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[stringer]

I would have thought any concern over the technicalities of copyright law would be compensated by the pleasure of seeing the content (credited via link) widely discussed.

Apparently not.

Did you click the link?

 

[Pedro's Winger]

As I said, it allows you to maybe use a paragraph or two from a book if you're writing about it. The law's there to prevent anyone ripping off the entire thing.

It is but that's not what happened here.
Attention was drawn to an article in the Star with some comment to go with it and clearly stating it was an article in the Star.
I personally think the law should be closer to your understanding in the sense that the original copy should have to be accessed where that can be the case, ie via a live link.
But I'm not sure it would be feasible for the Star to win a case based on how the OP in this thread was presented.

 

[stringer]

It is but that's not what happened here.
Attention was drawn to an article in the Star with some comment to go with it and clearly stating it was an article in the Star.
I personally think the law should be closer to your understanding in the sense that the original copy should have to be accessed where that can be the case, ie via a live link.
But I'm not sure it would be feasible for the Star to win a case based on how the OP in this thread was presented.

I appreciate your non-confrontational tone, so please don't take this otherwise. But what part of copying and pasting someone else's work, denying the company who employs them the income from it, would be deemed 'fair' under the 'fair dealing' exemption, which allows 'limited use of copyright works without the permission of the copyright owner'? (from the gov.uk website on the matter).

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Did you click the link?

Yes.

 

[Trigger Blade]

Why's advising a poster of a copyright breach an about turn of anything? I'd say the same if it was copied from the Daily Mail. It's a problem people often don't think about.

It was an about turn in the sense that you have been involved in discussions on here where people have held you to account (incorrectly and unreasonably in my view) for the actions of your employer. You have said that you're on here as an individual, not as an employee.

In the case, you've taken someone to task for quoting something from The Star, involving yourself in something which is not your responsibility and which you are not in a position to resolve. If there's a breach of copyright, let your employer deal with it. I just don't see any upside to this for you, just my opinion.

 

[stringer]

It was an about turn in the sense that you have been involved in discussions on here where people have held you to account (incorrectly and unreasonably in my view) for the actions of your employer. You have said that you're on here as an individual, not as an employee.

In the case, you've taken someone to task for quoting something from The Star, involving yourself in something which is not your responsibility and which you are not in a position to resolve. If there's a breach of copyright, let your employer deal with it. I just don't see any upside to this for you, just my opinion.

Taken someone to task? Really?
As I said, it was a friendly reminder. I'm not about to be issuing letters about it, but I'd also like to be in a job as long as I can!

 

[BushBlade]

Doesn't have to be.



It means a lot, but I'd rather have a job over sympathy BB

If you have genuine concerns that your job is at risk because someone copies and pastes articles on here, then raise the issue with Foxy and Linz rather than starting yet another public spat and making yourself look a bit of a tit.

 

[stringer]

If you have genuine concerns that your job is at risk because someone copies and pastes articles on here, then raise the issue with Foxy and Linz rather than starting yet another public spat and making yourself look a bit of a tit.

Or rather, don't jump all over my posts when I politely nudged Ricky about the issue.

 

[Pedro's Winger]

I appreciate your non-confrontational tone, so please don't take this otherwise. But what part of copying and pasting someone else's work, denying the company who employs them the income from it, would be deemed 'fair' under the 'fair dealing' exemption, which allows 'limited use of copyright works without the permission of the copyright owner'? (from the gov.uk website on the matter).

I think it would be a tough ask where someone has provided the actual link to the story and has effectively advertised where the story was from.
Who knows whether the copy and paste is right without going to the original copy? Who's to say that by advertising an interesting story in the Star that that isn't going to lead to more interest from consumers into its content?
You could argue fewer paragraphs could have been copied but there's only 8 in the first place.
I agree with you in principle but in practice I'm not convinced a lawyer would think its a winner.

 

[Ecco1889]

for once,an interesting article in the star,and its hijacked by a jobsworth*....unbelievable
*petty,and applying no common sense

 

[TarquinDelouche]

You could argue fewer paragraphs could have been copied but there's only 8 in the first place.

And only three of those are the original work of the author.

 

[Pedro's Winger]

And only three of those are the original work of the author.

No, that's not right.
It's all essentially the work of the author who put the piece together unless the quotes are half-inched from somewhere else - but I'd assume the Star does speak to Wilder direct.

 

[BushBlade]

Or rather, don't jump all over my posts when I politely nudged Ricky about the issue.

It's a public forum. If you wanted to politely nudge Ricky you could have pm'ed him but you preferred to try to scold him like a little child. I'm more than entitled to comment, just as you are entitled to respond.

 

[TarquinDelouche]

No, that's not right.
It's all essentially the work of the author who put the piece together unless the quotes are half-inched from somewhere else - but I'd assume the Star does speak to Wilder direct.

