That 'think Liverpool' quote

[Sean Thornton]

I'm glad that you agreed that you wrote a right load of bolloxs, fine let's move on!

I didn't. Are you twelve?

 

[Pedro's Winger]

The simple facts are it took us too long and too much money to get out of L1. Had we gone up a couple of seasons before, as you say, the money we could have spent at that time would have bought us better players than it would now. And there would have been more of it.

Every season the accounts are published and discussed on here. For as long as I can recall, and certainly since the Prince got involved, the club has lost money. Millions, year on year.

So, just like for all those people who swore at their weddings to stay with the partners in sickness and in health, for richer or poorer, and all the rest, and are now divorced, shit happens and things change. It's called life, deal with it.

So when they said think Liverpool and game changing, they actually meant we've got someone who can help balance the books but there won't be any noticeable difference on the playing side.
In which case their comments were a bit misleading.

 

[davidblade]

So when they said think Liverpool and game changing, they actually meant we've got someone who can help balance the books but there won't be any noticeable difference on the playing side.
In which case their comments were a bit misleading.

Certainly misleading, one could say a lot worse!

 

[Harrisblade]

So when they said think Liverpool and game changing, they actually meant we've got someone who can help balance the books but there won't be any noticeable difference on the playing side.
In which case their comments were a bit misleading.

Well, it obviously misled some

'Think Liverpool rather than Manchester City. The Prince, like Mr McCabe has built a successful business from scratch and there are certain principles that he always adheres too'.
Yes, it wasn't Phipps' greatest quote, as I'm not sure Liverpool in 2013 were a shining example of sensible spending. But he didn't mean that our levels of spending would match Liverpool's, he was trying to dampen the level of expectation!

1973Blade has hit the nail on the head but it would have helped if everybody had remembered the whole quote and not the concocted 5-word slogan

 

[Snowman]

You can go back and check if you want. I was against Cluff being 'sacked' (by mutual agreement) grateful that Adkins was eventually booted out and that Weir was a swift mercy killing. We still have no details as to why Cluff went, none also on Wilson, or the mystery of Blackwell, although even you may suspect the lack of investment and ambition may have had some or other effect on their exit. The outcome remains the same. Managers terminated, them and their staff paid off. You didn't appoint them and neither did I. Yet throughout all of this, McCabe remains our savoir. Keep repeating it and eventually the clouds will open and rapture will take place. Halleuia!

My criticism and observation is: "what bullshit did McCabe feed these hapless fools when he offered them the job?" Adkins was moderately successful prior to him coming to the Lane, Clough went on to manage at a level above, while we remained in the league below.

pommpey

But you have missed the point. His post was about your reaction when the managers were appointed, not your stance when they were sacked or "mutually terminated". Can you go back and tell us whether you were a happy clappy Pompey on the appointment of Weir or Clough or Adkins?

 

[pommpey]

But you have missed the point. His post was about your reaction when the managers were appointed, not your stance when they were sacked or "mutually terminated". Can you go back and tell us whether you were a happy clappy Pompey on the appointment of Weir or Clough or Adkins?

With Weir, I was optimistic, but I think all of us were 'jury out' as he'd never managed on his own before at this level. First game against NCFC looked good, but it was clear after that we were well in the shit. With Cluff, for me, certainly it was a bold move and with such a named manager from the family pedigree it was clear we needed investment and squad cohesion and I was glad he'd had a reshuffle and got the team moving in the right direction up the table. Still none the wiser why he went. Any ideas?

Adkins I was less sure of. I did not see him as an improvement on Cluff who I would have thought given the right resources could have had us up in 2015-16. Yep, Adkins has 'history', but in limited spells and let's face it, expectation was high. It was also clear that Adkins (from the get-go) was never to be afforded the wherewithall to craft a promotion earning team.

I have never been a 'happy clappy pommpey' since Warnock was sacked and we fell out of the PL. Tell me one moment since then which has given you reason to be pretty confident, discounting the arrival of Wilder.

pommpey

 

[Harrisblade]

With Weir, I was optimistic, but I think all of us were 'jury out' as he'd never managed on his own before at this level. First game against NCFC looked good, but it was clear after that we were well in the shit. With Cluff, for me, certainly it was a bold move and with such a named manager from the family pedigree it was clear we needed investment and squad cohesion and I was glad he'd had a reshuffle and got the team moving in the right direction up the table. Still none the wiser why he went. Any ideas?

