Loan Updates

[mancunianblade]

There was an article in the Star that they were offering a new contract to Whiteman before he went to Doncaster. Not sure if this happened but he could come back. I don’t think the others will come back and will be released at the end of the season.

I think Whiteman’s loan is 6 months as well. So he’ll either come back or they’ll extend. He can’t play for a third club in one season.

May have misread the initial quote but though it was aimed at Wilson, Long and Hussey.. I’d assume Whiteman and Reed are out for development without intention of sale the other 3 are out because we couldn’t find permanent deals for them

 

[UnitedBlade]

May have misread the initial quote but though it was aimed at Wilson, Long and Hussey.. I’d assume Whiteman and Reed are out for development without intention of sale the other 3 are out because we couldn’t find permanent deals for them

I think you are right it is development for the younger two but I think Reed is out of contract at the end of the season. I’m not sure we will renew because I can’t see him forcing his way into a Championship side. He could potentially be transferred in January if Chesterfield want him. It will depend on how Jack assesses him. He no doubt will have his eye on Forest prospects as he’ll know them inside out. I think Reed will stay for the season then be released.

Whiteman could return or extend his loan in January.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

"Excellence Way". "Excellent players left out....."

Who is in Lalaland now?

Tell you what Pinchy. You never admitted when was the last time you saw Reed play. We have trusted posters on here who watch our young lads every game, let's ask them to appraise Reed's abilities and development as a lad just turned 20 who has all those first team games under his belt at 18 and 19 years old and has played at U-23, yes 23 years range for years and has also represented England at three age levels.

What do they think of him? You haven't watched him these past 2 years old boy, have you?

Balls=Up, Larkymasher and Baw please give us your views on the young lad. I never see Pinchy taking any interest whatsoever in your threads. Wish I knew how to tag you.

Hi Woodwardfan
To tag people you just type @ and as much of their name as possible. Then "they should appear" in a little list. So I'll tag Pinchy as well.

I'm a bit of a three trick pony on this forum. a) Young Blades sides b) England c) beer.

I feel I know how social media (Inc forums) work. Everyone free to engage how they like. I tend to avoid what I'll loosely call arguments. Pinchy often uses this "Bladey Boyband Blades" (or similar). Apologies Pinchy if I've got the phrase wrong. I've got a broad back. And it is presumptuous, but I assume he means someone like me.

So, here's an olive branch. Pinchy forgive me if I've misunderstood. But, in the spirit of understanding, what does your phrase mean?

Meanwhile. Reed was a serious talent in the age group which won the FIFA U20 World Cup in S Korea this (2017) Summer. Not good enough to go to the Finals granted. I saw him play for England U20 in some of the warm up games. Very interesting. They used him in a midfield spoiler role. Breaking up play. Get the ball if you can. Play it simple. Uncomplicated. He was very effective.

That said. It's numbers. If you "haven't broken through by age ..." then you'll/we'll have to try summat different. Loan to Chesterfield is just that. A different pathway.

When Reed played for SUFC U23, he was often the best player out there. But, I'm happy to accept Pinchy's view. Although, again, explaining what his phrase means will let me know whether I'm bang to rights.

I'll just say - my football club means more to me than - get some Blood Money from a Despot, spend it on players who can't pick Sheffield out on a map, do anything to get results, because that is ALL that matters.

It matters to me who our players are, where they've come from, how we treat them. The IDENTITY of the Club is important to me. Not just results. Happy for results to suffer (a bit) if we have an inclusive football club we can be proud of.

I realise that marks me down as Can't Be A Proper Blade to some. I'll sleep at nights...

My "if pushed" view is Reed will NOT make it at Bramall Lane. The beauty of our current situation is we can have Reed, Whiteman, etc out on loan in lower leagues & bide our time, see what develops.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Hi Woodwardfan
To tag people you just type @ and as much of their name as possible. Then "they should appear" in a little list. So I'll tag Pinchy as well.

