Scott & Simon McCabe stepping down

[Harrisblade]

His paper-producing business has directly led to a number of paper-cut injuries. He's a monster.

And does he care when any of us are stuck in the loo and all the bog roll's been used (by twats) - does he fuck!

 

[LoughboroBlade]

And does he care when any of us are stuck in the loo and all the bog roll's been used (by twats) - does he fuck!

Really it's a disgrace that he hasn't personally used his substantial political power to initiate a replacement of stoning with bogrolling – the cushioned sort mind, not that Bronco rubbish.

 

[Snowman]

No public stonings in Retford market square last time I looked me owd.

So he resides in a country where there is a barbaric punishment as prescribed by the law largely administered by adherents to the "state" religion. Notwithstanding that his own personal beliefs may not accord with the required public face of a resident of that state, you condemn him by the accident of his birth into that system and thereby condemn Sheffield United by association. Do you really think this Prince would need to soil his hands with manufacturing bog paper if he was one of the ruling class?

I really can't see your point. Its a shitty horrible backward barbaric system perpetuated by the descendants of and close family of King Ibn Saud to their own ends. Are you saying that we should sever all ties with Prince because of the accident of his birth into that system, or are you only to be satisfied if he signs his own death warrant by condemning that system?

And whilst we are at it, using your analogy, in our Parliamentary democracy all MP's who voted for the Iraq War (universally now condemned as unlawful and the cause of millions of deaths) have more responsibility for the mass executions, bombings and murders that followed because they actually voted for what occurred and the aftermath.

 

[Harrisblade]

So he resides in a country where there is a barbaric punishment as prescribed by the law largely administered by adherents to the "state" religion. Notwithstanding that his own personal beliefs may not accord with the required public face of a resident of that state, you condemn him by the accident of his birth into that system and thereby condemn Sheffield United by association. Do you really think this Prince would need to soil his hands with manufacturing bog paper if he was one of the ruling class?

I really can't see your point. Its a shitty horrible backward barbaric system perpetuated by the descendants of and close family of King Ibn Saud to their own ends. Are you saying that we should sever all ties with Prince because of the accident of his birth into that system, or are you only to be satisfied if he signs his own death warrant by condemning that system?

And whilst we are at it, using your analogy, in our Parliamentary democracy all MP's who voted for the Iraq War (universally now condemned as unlawful and the cause of millions of deaths) have more responsibility for the mass executions, bombings and murders that followed because they actually voted for what occurred and the aftermath.

Can't we hold the Royal Family just a little bit responsible for the Iraq war?

 

[The Crab]

Since when did our owners come out & say they backed stoning women & terrorism.

fuck off you clown.

If you read the matchday programme backwards, that's precisely what it says. Possibly.

 

[Isar]

Think Citeh.

Hope not.

 

[Gerritforud]

So he resides in a country where there is a barbaric punishment as prescribed by the law largely administered by adherents to the "state" religion. Notwithstanding that his own personal beliefs may not accord with the required public face of a resident of that state, you condemn him by the accident of his birth into that system and thereby condemn Sheffield United by association. Do you really think this Prince would need to soil his hands with manufacturing bog paper if he was one of the ruling class?

I really can't see your point. Its a shitty horrible backward barbaric system perpetuated by the descendants of and close family of King Ibn Saud to their own ends. Are you saying that we should sever all ties with Prince because of the accident of his birth into that system, or are you only to be satisfied if he signs his own death warrant by condemning that system?

And whilst we are at it, using your analogy, in our Parliamentary democracy all MP's who voted for the Iraq War (universally now condemned as unlawful and the cause of millions of deaths) have more responsibility for the mass executions, bombings and murders that followed because they actually voted for what occurred and the aftermath.

Build all the Strawmen you like pal, you are proving nothing. He is part of the Saudi government and therefore in my opinion we should not be associated with him. Oh and I love the "soiling his hands manufacturing" FFS! Do you really believe he actually makes the stuff himself or just sits in occasional boardroom meetings?

 

[Esablade]

Clearly taking a strategic view, considering likely business plans, forecasts and projections, JJBlade pommpey Esablade and Barney will not be happy.

Using their reasoned scientific basis and the "get yor 'and in yor pocket' rationale, they will actually be decidedly unhappy. Or not.

Nuff said.

As I posted the other day, McCabe(s) have been looking for an exit strategy for years, I don't think there's much contention there and Im sure they feel they've 'done their bit' for the club.

Maybe this is the start of that, maybe not...

Perhaps it puts Wilder's recent comments about 'owner's not being around forever' into a new light.

 

[s4-blade]

Build all the Strawmen you like pal, you are proving nothing. He is part of the Saudi government and therefore in my opinion we should not be associated with him. Oh and I love the "soiling his hands manufacturing" FFS! Do you really believe he actually makes the stuff himself or just sits in occasional boardroom meetings?

