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Danny04 said:
The more I read this, the more confused I am. The entire story is because of something written on Twitter? So pre-Twitter and Facebook we wouldn't be having this conversation?
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You'd be getting plenty of flak on your MySpace page. Or lots of graffiti on the bog walls. :D
 



HillmortonBlade said:
But surely anyone, publicly, saying something as disgusting as this deserves what is coming to them? Quite frankly, had he said something similar to me about mine, or about a friend of mine, a lifetime ban would be the least of his concerns. But just because some Blade, or fan of another tea, might say similar and get away with it does not make them or him any less culpable. I agree there might be hypocrisy, it should be sorted out. Social media is like the Wild West at times.

When one chooses to step across the Rubicon, then one has to accept the consequences.
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The thing is though I've never said he shouldn't get punished. And like you say, he can't grumble if he got some fist frankly.

However I think some people have their compass pointing squewiff. Many queue up to demand huge retribution for a vile comment but are happy to shrug off what I would perceive as worse such as cowardly bullying violence.

We've had a number of Blades celebrated on this board, some in death, who I've witnessed do some abhorrent things over the years at, and away from football. Far worse than a nasty vile comment.

Fair enough if we're going to take extreme action over these things then fine, but let's be consistent.

Someone at my company was sacked because of a vile FB comment about a copper getting killed. I didnt feel sorry for him but i found some of the people contacting the company to complain, and demand his sacking otherwise they would remove their business, utterly ridiculous.

He wasnt speakimg for the company and people had to dig into his profile for his place of work. Do they think every faceless back office employee at a huge company is faultless.

I don't for one minute think people should get away with some comments, but who decides what's punishable and to what severity.

He who cast the first stone and all that Biblical bollocks.
 
Sean Thornton said:
But then I'm not a journo making my living out of words.

Still, yet again, you've ignored both the question and the point.
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I'm not earning anything on here, it's a forum in my spare time. Sometimes, texting my missus, I don't use perfect English either. It happens
 
Davalon said:
The thing is though I've never said he shouldn't get punished. And like you say, he can't grumble if he got some fist frankly.

However I think some people have their compass pointing squewiff. Many queue up to demand huge retribution for a vile comment but are happy to shrug off what I would perceive as worse such as cowardly bullying violence.

We've had a number of Blades celebrated on this board, some in death, who I've witnessed do some abhorrent things over the years at, and away from football. Far worse than a nasty vile comment.

Fair enough if we're going to take extreme action over these things then fine, but let's be consistent.

Someone at my company was sacked because of a vile FB comment about a copper getting killed. I didnt feel sorry for him but i found some of the people contacting the company to complain, and demand his sacking otherwise they would remove their business, utterly ridiculous.

He wasnt speakimg for the company and people had to dig into his profile for his place of work. Do they think every faceless back office employee at a huge company is faultless.

I don't for one minute think people should get away with some comments, but who decides what's punishable and to what severity.

He who cast the first stone and all that Biblical bollocks.
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I am not a Twitter user, nor of any other social media either, this message board apart and I absolutely abhor the fact that people can spew their bile virtually without redress, so I'm pleased that DCFC acted swiftly and decisively. However, it just feels to me to be a disproportionately harsh punishment, presumably at least in part to discourage others from similar actions in the future.

As for knowing people who've done worse things in the past, the big difference these days is that there is nowhere to hide, if it's on social media, it's effectively a matter of public record and I imagine that over time, people will realise that and become a bit more circumspect about what they put out there.
 
Danny04 said:
I'm not earning anything on here, it's a forum in my spare time. Sometimes, texting my missus, I don't use perfect English either. It happens
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That's the wrong answer Danny. 'The quality of writing isn't measured by the accuracy of the spelling' is the correct response.
 
Bedrock Blade said:
Unless the perp has previous and DCFC have been lookng for an excuse to off load a twat, then a lifetime ban for this is completely over the top..
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No it isn't he is scum and deserves everything he gets. If they just slap him on the hands and say naughty boy he and others will think it's all ok and do it again. Punish hard and stop the problem.
 
Bladesway said:
No it isn't he is scum and deserves everything he gets. If they just slap him on the hands and say naughty boy he and others will think it's all ok and do it again. Punish hard and stop the problem.
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So where did I say a slap on the hand would surfice? 1 year, 2 years...maybe at a push 5 years but a lifetime??
 



Davalon said:
The thing is though I've never said he shouldn't get punished. And like you say, he can't grumble if he got some fist frankly.

However I think some people have their compass pointing squewiff. Many queue up to demand huge retribution for a vile comment but are happy to shrug off what I would perceive as worse such as cowardly bullying violence.

We've had a number of Blades celebrated on this board, some in death, who I've witnessed do some abhorrent things over the years at, and away from football. Far worse than a nasty vile comment.

Fair enough if we're going to take extreme action over these things then fine, but let's be consistent.

Someone at my company was sacked because of a vile FB comment about a copper getting killed. I didnt feel sorry for him but i found some of the people contacting the company to complain, and demand his sacking otherwise they would remove their business, utterly ridiculous.

He wasnt speakimg for the company and people had to dig into his profile for his place of work. Do they think every faceless back office employee at a huge company is faultless.

I don't for one minute think people should get away with some comments, but who decides what's punishable and to what severity.

He who cast the first stone and all that Biblical bollocks.
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Do you feel the same about the white supremacists in Charlottesville who have been identified and then have their employers hounded? Is being alt-right as bad/worse than laughing about a person's dead son?

Just writing that.. "a person's dead son."

Fuck that scum who wrote what he did.
 