I'm a bit of a three trick pony on this forum. a) Young Blades sides b) England c) beer.

I feel I know how social media (Inc forums) work. Everyone free to engage how they like. I tend to avoid what I'll loosely call arguments. Pinchy often uses this "Bladey Boyband Blades" (or similar). Apologies Pinchy if I've got the phrase wrong. I've got a broad back. And it is presumptuous, but I assume he means someone like me.

So, here's an olive branch. Pinchy forgive me if I've misunderstood. But, in the spirit of understanding, what does your phrase mean?

Meanwhile. Reed was a serious talent in the age group which won the FIFA U20 World Cup in S Korea this (2017) Summer. Not good enough to go to the Finals granted. I saw him play for England U20 in some of the warm up games. Very interesting. They used him in a midfield spoiler role. Breaking up play. Get the ball if you can. Play it simple. Uncomplicated. He was very effective.

That said. It's numbers. If you "haven't broken through by age ..." then you'll/we'll have to try summat different. Loan to Chesterfield is just that. A different pathway.

When Reed played for SUFC U23, he was often the best player out there. But, I'm happy to accept Pinchy's view. Although, again, explaining what his phrase means will let me know whether I'm bang to rights.

I'll just say - my football club means more to me than - get some Blood Money from a Despot, spend it on players who can't pick Sheffield out on a map, do anything to get results, because that is ALL that matters.

It matters to me who our players are, where they've come from, how we treat them. The IDENTITY of the Club is important to me. Not just results. Happy for results to suffer (a bit) if we have an inclusive football club we can be proud of.

I realise that marks me down as Can't Be A Proper Blade to some. I'll sleep at nights...

My "if pushed" view is Reed will NOT make it at Bramall Lane. The beauty of our current situation is we can have Reed, Whiteman, etc out on loan in lower leagues & bide our time, see what develops.

Thanks very much re the tags and the context you have placed Pinchy in together with an objective assessment of a lad just turned 20, written with such humility and sincerity.

 

[BushBlade]

Whiteman's just got a hat trick.

 

[Ricky]

I assume he's no longer '100% not good enough'....

 

[Harry's Game]

Give him a run.

 

[coaxingstar71]

GERRIMBACK! GERREMALLBACK!!!!

 

[Woodwardfan]

"Excellence Way". "Excellent players left out....."

Who is in Lalaland now?

Tell you what Pinchy. You never admitted when was the last time you saw Reed play. We have trusted posters on here who watch our young lads every game, let's ask them to appraise Reed's abilities and development as a lad just turned 20 who has all those first team games under his belt at 18 and 19 years old and has played at U-23, yes 23 years range for years and has also represented England at three age levels.

What do they think of him? You haven't watched him these past 2 years old boy, have you?

Balls=Up, Larkymasher and Baw please give us your views on the young lad. I never see Pinchy taking any interest whatsoever in your threads. Wish I knew how to tag you.

Baw Heid , larkymasher Ball_Sup (Phil)

Not sure you saw the post lads. Thanks again Ball_Sup (Phil).

 

[Woodwardfan]

Scoring a hat-trick in L1 is some achievement for any player and more so for a midfielder and even more so for a youngster. Delighted.

 

[coolhandluke]

Scoring a hat-trick in L1 is some achievement for any player and more so for a midfielder and even more so for a youngster. Delighted.

It's a cracking achievement. But the same question still remains unanswered . At what point do we as a Club make a decision on his future ? How long should we keep hold of Academy players in the hope that theyll eventually break into the first team ?

Whiteman is a great case in point . Is he good enough right now to replace Coutts Fleck or Duffy ? The answer is of course an emphatic no . But is he currently good enough to replace Brooks , Carruthers or Lundstrum in the first team squad ? The answer once again is no .

