allowed to. Even if it does contain a certain substance that is supposedly 'illegal'. If it contains a performance enhancing substance, then it shouldn't be available to purchase over the counter. That's my view.

 

[matth]

If you think about it, a footballer could take ephedrine to enhance his performance and then, when caught, say that they'd just taken cough medicine. That's why they can't do it. It's not stupid at all.

Nor is there a disparity between a player taking a performance enhancing drug getting a more severe punishment from the governing body than one who takes illegal social drugs. The FA are there to ensure that the rules that govern the sport are followed, and one of these is that players do not gain an advantage by taking performance enhancing substances. Cocaine will not enhance your performance. Taking it is illegal, but this is a criminal act and therefore it should be the judicial system that administers the main punishment, not the FA.

Personally I think they should both be sackable offences, as one is blatant cheating and the other shows that you don't care enough to keep your body in tip-top condition. But the punishments are for the governing bodies to decide, not us. If wrongdoing is suspected and provable - i.e. the taking of controlled substances - the guilty parties will be punished accordingly by the criminal justice system, and their punishment at the hands of the sport's governing body will reflect this.

 

[La_Blade]

The Paddy situation leaves a dilemma for us Blades.... I know the West Ham fans (and any other anti Blades) will jump on this one.

We (SUFC) went on for almost two years about how the FA/ Courts/ West Ham/FIFA/ UEFA/ PL should do the right thing and punish West Ham appropriately so whats different now? For two years we were whiter than white and the reason that everyone is now jumping on us is because it looks like we've cocked up and they've all been waiting for this moment. Martin 'Fat' Samuel will be loving it and sharpening his knife to twist as we speak, whilst dreaming of another award for sports Journalism (the tw*t).

Whatever happens with Paddy we have to take the punishment on the chin and accept it.

If he gets a 2 year ban, then as long he has been found to have broken the rules them then thats what he gets.

After that we can question the severity of it and how we ourselves should handle Paddy.

Personally, I feel for the guy, it sounds (from what I've read) like it was a genuine, but completely stupid mistake. Perhaps we need to look at our own internal systems of how players get medication etc but we need to ensure that nothing like this happens again.

We're a very proud club and are not cheats, the fact that Paddy could have broken some rule with cough medicine is in itself ludicrous, but still the rules are there.

Fortunately we have a very astute management team and as we found in the Hume situation the club rarely makes statements or comments unless absolutely necessary. The media and the vultures can have their moment of glory, but we have a good management team that will no doubt sort this with limited fall out.

I'll say it again...Bloody Paddy!!!

What Swissblade said, but if he does end up with a 2 year ban then surely his contract has to be terminated. I don't want that to happen, but what other course of action is there to take if he is guilty?

 

[ThatJa]

Im gonna be as honsest as possible..

Theres no way, in this day & age that he can get a 2 year ban for a "cough" mixture.. Mutu only got 7 months for taking flipping cocaine.. whats worse, a cough mixture or cocaine. If the FA say 2 years.. then they hate us. Simple as that really.

 

[rachyblade]

I aint bothered what the fans say about us included a certain PNE fan who thought they were all doped up at half time at deepvale cos we were the better team in the 2nd half - think he will find it was tactical changes and us being the better team that changed the shape of the game. (People should be careful what they accuse others of especially with no evidence)

What bothers me is that we will now probably need a new keeper. And this could put all other possible transfers such as Evans, Smith, McIndoe on hold.

 

[S64 Blade]

It's been well broadcast anyway. My nanan asked me what i thought about it earlier!!!

 

[Come from away]

It seems to me a drug testing agency can tell the difference between the residual from a couple of cough tablets and a good dose of the drug. Most athletes who get caught claim the cough mixture route. Testing is simply more refined than we think. He should get what he deserves, light or hard. He earns a lot of cash not to be this stupid.

 

[Kev Gee]

It seems to me a drug testing agency can tell the difference between the residual from a couple of cough tablets and a good dose of the drug. Most athletes who get caught claim the cough mixture route. Testing is simply more refined than we think. He should get what he deserves, light or hard. He earns a lot of cash not to be this stupid.

Agreed. The testers will know from how much of the drug is in his system, to know if he's taken a flu remedy or something more stronger.
I had a drug & alcohol test last week on my Railway course & believe me, if you've been doing anything dodgy, they will find you out.
For instance one story i heard was that a lad got his missus to provide a sample, then to be told that he was up the duff. :lol:

 

[Come from away]

Also the FA do not care about his motives just whether he was above the limit. I like Kenny as a player and Neil Warnock but the FA do not care whether he is daft or smart, meant to cheat or not. We can hope he barely made the minimun, that he still has a receipt from the chemist, that they will care he's a little daft, and there's no fall out from all our previous legal activity; we can hope. But the smart money says start looking for your next GK.

 

[KL Blade]

I don't mean to jump to conclusions but for a professional athlete, there can be no excuses for returning positive results for both samples. I don't understand why he's only being suspended for now? Instead, his contract should be immediately terminated, he should be heavily fined and I don't care if he's banned for life! What it means is that he's a fucking cheat and a disgrace to the club and the professional game.

And yes, flu/cough/asthma medicines are commonly used by athletes who are stupid enough to think that these medicines can work well as masking agents for banned substances.

 

[yuley82]

eiphogen (excuse the spelling) is a well known drug used in fat burning tablets what you can buy legally but more stronger ones illegally, i'm not sayin thats whats he's done at all just thought i'd mention it!!!!!

 

[Thelooneytuner]

I don't mean to jump to conclusions but for a professional athlete, there can be no excuses for returning positive results for both samples. I don't understand why he's only being suspended for now? Instead, his contract should be immediately terminated, he should be heavily fined and I don't care if he's banned for life! What it means is that he's a fucking cheat and a disgrace to the club and the professional game.

And yes, flu/cough/asthma medicines are commonly used by athletes who are stupid enough to think that these medicines can work well as masking agents for banned substances.

I think that's a little harsh IMO I've met paddy on a few occasions in the pub at anston where my ex collegue lives. From what I have observed/heard he seems a genuine bloke and just seems to be a bit daft if that's the right terminology. I think this seems to be a case of him thinking he knows best. If it is it's just a case of him bucking up his ideas, if not then he deserves a high punishment... We will see and hopefully soon..

 

[Greg]

I do think the punishment of two years is a little harsh, but he does deserved to get punished. I was a little frustrated at the news at first, but now I've got over that little phase, I've come to the conclusion that he deserves whicher punishment he gets, whether that be a 6-month-ban or a 2-year-ban. Professionals who are on the amount of wages that Paddy finds himself on should have more sense than to not check the substances in a certain medicine that he's bought over the counter in some chemist, if this is to be the case.

As others have said though, I'm sure the drug testing agency will know there stuff, and they'll have a limit on the amount of a certain substance that is allowed in a legal drug, for cough medicines etc. (I'd assume this anyway - correct me if I'm wrong), and obviously, Paddy has gone over the limit, and ought to be punished for it.

 

[ThatJa]

I still think the football rules are ridicolous, not allowed to treat your coughs, wtf? just that says it all for me.

 

[Linz]

I still think the football rules are ridicolous, not allowed to treat your coughs, wtf? just that says it all for me.

You are... just not with things that can be masked or used as an ingredient for worse things.

He was stupid. He deserves a ban. And I don't think he should get paid for the time he's not playing for the club. Chelsea successfully sued for the remainder of Mutu's contract from the player himself.

But I'd be more disappointed it if were illegal drugs.