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We weren't shocking but we never really looked like scoring.
Evans did nothing all game and the difference between him and Jerome stood out throughout. The ball would actually stick with Jerome and he had an impact on the game whereas our number nine didn't.
For all Norwich's cynical approach - and they were a set of bellends - it was, in truth, a very good away performance and pretty much the definition of winning ugly.
 
We weren't bad. Some of the passing wasn't as crisp as normal, but we kept the ball well. We defended quite well - good goal by them and no disgrace to concede.

The unfortunate thing is that with our striker woes we needed the midfield to step up and offer more than usual, and they couldn't do it. There seemed to be a lot more tippy tappy stuff than usual in the first half - nothing wrong with keeping the ball, but for me we went backwards too often when we could have pushed on. Same with the free kicks - most taken quickly for no gain in territory.

I would have liked to see more of an attempt to score from distance. What shooting there was from far out was poor. Plus the crosses in the box time and time again when no one was there - did it not occur to anyone to run down the byline to hopefully play for a cut back? Did none of the midfielders have the presence to gamble and break early? It was a bit ponderous.

Norwich set us a problem with 10 men behind the ball. We found a way mainly down the right (Stephens did not do so well yesterday) but our crossing was no threat. There seemed to be no plan b.

Brooks should've scored but it hard to criticise as he made his own chance with a good bit of skill.

Evans had no pace, no power and no presence. Still, I'm sure he'll be fine after a long lay off from an operation and yet another pre-season. Who did his medical?

Not a disaster. Hopefully we'll have more luck with injuries than we've been having, because yesterday's line up isn't going to score at the Sty I fear.
 
If the article in the programme is honest then Ched should not have played. We should have packed him off for his Op and put one of the young lads in. Or, sat him on the bench in case of injuries but ideally not played him. At 70% fit he can't impact games at this level and is unfair to expect it. It lets the team, club and fans down and him too. I can understand the disappointment with him with some fans but let's see what happens after the Op. And for those who say he has never done it at this level, he was in his early 20's when he last played in the Championship with us, 22 I believe. And given the shite we were playing at the time, is it any wonder he didn't pull any trees up. I'm not surprised at the 'he's finished' brigade though, obviously all ex pro's who never got injured and got 25 goals a season - probably from centre mid too. For a club supposed to be known for all pulling in the same direction and backing the team, it's a bit shameful criticising a player being asked to do a job while not fully fit, he's in a lose lose situation tbh. But then again, first loss for ages and someone has to take the blame - don't they ?
 
TC's Magic Boots said:
If the article in the programme is honest then Ched should not have played. We should have packed him off for his Op and put one of the young lads in. Or, sat him on the bench in case of injuries but ideally not played him. At 70% fit he can't impact games at this level and is unfair to expect it.
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An article in a home programme about a player that has bizarre ties to this football club. It was obviously intended to appease fans about his lack of game time/talent. Ched was great when he first came because his finishing and first touch were excellent. I don't see that instinct anymore, no amount of fitness will change that.

I agree though...no need to scapegoat anybody. But there are some people, like me, who aren't worried about the result but still are not Ched fans. Those people are allowed to say that Ched is shit, simply because he is.
 
Lets face it, it was a bad decision to take evens back. A shame but its not going to work out. We don't have the time to wait for him to get fit. And when he is, if he ever is, he might not be good enough.
 
Steve Mackan said:
An article in a home programme about a player that has bizarre ties to this football club. It was obviously intended to appease fans about his lack of game time/talent. Ched was great when he first came because his finishing and first touch were excellent. I don't see that instinct anymore, no amount of fitness will change that.

I agree though...no need to scapegoat anybody. But there are some people, like me, who aren't worried about the result but still are not Ched fans. Those people are allowed to say that Ched is shit, simply because he is.
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You are right, people are allowed to say what they want regarding any subject. It's not just a programme article though is it, or are you saying Wilder is lying to the fans ? He spoke about this 2 weeks ago saying he was taking Evans out of the firing line to get things sorted but, because of other injuries he can't.
But if you dislike someone no matter what they do it will never be enough will it. It's not just about fitness though, confidence goes when things aren't going right and I'm sure once things are dealt with you will see a different player.

But like you say 'Those people are allowed to say that Ched is shit, simply because he is' ... I'm saying he isn't, because I can.
 
Northyorksblade said:
Pretty harsh.
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but unfortunately true.

I have no agenda except that I would always risk a fully fit hungry young player over an unfit older player, especially up top, because the ability to be first to the ball in the box is key and an unfit player is unlikely to be able to do that consistently.
 
Danny_Blade said:
Only a half fit Ched, some key players missing due to injury against a Norwich side who have started the season underwhelming but still have some decent players in their ranks. I think a 1 - 0 loss isn't anything to be ashamed of given these circumstances.

Also to put it into perspective it was only our eighth game back at this level so lets not expect too much too soon, we can't and won't win every game and have already started the season much better than most of us probably thought.
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Our eighth game back at this level and already we have teams looking to "do a job" on us to get something from the game; a testament to how far we've come.
 
him behind you said:
Simple. Did you count how many times Coutts bombed the ball 40 plus yards towards the touchline in the first half? Then tell me how many times he's done that in the last 12 months? We've had 12 months of short sharp incisve passing to players always available to receive it - in the first half that just didn't happen.