Adkins I was less sure of. I did not see him as an improvement on Cluff who I would have thought given the right resources could have had us up in 2015-16. Yep, Adkins has 'history', but in limited spells and let's face it, expectation was high. It was also clear that Adkins (from the get-go) was never to be afforded the wherewithall to craft a promotion earning team.

I have never been a 'happy clappy pommpey' since Warnock was sacked and we fell out of the PL. Tell me one moment since then which has given you reason to be pretty confident, discounting the arrival of Wilder.

pommpey

The first game against Notts County

 

[Bert]

But you have missed the point. His post was about your reaction when the managers were appointed, not your stance when they were sacked or "mutually terminated". Can you go back and tell us whether you were a happy clappy Pompey on the appointment of Weir or Clough or Adkins?

He didn't miss the point, he purposely didn't answer.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

The first game against Notts County

Manager builds all his plans around Kevin McDonald playing just behind the main striker,excellent performance and a very satisfying victory,days later man who team is built around departs

 

[pommpey]

The first game against Notts County

I thought it was okay. McDonald ran the show and we were well in charge.

Shame we flogged him, like.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

He didn't miss the point, he purposely didn't answer.

Pommpey hopes that Bert is happy now he has clarified the situation. See above.

It's becoming a bit habit-forming, having to clarify things to Bert. Like 'why I don't go to United games', for example.

pommpey

 

[Bert]

Pommpey hopes that Bert is happy now he has clarified the situation. See above.

It's becoming a bit habit-forming, having to clarify things to Bert. Like 'why I don't go to United games', for example.

pommpey

You no longer need to explain why you don't go to see United, you made it very clear that you will only go if somebody pays the entire cost for you.

 

[pommpey]

You no longer need to explain why you don't go to see United, you made it very clear that you will only go if somebody pays the entire cost for you.

No. Bert should pay attention. Pommpey knows it's difficult at times for Bert.

Pommpey said (clarifying, once again) that if individuals want him to fulfil their requirement to comment on issues within Sheffield United by attending games on a regular basis (which seems to be some people's measurement) then he'd appreciate it if they'd pay for his transport and hotel fees. No one has so far taken him up on this, so he assumes they aren't quite that committed to fulfilling their requirement.

Pommpey explained to Bert a couple of weeks ago - although one would possibly think it more than apparent - that a 450 miles round trip every weekend from PO12 to S2 is logistically impossible both in time and cost without such assistance. Pommpey seems to recall the penny dropping with Bert, which was nice. Pommpey also highlighted that some games this season are within reach and circumstances permitting, he might get to these games. Whether this will assuage the seething fury which exists in the souls of his detractors pommpey is not sure, but rest assured, pommpey really does not give one shuddering, fat fuck about this.

Hope Bert is (once again) suitably briefed on this. Pommpey is dead good at powerpoint and can knock up an infographic if needed?

pommpey

(is there some sort of auto-wank app which populates anything Bert posts with a Tunstall 'like' every time?)

 

[BushBlade]

So when they said think Liverpool and game changing, they actually meant we've got someone who can help balance the books but there won't be any noticeable difference on the playing side.
In which case their comments were a bit misleading.

No, it's not what they meant but it's how it's panned out. At the time they said it, there was enough money but since they said it, transfer fees and wages have gone up more than anyone anticipated. What may have been game changing at the time, just isn't anymore. That's not their fault.

What they can be 'blamed' for, is appointing a manager who'd built his reputation on slow and parsimonious building, giving him a load of money to do the job quickly and falling out with him when he didn't. What they can't be blamed for is the influx of foreign owners in the championship, in the main speculators, and the huge increase in parachute payments.

I did a list on here a couple of months ago showing which clubs in the championship had either parachute payments or new owners who were preparing to 'invest' heavily. It was something like two thirds of the clubs.

And of those clubs, only three of them will go up. We've just seen a meltdown at Brentford where they've cashed in on their best players. I predicted this about four years ago, on BM, when Benham was chucking his money at them and claiming to have reinvented the wheel. Like all owners, if you don't get 'success', i.e. promotion to the PL, owners tire of putting money in year after year. Every owner has a breaking point.

Most championship clubs are locked in a cycle where they get a new rich idiot owner, who gets rinsed of his money until he's had enough and sells. You can do millions a year to go from around 17th to 7th and you're still in the same league, still no nearer to the promised land of the championship.