You're boring pal

 

[Gerritforud]

You're boring pal

Diddums

 

[Darthblade]

Them's some serious cans!

In fact ...... almost perfect to facilitate a STW

UTB & FTP

 

[Esablade]

I reckon we can make 100 pages if we post enough boobs.

I thought Russ Meyer was dead

 

[Bullet73]

If these Saudis take over does this mean no more alcohol and pork products to be served at BDTBL. Also all women to be barred. I fu@kin hope not

 

[Harrisblade]

Diddums

Said the lone voice calling from the wilderness

 

[Blade58]

Build all the Strawmen you like pal, you are proving nothing. He is part of the Saudi government and therefore in my opinion we should not be associated with him. Oh and I love the "soiling his hands manufacturing" FFS! Do you really believe he actually makes the stuff himself or just sits in occasional boardroom meetings?

I don't think anyone believes that

But then neither did he have things handed to him on a plate

He had to earn his way in life. He had to take out a loan to fund his start up business. He gained a Masters in Eng at Uni

Pretty much I'd say stereotypical like most people who have started out in life and gone to make a success of their career.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Seems a next logical stage of the Prince taking over full ownership of the club in due course. The prince insisted on the 'comfort' of having McCabe's half ownership until some monentum started and McCabe sees his investment value increase at the same time. McCabe didnt want to crystallise his losses at L1 values on the other hand and full purchase of the 50% will either be on a sliding scale over the next few years or a lump sum when we are in the Promised Land.

Whatever the agreement it seems the Prince is now in control with the McCabe men more advisory albeit Board members.

There are sudden risks inherent in this and I'm not sure Wilder will be quite as confident and assured in the new set up. The acid test is how good the Prince's main advisers are right now and in due course. Phipps was not a great example tbh. Personally I will miss the McCabes' day to day involvement but plenty won't .

It is all commensurate with greater Prince investment once we reached the Championship. The McCabes have matched his annual investment to date but I guess that will change now.
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[Superblades]

If these Saudis take over does this mean no more alcohol and pork products to be served at BDTBL. Also all women to be barred. I fu@kin hope not

Same here. Some r8 birds visit lane

 

[Razor Blade]

Correct me if i am wrong, i keep seeing mention of Chinese investment, but i am sure that i read that their govt. has banned any further investment in foreign sports !

 

[ucandomagic]

Diddums

Anybody who doesn't want the benefit of Saudi money will have to leave the country. Without it our defence industry would collapse - tens of thousands of jobs would be lost and we would be a weaker country - whilst the Saudi money would simply go elsewhere.

There are things in the world that none of us like, but we live in the real world.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Seems a next logical stage of the Prince taking over full ownership of the club in due course. The prince insisted on the 'comfort' of having McCabe's half ownership until some monentum started and McCabe sees his investment value increase at the same time. McCabe didnt want to crystallise his losses at L1 values on the other hand and full purchase of the 50% will either be on a sliding scale over the next few years or a lump sum when we are in the Promised Land.

Whatever the agreement it seems the Prince is now in control with the McCabe men more advisory albeit Board members.

There are sudden risks inherent in this and I'm not sure Wilder will be quite as confident and assured in the new set up. The acid test is how good the Prince's main advisers are right now and in due course. Phipps was not a great example tbh. Personally I will miss the McCabes' day to day involvement but plenty won't .

It is all commensurate with greater Prince investment once we reached the Championship. The McCabes have matched his annual investment to date but I guess that will change now.
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Unless there's been a change in the share ratio or McCabe has given up any football role non of the recent occurrences point to the Prince taking "control". And seeing that there is no information out there that even suggests that, it's all pure speculation. Including any claims of large cash investment. Same with the Wilder comments. I'd give him more credit than to be phased by that. His past shows that.

 

[Blade56]

One positive is the Prince is a self confessed sporting nut and not just a rich Asian/Chinese/Indian investor with no knowledge of the game looking to make a quick buck.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Unless there's been a change in the share ratio or McCabe has given up any football role non of the recent occurrences point to the Prince taking "control". And seeing that there is no information out there that even suggests that, it's all pure speculation. Including any claims of large cash investment. Same with the Wilder comments. I'd give him more credit than to be phased by that. His past shows that.

Exactly that - opinion and speculation but its exactly how I saw it panning out when the prince joined us, as you may recall ( and disagreed at fhe time) Guesswork but logic , my logic thats all.

Believe me Wilder would prefer McCabes on the board and involved day to day. Logic tells me that too. No he ' wont be phased' of course he won't, he'll carry on doing his thing but he will be looking for signs of support and confidence from the new regime.

 

[Lawrence]

If these Saudis take over does this mean no more alcohol and pork products to be served at BDTBL. Also all women to be barred. I fu@kin hope not

No it will mean we will be plyed with millions of £ and turn into another Soulless premier club

 

[Bert]

Build all the Strawmen you like pal, you are proving nothing. He is part of the Saudi government and therefore in my opinion we should not be associated with him. Oh and I love the "soiling his hands manufacturing" FFS! Do you really believe he actually makes the stuff himself or just sits in occasional boardroom meetings?