Now let's assume that in January we go out a strengthen the midfield even further .
This does 2 things . Firstly it means Whiteman will fall even further away from challenging for first team inclusion either as a starter or in the squad . And secondly it's a tacit agreement by Wilder et al that Whiteman still isnt good enough .

So at what point does the Club make a decision about whitemans future at the club ? I think it's wrong on a proffessional and personal level to keep farming Whiteman out for an indeterminate length of time in the hope he'll develop into a player who'll push himself into the first team reckoning . If he was 18 , fair enough , but in his early 20's it's surely a resounding no both for him and the Club .

I love seeing our Academy players playing for us just like everyone else does . I'm also one of the Academy's biggest adherents . But I also realise that there can be absolutely no room for sentiment here . We can only keep Academy players for a finite amount of time before making a decision on their futures . For me Whiteman , Reed etc should be given another 6 months max before the final decision on their futures is made .

 

[Ricky]

But is he currently good enough to replace Brooks , Carruthers or Lundstrum in the first team squad ? The answer once again is no .

How do you know that?

Many would've just assumed the same about Brooks at the start of the season.

There's no one answer to how long you keep young players for because they develop at different rates. But when they get to a certain age they should at least be out on loan. I don't like seeing anyone kept in the U23s into their early 20s.

 

[coolhandluke]

How do you know that?

Many would've just assumed the same about Brooks at the start of the season.

There's no one answer to how long you keep young players for because they develop at different rates. But when they get to a certain age they should at least be out on loan. I don't like seeing anyone kept in the U23s into their early 20s.

I don't know this . Wilder does though .

Whether or not we'll find out if he's now developed into a better option than any of them is a question that will be answered in January .

Personally speaking I hope he has and we recall him to go on to a great career for us . Sadly , I don't think this will be the case though . We shall see .

 

[Fanny magnet]

Im just waiting for Pinchy to roll up and start throwing insults at anyone who suggests the lad may one day be good enough to play for us
Same as he did with Brooks last year

 

[Pinchy]

It's a cracking achievement. But the same question still remains unanswered . At what point do we as a Club make a decision on his future ? How long should we keep hold of Academy players in the hope that theyll eventually break into the first team ?

Whiteman is a great case in point . Is he good enough right now to replace Coutts Fleck or Duffy ? The answer is of course an emphatic no . But is he currently good enough to replace Brooks , Carruthers or Lundstrum in the first team squad ? The answer once again is no .

Now let's assume that in January we go out a strengthen the midfield even further .
This does 2 things . Firstly it means Whiteman will fall even further away from challenging for first team inclusion either as a starter or in the squad . And secondly it's a tacit agreement by Wilder et al that Whiteman still isnt good enough .

So at what point does the Club make a decision about whitemans future at the club ? I think it's wrong on a proffessional and personal level to keep farming Whiteman out for an indeterminate length of time in the hope he'll develop into a player who'll push himself into the first team reckoning . If he was 18 , fair enough , but in his early 20's it's surely a resounding no both for him and the Club .

I love seeing our Academy players playing for us just like everyone else does . I'm also one of the Academy's biggest adherents . But I also realise that there can be absolutely no room for sentiment here . We can only keep Academy players for a finite amount of time before making a decision on their futures . For me Whiteman , Reed etc should be given another 6 months max before the final decision on their futures is made .

I made a final decision on Little Louis years ago. Mighty Chesterfield seem to be coming to the same conclusion.

Whiteman, who knows? He’s clearly got more about him than Reed but a few goals interspersed with periods of mediocrity isn’t yet conclusive.

 

[coolhandluke]

Im just waiting for Pinchy to roll up and start throwing insults at anyone who suggests the lad may one day be good enough to play for us
Same as he did with Brooks last year

Like it or not Pinchy is saying what we all know to be true .

We all want our Academy players to go on to have glittering careers with us . Deep down though none of us wants to see us throw the young guns into the first team when they are clearly not good enough only to see them fall flat on their faces .