FFS, just accept when we get something wrong. It's not the end of the world.
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He did it three times in 45 minutes and probably touched the ball 50/60 times. Just watched it back on ifollow. I'd say his pass completion was probably 80-90%. Twice he did it to Stevens when he was free in space and just over hit both and once he did it to Freeman and didn't over hit it. Hardly abandoning any football principles.
 
TC's Magic Boots said:
You are right, people are allowed to say what they want regarding any subject. It's not just a programme article though is it, or are you saying Wilder is lying to the fans ? He spoke about this 2 weeks ago saying he was taking Evans out of the firing line to get things sorted but, because of other injuries he can't.
But if you dislike someone no matter what they do it will never be enough will it. It's not just about fitness though, confidence goes when things aren't going right and I'm sure once things are dealt with you will see a different player.

But like you say 'Those people are allowed to say that Ched is shit, simply because he is' ... I'm saying he isn't, because I can.
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Wilder has a job, as manager, to take players out of the firing line and appease fans. What I'm saying is, like all good managers, Wilder has signed a shitter. It's not a criticism of Wilder or the player. These things happen. My personal gripe is simply with fans who seem to think Sheffield United and Ched Evans have a special bond after one good season and everything else that came after it.

There's a point where you have to be dispassionate, maybe I am judging too early, maybe others are judging too late. But I look at him as a player and, as a player, he looks dreadfully short of the mark, fit or unfit.
 
Some good posts on here.

However I think everyone needs a dose of realism regards Ched.

I've been saying since he came back that everyone should lay off for a good while, and that also includes those putting expectation on his shoulders and making out he'll be amazing soon enough.

Let him have an op and be brought back gradually. If his contribution isn't much different come January then it may well be a cheap gamble that hasn't paid off.

He's certainly done little so far this season apart from the odd few minutes here and there to justify his inclusion imho and if he is only at half cock so to speak, he shouldn't be playing anyway.
 
PeteBlade said:
In which year are we expecting it to finally arrive?
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End of this year, beginning of next. When his ankle has healed and he can build to what we, (except possibly those who don't want Ched for any reason they can think of), and he, want him to be. When he can turn, run and shoot without pain or a 'giving way' in his ankle. And don't forget, if teams don't score, it's not always the fault of the striker. My opinion, of course. Not fact but there again, neither is your "Cheds finished".
 



Fulwood Blade said:
yep - we got behind them loads of times - more so than Brentford and Derby put together.

We (sadly) didn't have a striker with the nous today - totally understandable.

This may be our problem going forward this season - the S6 lot have 4 strikers all on between 40-52K per week - something that we just can't even get near.

UTB
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For me, there were no (or very few) really good 'assist' passes put in to either Evans or Brooks. I know it seems like I am on an Evans Crusade but I'm not, I just feel he deserves a fair crack of the whip.
 
1973Blade said:
How soon we forget!
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Indeed. The unanimity with which we all agreed that there'd be more defeats this season and everybody would be understanding and nobody would moan at the manager or team...

Fat fucking chance in prehistoric S2:
 
Borbokisfreekick said:
Describe how we abandoned our footballing beliefs? jesus - i do wonder if some of our fans actually watch the game.

We had over 600 passes in this game, 68% possession and 85% pass accuracy. I don't think it was a lack of football being played.

We also stayed consistent with trying to get into good areas inside the penalty area.

The thing that was lacking was intelligent movement and link up from the strikers.

The time we did abandon our style was the last 10 mins when we were frantically trying to get the ball forward and played some hopeful longer passes and crosses. Even then Brooks still managed to work his way into the box but spooned it over.
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Hi BBFK. I'm not resurrecting this thread because of the Forest defeat but wondered whether you have access to stats such as pass completion for players by match? I've just heading back from forest with my mate and he says it felt like Fleck gave the ball away a lot today, probably more today than in the past half dozen games added together. My response was that we probably picked up on more because of his error for their first but wondered whether you might know where said stats could be found? Cheers.
 
him behind you said:
Hi BBFK. I'm not resurrecting this thread because of the Forest defeat but wondered whether you have access to stats such as pass completion for players by match? I've just heading back from forest with my mate and he says it felt like Fleck gave the ball away a lot today, probably more today than in the past half dozen games added together. My response was that we probably picked up on more because of his error for their first but wondered whether you might know where said stats could be found? Cheers.
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him behind you said:
Thanks mate. Just read that to him cos he's driving. Told him he was wrong but he's clutching at straws cos he doesn't like being proved wrong and is claiming that his poor crosses is what he meant...lol.
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I'd agree with him on the poor crosses, made some daft decisions early on in terms of lumping crosses in.

85% pass completion is decent, but top level for his position is over 90%. End of day comes down to decision making, Fleck probably made slightly poorer decisions in the 1st half today than usual.
 
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