Presumably since the barbaric despot bought half our club you've withdrawn your support and refuse to have anything to do with Sheffield United?

 

[Davalon]

You seem to blaming him for having the misfortune to be born a Saudi Prince?
You live in Retford, all horrible people I'm told directly responsible for the ill treatment of the less fortunate in society.
You should be ashamed.

Get on General Chat.

A number on there are happy to despise people for what they are born into through no fault of their own.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Exactly that - opinion and speculation but its exactly how I saw it panning out when the prince joined us, as you may recall ( and disagreed at fhe time) Guesswork but logic , my logic thats all.

Believe me Wilder would prefer McCabes on the board and involved day to day. Logic tells me that too. No he ' wont be phased' of course he won't, he'll carry on doing his thing but he will be looking for signs of support and confidence from the new regime.

Well Sean? Logic dictates a Sheffield lad being comfortable with a Sheffield lad in charge. A Saudi in charge- different kettle of fish.

As regards logic and instinct about the future. Tell me where your quoted facts from 18m old accounts get you.

Sean, you have your place but 'feel and touch and instinct ' is not there.

Please dont insult us all by saying dated accounts tell the truth. Opinion and instinct and logic covers the future far more effectively.
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[Harrisblade]

Correct me if i am wrong, i keep seeing mention of Chinese investment, but i am sure that i read that their govt. has banned any further investment in foreign sports !

Yes, but its fairly recent so wasn't in place when the first rumours started

 

[Sean Thornton]

Well Sean? Logic dictates a Sheffield lad being comfortable with a Sheffield lad in charge. A Saudi in charge- different kettle of fish.

As regards logic and instinct about the future. Tell me where your quoted facts from 18m old accounts get you.

Sean, you have your place but 'feel and touch and instinct ' is not there.

Please dont insult us all by saying dated accounts tell the truth. Opinion and instinct and logic covers the future far more effectively.
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Oh dear. And you weren't doing as badly as usual but your ego takes over as you yet again claim an unproven "victory".

What you don't seem to understand is that it's the search facility, rather than myself, or any other poster, that leads to ridicule.

I'd imagine a man like Chris Wilder can hold his own with anyone, so nationality is unimportant. As aSheffield lad he's managed outside the city as I'm sure you'll remember.


Before I move on to logic and instinct, let's look at the accounts for a sec. They're historical. As a bank manager you should be aware of that. They tell you what's happened. But interestingly you now seem to be saying that the dated accounts may be wrong. Maybe you'll clarify that point, maybe it's your excitement over claiming you're "right" when nothing is proven. Hold of with the tissues and banning appeals to Foxy and Linz though, it's only going to get worse for you

Logic and instinct.

Yes you claimed the Prince was taking over in 2013. In 2014. And in 2015, when, despite the announcement that he was curtailing his involvement with the club temporarily due to his government job, you claimed he was now the dominant partner. Two years on this unerring instinct has you making the same call again. Even a blind squirrel finds the occasional nut Woody.

You logic also led you to post the biggest load of rubbish about how the Pribces shareholding was being built up gradually despite the facts being freely available in those pesky accounts. Oh and at Companies House.

Then there's of course transition, where you laid down McCabes long term austerity plans for a self reliant club about three weeks before the Prince was announced.

Your logic and instinct is really your ego, which gets shot down pretty much every time you raise your rather big head above the parapet.

The Prince may well eventually take over. But you've claimed its been happening since 2013, as if there's only you ever thought it was an option.

Bloody search facilities eh?

 

[Houston_Blade]

The resignations of the sons means nothing. Kevin McCabe Hasnt been a director of the football club for awhile for example.

There may well be something happening but unless there is a transfer of shares its business as usual.

As for the significance, there have been loads of similar boardroom changes, the owners apart, of people without shares. No one wet their pants a month ago for example.

Maybe Scarborough are seeing an upturn and as the vehicle that underwrites McCabes share of funding the club the family are concentrating on something that makes them money. Who knows.

Anyone who has experience of running a corporate business would keep their powder dry, maybe speculate a little but not claim they were right without even knowing the current share holdings after the last cash input. In there was a buy out of any kind director resignations could be done then.

Neither were involved in the day to day running of the club and have been replaced with other McCabe men, just like the Prince has his men on board.

Well said that man.

 

[Lower Drop Blade]

If this full take over comes to pass then don't see a big issue with CW not being comfortable with a new (ish) set up. Firstly CW is clearly a strong character who won't put up with any nonsense from above and secondly the meeting in Paris (if memory serves ) between the Prince and Chris in the summer to discuss the coming season I would guess any full ownership takeover might have been on the agenda then.