Do any of us really want to see the first team weakened in this way whilst seeing the hopes and dreams of some young player systematically dismantled in front of tens of thousands ?

 

[Pinchy]

Im just waiting for Pinchy to roll up and start throwing insults at anyone who suggests the lad may one day be good enough to play for us
Same as he did with Brooks last year

But it wasn’t ‘one day’ was It? The Bladey Boybanders were installing him as first name on the team-sheet and awarding him a lifetime contract at a million pounds a minute.

 

[coolhandluke]

But it wasn’t ‘one day’ was It? The Bladey Boybanders were installing him as first name on the team-sheet and awarding him a lifetime contract at a million pounds a minute.

I'll put my tin hat on here , but I'm still not fully convinced by Brooks .

 

[Pinchy]

Thanks very much re the tags and the context you have placed Pinchy in together with an objective assessment of a lad just turned 20, written with such humility and sincerity.

...and concluding that your boy won’t make it, which became perfectly clear, to anyone not wishing on a star, a considerable time ago.

 

[Fanny magnet]

But it wasn’t ‘one day’ was It? The Bladey Boybanders were installing him as first name on the team-sheet and awarding him a lifetime contract at a million pounds a minute.

They weren't though really were they ?

 

[Pinchy]

I'll put my tin hat on here , but I'm still not fully convinced by Brooks .

That’s Bladey Boyband Blasphemy! As it happens, I am, but he’s certainly not the finished article. He has a great deal to learn.

If we kept all the young tyros, to see how they develop, as long as the BBs would like, we’d have a squad of about 500, most of them with long grey beards, no teeth and fucking walking frames. Why, oh why did we release Jordan Chappell, Local Joe and McFadz so prematurely? They cudda bin contenders...

 

[Pinchy]

They weren't though really were they ?

It’s called satire. It’s a literary device.

 

[Woodwardfan]

It's a cracking achievement. But the same question still remains unanswered . At what point do we as a Club make a decision on his future ? How long should we keep hold of Academy players in the hope that theyll eventually break into the first team ?

Whiteman is a great case in point . Is he good enough right now to replace Coutts Fleck or Duffy ? The answer is of course an emphatic no . But is he currently good enough to replace Brooks , Carruthers or Lundstrum in the first team squad ? The answer once again is no .

Now let's assume that in January we go out a strengthen the midfield even further .
This does 2 things . Firstly it means Whiteman will fall even further away from challenging for first team inclusion either as a starter or in the squad . And secondly it's a tacit agreement by Wilder et al that Whiteman still isnt good enough .

So at what point does the Club make a decision about whitemans future at the club ? I think it's wrong on a proffessional and personal level to keep farming Whiteman out for an indeterminate length of time in the hope he'll develop into a player who'll push himself into the first team reckoning . If he was 18 , fair enough , but in his early 20's it's surely a resounding no both for him and the Club .

I love seeing our Academy players playing for us just like everyone else does . I'm also one of the Academy's biggest adherents . But I also realise that there can be absolutely no room for sentiment here . We can only keep Academy players for a finite amount of time before making a decision on their futures . For me Whiteman , Reed etc should be given another 6 months max before the final decision on their futures is made .

Super post. The board and the manager have a declared policy called 'Pathway for Youth'. You have outlined the complexities.

The first team always has to be pickef on merit. Without an extreme set of circumstance Brook would be starring at Chesterfield now. Belatedly it was decided he's good enough and he then got his chance because of 4 striker injuries. He was around to take his opportunity.

The real decision is when any lad is good enough to 'be around' to earn his place on the bench and then good enough to take his opportunities to earn a first team place. If hes not then he should be out on loan until he is.

Soon both Fleck and Coutts will be out suspended. Lundstram will get his opportunity. After January maybe Whiteman will be there to step in.

I'd hate us to decide Reed's and Whiteman's futures so soon. Lets see them perform in front of 26000 at Bramall Lane when they have 50 league games under their belts, then we'll know.