But supporters (not just us, all supporters of championship clubs) see what the likes of Wolves, Brum, Villa, Boro, are spending and want some of that. We want to spend big and go up. But it's easy to ignore the others that spend big and don't go up (apart from the obvious one). It's easy to forget how much Forest spent under Doughty, how much Derby have spent since Clough got the boot, what a fucking shitshow Leeds have been for the past few years.

 

[CrookesBlade]

We don't need to have paid out big fees for these players to have cost a lot of money.

Problem is some people refuse to believe that players cost any more than their transfer fee.

 

[Snowman]

With Weir, I was optimistic, but I think all of us were 'jury out' as he'd never managed on his own before at this level. First game against NCFC looked good, but it was clear after that we were well in the shit. With Cluff, for me, certainly it was a bold move and with such a named manager from the family pedigree it was clear we needed investment and squad cohesion and I was glad he'd had a reshuffle and got the team moving in the right direction up the table. Still none the wiser why he went. Any ideas?

Adkins I was less sure of. I did not see him as an improvement on Cluff who I would have thought given the right resources could have had us up in 2015-16. Yep, Adkins has 'history', but in limited spells and let's face it, expectation was high. It was also clear that Adkins (from the get-go) was never to be afforded the wherewithall to craft a promotion earning team.

I have never been a 'happy clappy pommpey' since Warnock was sacked and we fell out of the PL. Tell me one moment since then which has given you reason to be pretty confident, discounting the arrival of Wilder.

pommpey

I have 2 moments. The first was the appointment of Clough who, following Weir I described as a "proper manager". The second was the appointment of Adkins who at the time seemed to be the best man for the job. With my limited football management knowledge I considered those to be good appointments by McCabe. I suspect, certainly with Clough so did you. However I also suspect that whilst I can't blame McCabe for sacking all three of those appointments, you seem to consider that the sacking of at least one was wrong and McCabe deserves criticism for it. Am I correct?

 

[pommpey]

I have 2 moments. The first was the appointment of Clough who, following Weir I described as a "proper manager". The second was the appointment of Adkins who at the time seemed to be the best man for the job. With my limited football management knowledge I considered those to be good appointments by McCabe. I suspect, certainly with Clough so did you. However I also suspect that whilst I can't blame McCabe for sacking all three of those appointments, you seem to consider that the sacking of at least one was wrong and McCabe deserves criticism for it. Am I correct?

I am not satisfied with the lack of explanation of the sacking of Cluff. Similarly Wilson and even Blackwell. All three had the capability for us to move onwards (with the right investment) and all three went suddenly and without reason. McCabe has never commented on it, and the managers also. Why not?

pommpey

 

[Bert]

I am not satisfied with the lack of explanation of the sacking of Cluff. Similarly Wilson and even Blackwell. All three had the capability for us to move onwards (with the right investment) and all three went suddenly and without reason. McCabe has never commented on it, and the managers also. Why not?

pommpey

Why should he?

 

[pommpey]

Problem is some people refuse to believe that players cost any more than their transfer fee.

No. I think the problem is that some refuse to acknowledge that in the past McCabe has been disingenuous with his proclamations. This may have resulted in him being more circumspect with regard what he says in future - the lack of comment on transfer sell-on bonuses kinda suggests this.

pommpey

 

[I should coco]

I am not satisfied with the lack of explanation of the sacking of Cluff. Similarly Wilson and even Blackwell. All three had the capability for us to move onwards (with the right investment) and all three went suddenly and without reason. McCabe has never commented on it, and the managers also. Why not?

Who do you think you are?

Aside from the fact that any settlements are confidential and may or may not contain gagging clauses, why should KM wash his dirty laundry in public?

So some part timer who goes to the odd away game but never puts any money into the Lane coffers, can be 'satisfied'?

I think not.

 

[Harrisblade]

I am not satisfied with the lack of explanation of the sacking of Cluff. Similarly Wilson and even Blackwell. All three had the capability for us to move onwards (with the right investment) and all three went suddenly and without reason. McCabe has never commented on it, and the managers also. Why not?

pommpey

Maybe we had something to do with it?
Or was the poisonous atmosphere at the Lane at home games (and on these boards) just prior to all 4 sackings (I include Adkins) simply an illusion?

 

[pommpey]

Why should he?

Oh Hi Burt! Hiya!

Pommpey hopes the explanations above are to Bert's satisfaction. As said, pommpey remians ready with the powerpoint, if not.