All right, five of those eight paragraphs are the result of lifting a phone and asking for something to add to the other three.

 

[Pedro's Winger]

All right, five of those eight paragraphs are the result of lifting a phone and asking for something to add to the other three.

Still work though - hopefully getting the words down accurately or asking the right questions to get something interesting/useful to write etc.
I do think it's right to respect people do have to work for a living even if people don't like what they do.

 

[stringer]

All right, five of those eight paragraphs are the result of lifting a phone and asking for something to add to the other three.

Otherwise known as journalism

 

[stringer]

It's a public forum. If you wanted to politely nudge Ricky you could have pm'ed him but you preferred to try to scold him like a little child. I'm more than entitled to comment, just as you are entitled to respond.

Yep, that's a fair point. At least it elicited something like a debate though [with only a bit of personal abuse]

applying no common sense

No, just applying copyright law

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Ricky https://www.gov.uk/topic/intellectual-property/copyright

A piece of friendly advice (from someone who regularly supports you and the Star on here): if you are going to point to the law in response to a post, add a comment so we get a 'tone of voice'. I couldn't tell whether the sub-text was 'You ought to know that technically your post is against the law, so be careful' or 'I'm informing my boss and expect a letter from their lawyers in the morning'. It was unwise to allow this to get heated.

 

[stringer]

A piece of friendly advice (from someone who regularly supports you and the Star on here): if you are going to point to the law in response to a post, add a comment so we get a 'tone of voice'. I couldn't tell whether the sub-text was 'You ought to know that technically your post is against the law, so be careful' or 'I'm informing my boss and expect a letter from their lawyers in the morning'. It was unwise to allow this to get heated.

Yes, you're right. It was the former; the decision about the latter is out of my hands

 

[Mouth of the South]

Well, the one thing this thread has done is ensure that I'll never read The Star again.

 

[Marcus Tullius Cicero]

Hey lads, come on, lets calm down a bit. Having said that anyone who thinks they have a case for theft of intellectual property please PM me, we have competitive rates

 

[BushBlade]

Hey lads, come on, lets calm down a bit. Having said that anyone who thinks they have a case for theft of intellectual property please PM me, we have competitive rates

Would you really recommend engaging a professional consultant based on them having 'competitive rates'? My first criteria is a demonstration of competence, usually their track record of success.

 

[andy m]

Why do some people go out of their way to get their knickers in a twist about anything Danny04 posts. Seems to me like he was just looking out for one of the better posters on this forum in Ricky.

 

[stringer]

Why do some people go out of their way to get their knickers in a twist about anything Danny04 posts. Seems to me like he was just looking out for one of the better posters on this forum in Ricky.

Thanks Andy. Suspect much of it is playing the poster, not the post. Hey ho!

 

[Ricky]

We've had such copy and paste jobs on here countless times before. Not that I'd wish to give them unnecessary work to do but the site owners/admin can remove them if necessary, and anyone's free to contact them about it.

I'm aware of possible copyright issues so provided the link to the Star article. I even put it at the top of the post, not the bottom.

I might have even contributed to the page getting more hits than it otherwise would have got.

But nevertheless, just throw me in jail now. Why the hell not.....

 

[stringer]

We've had such copy and paste jobs on here countless times before. Not that I'd wish to give them unnecessary work to do but the site owners/admin can remove them if necessary, and anyone's free to contact them about it.

I'm aware of possible copyright issues so provided the link to the Star article. I even put it at the top of the post, not the bottom.

I might have even contributed to the page getting more hits than it otherwise would have got.

But nevertheless, just throw me in jail now. Why the hell not.....

It's an issue that's arisen before, yes. Foxy previously promised to act, Linz reminded members not to copy and paste full articles. Post was a gentle nudge to the law. And yes, any news on new contracts for O'Connell, Brooks, Moore etc is good news.

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

Ricky https://www.gov.uk/topic/intellectual-property/copyright

Did you paint your avatar?

 

[stringer]

Did you paint your avatar?

No, did you?

 

[itsinyerblood]

We've had such copy and paste jobs on here countless times before. Not that I'd wish to give them unnecessary work to do but the site owners/admin can remove them if necessary, and anyone's free to contact them about it.

I'm aware of possible copyright issues so provided the link to the Star article. I even put it at the top of the post, not the bottom.

I might have even contributed to the page getting more hits than it otherwise would have got.

But nevertheless, just throw me in jail now. Why the hell not.....

'kinell Herb, thought you were doing a stretch anyway?!?

 

[Marcus Tullius Cicero]

Would you really recommend engaging a professional consultant based on them having 'competitive rates'? My first criteria is a demonstration of competence, usually their track record of success.

Consultant? Try hiring a law firm to pursue your claim, competitive doesn't mean inexpensive. Just competitive pricing. We have the equivalent of brooks and Duffy and a great manager.