With no money, how long does Wilder stay?

[Champagneblade]

I take it you think Wilder is nieve and thick?

Don't sit on the fence!

I don't think he is thick at all.

I do think he ventures into the idealistic and away from the pragmatic at times. I'm not sure I would have it any other way, but it probably costs us more points at a higher level when the margins between defeat and victory are so narrow.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

If, as looks likely, there's no significant investment available, can't see Wilder staying that long.
We're at a crossroads, he's plainly ambitious, he's secured his legendary status here and very few would begrudge him leaving.
Maybe he'll work the ultimate managerial miracle on a shoestring but we're currently treading water.
It would be say to see him go but if he isn't going to get reasonable backing, he doesn't owe us - and particularly the board he's worked wonders for - anything.

Think Alan Biggs in the Sheffield Telegraph had you in mind when compiling his last article.

UTB & FTP

 

[finlaytheblade]

Don't sit on the fence!

I don't think he is thick at all.

I do think he ventures into the idealistic and away from the pragmatic at times. I'm not sure I would have it any other way, but it probably costs us more points at a higher level when the margins between defeat and victory are so narrow.

That's more like it can understand your reasoning there

 

[super_pig]

If, as looks likely, there's no significant investment available, can't see Wilder staying that long.
We're at a crossroads, he's plainly ambitious, he's secured his legendary status here and very few would begrudge him leaving.
Maybe he'll work the ultimate managerial miracle on a shoestring but we're currently treading water.
It would be say to see him go but if he isn't going to get reasonable backing, he doesn't owe us - and particularly the board he's worked wonders for - anything.

‘we’re treading water’?
you were around last season right??

 

[Harry's Game]

If, as looks likely, there's no significant investment available, can't see Wilder staying that long.
We're at a crossroads, he's plainly ambitious, he's secured his legendary status here and very few would begrudge him leaving.
Maybe he'll work the ultimate managerial miracle on a shoestring but we're currently treading water.
It would be say to see him go but if he isn't going to get reasonable backing, he doesn't owe us - and particularly the board he's worked wonders for - anything.

Hello Brian, what time you ringing Football Heaven tonight then?

 

[Pinchy]

Wilder will be gone by lunchtime today

...to the sandwich shop.

 

[Pinchy]

Not about money etc it’s about progression. We’ve had a miracle this season. Hardly any money spent top 7.

Villa spent MILLIONS there giving Bruce a chance to get back up where as we are saying come on Chris pull a worldie off.

Imagine if you have CW those Villa players! They would have already won the league.

Villa have MILLIONS of Premiership parachute money. There is no comparison.

Chuckuvvapeeplesmunnyatit.

 

[alcoblade]

Why?

PM’d you.

 

[Nade]

Why can't we have a nice straight forward bloke like the one at S6. He sets up taxi firms for the fans and buys the players they want like Fletcher and Rhodes. He's just got them a lovely young lass as CEO to help with the day to day running of the club and they also have their own special Wednesday Pale Ale. Things are looking good in S6 so I'm actually thinking of supporting them for a while.

Me too!

 

[Pedro's Winger]

How much is 'enough' ?

Feel free to provide firm proof to back up everything that you are saying and I might start to believe that you are on to something.

Forgive my french but it fucks me off to another level completely, that we going above and beyond the expectations of not only our fans, but fans who and down the country who let's not forget wrote us of before a ball was even kicked....Yet despite this being a pretty euphoric moment in our recent history after some pretty shitty times, it just isn't enough for some.

Now forgive me for living in the world of reality here but I couldn't give a flying toss whether our next signing costs 2 million or 2 hundred thousand as long as he brings something to the table which takes us forwards!. Which part of our recent successes bring grounds for concern? We have the leagues leading goalscorer who we purchased on a pittance... We have one of the leagues finest midfielders with the most assists, again picked up on a pittance.......Now Big Clayts is banging them in, oh did I mention that we picked him up on a pittance?......

This isn't aimed directly at you but at all the winging gits who if I am honest, I feel are ruining some of my most positive days as a Blades supporter. I've followed them through thick and thin for years on end and right now is up there with the best of them!...On a Saturday I leap out of bed and I am shit, showered and shaved before my alarm has gone off. I don't want to stand in the pub or in the stands, close to some numpty slating the ambition of the club or trying to implant negative bullshit into my head. I want to go into the ground and hopefully see another scalp of a club who's fans told us that we would be relegated by Christmas!.....If indeed anything untowards is going on then I am sure I will here about it at some point when actual facts are released, until then I couldn't care less.

20th lowest wage bill in the league is it?....One of the least valuable squads in the league in regards to fees paid?....Not doing to bad really are we all things considered?....We need some improvement yes but I am more than happy to leave it to the bloke who has rarely put a foot wrong so far personally.

#UTB

All of which is why Wilder's status here is assured.
But it doesn't have anything to do with Wilder's future and what he wants to do with his career.
Maybe all he wants to do as a manager is manage United and carry on picking up players for a pittance and see what he can do.
He certainly won't be going this season but he wouldn't be human if he didn't think 'I'm more than doing my bit here, aren't I worth more backing from the board?'

 

[Bill puntin]

Chris isn't going to reveal his budget to anybody even if it's a significant one because he doesn't want to get ripped of by other clubs . We can trust him to do the best with what he has available.

 

[stringer]

Why does a poster having concerns about the future of the best manager in years make them a pig?

 

[I should coco]

Why does a poster having concerns about the future of the best manager in years make them a pig?

Shut up pig!



There would be a smiley there, if I did them.