Why shouldn't he? Has he anything to hide regarding his professional relationship with Blackwell, Wilson or Cluff? Was there a disunity of objectives and how to achieve them? Or did McCabe just rock op and say 'clear your desk and fuck off' apropos of fuck all?

Does Bert know why they went? Or is it 'just one of those things', nothing to see here stuff? I mean, all three managers must have cost the club money and all that schizz.

pommpey

 

[Harrisblade]

Maybe we had something to do with it?
Or was the poisonous atmosphere at the Lane at home games (and on these boards) just prior to all 4 sackings (I include Adkins) simply an illusion?

Sorry, Blackwell was his hoof-ball, not pre-QPR, but post- following the result.

 

[pommpey]

Who do you think you are?

Aside from the fact that any settlements are confidential and may or may not contain gagging clauses, why should KM wash his dirty laundry in public?

So some part timer who goes to the odd away game but never puts any money into the Lane coffers, can be 'satisfied'?

I think not.

Ooooh! default button pressed. Billy big blade bollocks, and then some.

What if say, a season ticket holder asks the same question, coco? Or are they not allowed to ... in your world?

How's the campaign to free WWF from trolling going, love?

pommpey

 

[davidblade]

Even though it's been stated on here and elsewhere so many times, it still doesn't appear to have sunk in. A £2m player 5 years ago now costs £10m. It doesn't mean he's any better, he just costs more. It therefore follows that the overall standard of football in this division hasn't changed either. Is anyone telling me that the pigs team, for example, is any better than our triple assault team was? Is it fuck.

What we have, which the other teams don't, is an academy which rolls players out for a fraction of the cost of duds like Rhodes. In Brooks we have potentially the best player in the division. All we have to do is hang on to him. We also have a team ethos that the others in this league would die for.

Don't think Liverpool. Think Leicester or Huddersfield.

I was more thinking Rotherham

 

[I should coco]

Ooooh! default button pressed. Billy big blade bollocks, and then some.

What if say, a season ticket holder asks the same question, coco? Or are they not allowed to ... in your world?

Nope, KM isn't obliged to report to them (me) either.

Not so much 'Billy big blade bollocks'. more like 'Can-be-arsed-to-go-Blade'.

How's the campaign to free WWF from trolling going, love?

Badly, as you are still here.

 

[pommpey]

Nope, KM isn't obliged to report to them (me) either.

Not so much 'Billy big blade bollocks'. more like 'Can-be-arsed-to-go-Blade'.

I refer you to the reply to Bert's post. I'll mail you my bank account details. Saturday return from Portsmouth Harbour to Sheffield Midland, and don't spare the ponies, eh? Anytime Single (it's about £100-135 each way, and I'll appreciate a night in the Premier Inn at Moorfoot an' all, so I can go out on the piss in Sheffield after the match if you don't mind)

Don't you think your irreverent gobshiting about 'attending games' and 'being arsed to go' might be also aimed at more further afield exiled Blades, and those amongst the supporters who even live in Sheffield, who aren't a massive a Blade as you, who don't go, for whatever reason? You really don't think this out very well, do you coco? It's not really 'what I say' what makes you rooer so much. It's the fact that I don't go to as many games as you that has the tears streaming down your rosy cheeks. Aww. To that end, of those who broadly agree with my POV who do go to games, you have nowt to say. So who's trolling who, lovey? Seems like you have more issues going on that you care to admit.

Meanwhile, there's 'Think Liverpool' to discuss. Excuse me ...

pommpey

 

[I should coco]

Don't you think your irreverent gobshiting about 'attending games' and 'being arsed to go' might be also aimed at more further afield exiled Blades, and those amongst the supporters who even live in Sheffield, who aren't a massive a Blade as you, who don't go, for whatever reason? You really don't think this out very well, do you coco? It's not really 'what I say' what makes you rooer so much. It's the fact that I don't go to as many games as you that has the tears streaming down your rosy cheeks. Aww. To that end, of those who broadly agree with my POV who do go to games, you have nowt to say. So who's trolling who, lovey? Seems like you have more issues going on that you care to admit.

.....and breathe out........

 

[TopBoy]

When I "think Liverpool", I think of Brookside, and then I think of that lesbian kiss featuring Anna Friel.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

When I "think Liverpool", I think of Brookside, and then I think of that lesbian kiss featuring Anna Friel.

Echo and the Bunnymen,Marwoods last minute winner at Goodison and that kiss