Brooks has fast tracked beyond anybody's perceptions. All lads ask is the opportunity to be in the frame when they've earned the right. Further signings from outside in January will reduce those opportunities. A manager has to be bold to play young lads especially when every game matters. By the second half of the season there may be less pressure if we are in mid-table perhaps. By next season will Whiteman be better than som of these imports? Could well be.

 

[Fanny magnet]

It’s called satire. It’s a literary device.

So is a lie

 

[Barney]

Sadly, these players will ideally be moved on permanently from next season.

We've entered a new era, and being honest - on a technical level, they have been left behind.

We need the squad room to be able to keep adding top quality championship players.

 

[Pinchy]

So is a lie

A lie isn’t, neither is a full stop.

 

[Fanny magnet]

A lie isn’t, neither is a full stop.

A full stop isn't a literary device ?

 

[UnitedBlade]

It's a cracking achievement. But the same question still remains unanswered . At what point do we as a Club make a decision on his future ? How long should we keep hold of Academy players in the hope that theyll eventually break into the first team ?

Whiteman is a great case in point . Is he good enough right now to replace Coutts Fleck or Duffy ? The answer is of course an emphatic no . But is he currently good enough to replace Brooks , Carruthers or Lundstrum in the first team squad ? The answer once again is no .

Now let's assume that in January we go out a strengthen the midfield even further .
This does 2 things . Firstly it means Whiteman will fall even further away from challenging for first team inclusion either as a starter or in the squad . And secondly it's a tacit agreement by Wilder et al that Whiteman still isnt good enough .

So at what point does the Club make a decision about whitemans future at the club ? I think it's wrong on a proffessional and personal level to keep farming Whiteman out for an indeterminate length of time in the hope he'll develop into a player who'll push himself into the first team reckoning . If he was 18 , fair enough , but in his early 20's it's surely a resounding no both for him and the Club .

I love seeing our Academy players playing for us just like everyone else does . I'm also one of the Academy's biggest adherents . But I also realise that there can be absolutely no room for sentiment here . We can only keep Academy players for a finite amount of time before making a decision on their futures . For me Whiteman , Reed etc should be given another 6 months max before the final decision on their futures is made .

The unknown for me on Whiteman is whether he has signed a new contract or not.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.th...tract-offer-to-young-midfielder-1-8540432/amp

I don’t think Chris would see him in our starting line up but may well see him as useful for the 18. It depends on the health of the squad come January. I think it’s likely they’ll decide he’s best playing football at Donny and if he’s signed a new contract he comes back next season to fight for a place.

I think the clues are there for Reed. He’s played no meaningful football for the first team under Wilder, just 90 minutes versus Leicester’s U23s. I can’t see him forcing his way into our 18 man match day squad. His contract finishes at the end of this season and I’ll be surprised if we renew. I’m guessing they’ll discuss that in January to give him time to find a new club.

 

[Woodwardfan]

The thing that surprises me about these fans who cannot imagine a 'Pathway' is their blindness to the fact that as little as 2 months ago they would have laughed at anybody who might have suggested Brooks would be MOM in the Sheffield Derby. No lessons learned.

 

[Woodwardfan]

The unknown for me on Whiteman is whether he has signed a new contract or not.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.th...tract-offer-to-young-midfielder-1-8540432/amp

I don’t think Chris would see him in our starting line up but may well see him as useful for the 18. It depends on the health of the squad come January. I think it’s likely they’ll decide he’s best playing football at Donny and if he’s signed a new contract he comes back next season to fight for a place.

I think the clues are there for Reed. He’s played no meaningful football for the first team under Wilder, just 90 minutes versus Leicester’s U23s. I can’t see him forcing his way into our 18 man match day squad. His contract finishes at the end of this season and I’ll be surprised if we renew. I’m guessing they’ll discuss that in January to give him time to find a new club.

If that is so just watch Burton snap up Reed and then sit back and watch him go.