 

[bartman]

All of which is why Wilder's status here is assured.
But it doesn't have anything to do with Wilder's future and what he wants to do with his career.
Maybe all he wants to do as a manager is manage United and carry on picking up players for a pittance and see what he can do.
He certainly won't be going this season but he wouldn't be human if he didn't think 'I'm more than doing my bit here, aren't I worth more backing from the board?'

How do you define ' more backing '? More than what the club can afford ?

 

[The Crab]

...to the sandwich shop.

ooohhh, Bacon, Sausage & Brown sauce please.

 

[Pinchy]

PM’d you.

ITK??

Are you Maxster in disguise? Are you Maaaxster in disguise?

 

[him behind you]

He wouldn't leave now but this transfer window may end up being a turning point if he ends up thinking the board are taking the piss.
The guy deserves some proper support and if he doesn't get it why stay here long term?

I don't think this transfer window will upset him. I think if we have a decent 2nd half of the season which gives hope for a serious pushnect season (assuming we don't go up this year of course), then he might expect increased financial backing....but not this January unless previously promised it.

 

[UlrikaJonssonPaintTrophy]

I don't doubt that the budget is low, but here's something for people to think about:

We know Wilder is negotiating with Southend for Ryan Leonard, we also know that he's said there is only enough money for one permanent signing. Surely this is Wilder's way of making sure that Southend don't come back asking for more money!? Why would a manager ever come out and say they haven't been backed.

IMO Wilder is playing this very well, he's making sure his current bids don't go up, and he's not actually given away how much of a budget he has.

For now, shut up and let him do his dealings.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Why does a poster having concerns about the future of the best manager in years make them a pig?

It was only a few days ago,same poster was claiming our manager wasn't up to the challenge,now he is worrying whether he might leave,you might not believe he is Pork,it's my right to believe he is

 

[Pedro's Winger]

Chris isn't going to reveal his budget to anybody even if it's a significant one because he doesn't want to get ripped of by other clubs . We can trust him to do the best with what he has available.

Yes we can. No club reveals its budget to anyone and we can expect him to do his upmost to get value for money.
But in terms of Wilder's longer term future

How do you define ' more backing '? More than what the club can afford ?

We're one of the bigger clubs in the division with the fifth largest gates but are spending relative peanuts.
Maybe that's just the way it is but that doesn't mean Wilder has to accept that's his lot in managerial life.

 

[Harrisblade]

Why does a poster having concerns about the future of the best manager in years make them a pig?

Because all his posts are rumours and thoughts about things going wrong.

Whiteman coming back is an indication Wilder has been given a couple of beans to work with in the transfer market.
Worrying times.

His postings reek of "an agenda"

 

[Kev Gee]

If, as looks likely, there's no significant investment available, can't see Wilder staying that long.
We're at a crossroads, he's plainly ambitious, he's secured his legendary status here and very few would begrudge him leaving.
Maybe he'll work the ultimate managerial miracle on a shoestring but we're currently treading water.
It would be say to see him go but if he isn't going to get reasonable backing, he doesn't owe us - and particularly the board he's worked wonders for - anything.

Until he believes he has taken us as far as he can under the the finances. He would never leave vis in the lurch though.

 

[Blade58]

In all fairness, Wilder appeared quite upbeat in his post Derby interview.

They asked him about signings and he replied that he has his budget and it is his job to maximise it as much as possible. Does this suggest he's getting nothing? Or is it just another typical Wilder move of keeping his cards close to his chest?.

What sense would there be in saying "i've got this much to play with" or "I got the budget that I wanted"??....Suddenly Fleetwood and Southend add a zero on those targets and everyone else hikes up their prices.

It could be that he hasn't got bags to play with, but then again I think we thought this would be the case in the immediate future? But who knows......Nobody outside of the club knows that's for sure.

CW's last statement in his last interview led me to think all is ok. It was along the lines of when fans see the players we are trying to bring in, they will see we are trying to move the club forward.

I also agree with the bold print in your post above PB and I have reason to take your view.

Proof will be in the pudding so we'll see

 

[Jon Bon II]

This is worse than when I drunkenly shat on one of our lasses knockers.

And you did right too. Always stick up for your family...

 

[More Bladier than thou]

Plenty of time to get to the prem. Hes young and has a long managerial future ahead, why rush ? If he went all the way with ‘his’ club then that would bring more plaudits, greater achievement and more personal satisfaction than just jumping ship for a few more quid to a ready made club. He has rebuilt us from top to bottom, stabilised us and has layed the foundations.

 

[Pedro's Winger]

Plenty of time to get to the prem. Hes young and has a long managerial future ahead, why rush ? If he went all the way with ‘his’ club then that would bring more plaudits, greater achievement and more personal satisfaction than just jumping ship for a few more quid to a ready made club. He has rebuilt us from top to bottom, stabilised us and has layed the foundations.

He has laid the foundations and now needs and deserves support.
He's already been a manager for 17 years - a lot of those doing the hard yards. Doubt he'd see wanting to get to a higher level in the near future as him rushing.

 

[PokerBlade]

I don’t think he did.

Based on what?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Because all his posts are rumours and thoughts about things going wrong.

His postings reek of "an agenda"

Oddly enough he wanted money spent on removing the pillars from the Kop a while ago. Wasn't bothered about Wilders budget then.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Oddly enough he wanted money spent on removing the pillars from the Kop a while ago. Wasn't bothered about Wilders budget then.

Yes but the Kop he was on about was the one on Penistone Road

 

[Sean Thornton]

Yes but the Kop he was on about was the one on Penistone Road

Oh. My bad. He must have said pillocks then. Never happen.