Bedrock Blade said:
So where did I say a slap on the hand would surfice? 1 year, 2 years...maybe at a push 5 years but a lifetime??
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Yes because others will think twice before doing it again. Wow a lifetime not able to watch your football team? I'd have had him fronting up to Billy in person to explain himself as well.

I know you like being a bit contrary but this twat needs teaching a lesson. Hopefully he will struggle to get a job as well now, because I wouldn't employ a piece of shit like that.
 
Bladesway said:
Yes because others will think twice before doing it again. Wow a lifetime not able to watch your football team? I'd have had him fronting up to Billy in person to explain himself as well.

I know you like being a bit contrary but this twat needs teaching a lesson. Hopefully he will struggle to get a job as well now, because I wouldn't employ a piece of shit like that.
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You really believe other twats will think twice because of the severity of this twats punishment? It will be forgot about in a months time and the twats will continue to be twats.
Being contrary is nothing to do with it. I think a life time ban for this is too excessive.
 
The bloke was a thoughtless arsehole and he deserves a ban. Lets face it, who will miss him or the likes of him. No place for comments like that in a game of football.
 
Bedrock Blade said:
Unless the perp has previous and DCFC have been lookng for an excuse to off load a twat, then a lifetime ban for this is completely over the top..
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I see your point. It is excessive. The kid's tweet was unbelievable, so evil, heartless and the lowest of the low and has been rightly condemned on all sides, he certainly deserves some punishment, but compare his ban to this lad for the same thing last season:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38827978

He's been made an example of for sure, so hopefully this will never happen again, but some football fans are total idiots like the pricks who sing chants about hillsborough to Liverpool fans and singing songs about Munich to Man U fans. Football fans frighten me with their hatred sometimes.
 
Worksop II said:
I cant see it sticking to be honest, if either him, or someone around him gets their thinking head on they should be able to get it reduced

If I were him I would accept this Season is done, but quickly get an apology done to Billy and his Family

Wait till the close season and approach Derby about reducing the ban, maybe even get the help of Billy .........
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I believe in forgiveness so aswell as a shorter ban I'd get him to work for a couple of days unpaid for Billys sons charity and meet others families who have had children go through the same thing and see if that changed his mind about sending abusive messages to people about their dead children.

An apology would also be a good idea, and maybe doing some fundraising for his sons charity.
 
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Some of the stuff that goes off on social media under the umbrella of banter is pretty horrific and beyond what is acceptable nowadays.

I remember watching Fabrice Muamba dying in the pitch at White Hart Lane on my television before miraculously and effectively being brought back to life, and that was harrowing to see, yet some daft young lad saw fit to post an offensive tweet about it and he got a three month prison sentence,

Perhaps that should be the case in this instance, what he posted was deliberate offensive and designed to cause the maximum hurt to Billy Sharp, and a prison sentence would serve not only as a punishment but as a huge deterrent to anyone else who is prepared to plunge the same depths as this prick has,
 
HillmortonBlade said:
Do you feel the same about the white supremacists in Charlottesville who have been identified and then have their employers hounded? Is being alt-right as bad/worse than laughing about a person's dead son?

Just writing that.. "a person's dead son."

Fuck that scum who wrote what he did.
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Neither you nor I know exactly what kind of person this young kid is, or will turn out to be, that tweeted that.

I'm not defending his comment in the slightest, just questioning the severity of his ban and the hypocrisy of some of those celebrating it.

In response to your question I'd much rather take a gamble on a young lad who may well have made a drunken mistake he regrets in the heat of the moment, than a middle aged piece of scum who thinks the colour of his skin makes him superior.

Btw I used to live close to someone who is lauded amongst many Blades and is fairly well known to have done stuff at a later age that most would consider worse than 1 vile comment. Not seen or heard one person suggest he should ever have got any kind of ban from BDTBL, no matter how short.
 
Davalon said:
For some reason you've continued to pursue the idea that I don't think he did much wrong. I thought I'd made it clear what my view of the kid who did it was.

However I have to be honest and say I find there's a huge amount of hypocrisy on these things. As an example I've seen a handful of comments today on Facebook Blades group pages that have made me smile wryly. I called out one person in particular weeks ago for posting something equally as bad imo, who told me to get a life as it was just banter. That same person doesn't think Derbys ban is enough, and he needs more.

We've got at least one poster on this thread celebrating his punishment who has posted worse in years gone by.

Best part of 10 years ago I got punched in the back of the head on Bramall Lane whilst carrying my 4 year old son by an away fan. I had done nothing and had no interaction or eye contact with the bloke who did it. Plenty saw it and some grabbed him including the Police.

Bizarrely he was 50 with no previous and his excuse was that he'd had too much to drink. He received no ban at all from either his club or Police for what was a cowardly act on two counts. The attitude was that it was one mistake and drink was involved.

This young kid hasn't been given that.

How about a year ban and a public apology?

I don't support vile comments like this and I've called people out during my short time on here for less. I do know however that if a young Blade does similar the number of Blades calling for a lifetime ban or good kicking will dwindle by at least 75%.

It's internet mob rule that takes things to a new level. Nasty vile comments now have have people petitioning for you to lose your job, but far worse gets people finding excuses for you or turning a blind eye because it doesn't suit their political leaning.
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Well said Davalon. If it was a Blade it would be deemed acceptable to 50% "on here.
Still an evil little turd who deserves the life ban.
 
Davalon said:
For some reason you've continued to pursue the idea that I don't think he did much wrong. I thought I'd made it clear what my view of the kid who did it was.

However I have to be honest and say I find there's a huge amount of hypocrisy on these things. As an example I've seen a handful of comments today on Facebook Blades group pages that have made me smile wryly. I called out one person in particular weeks ago for posting something equally as bad imo, who told me to get a life as it was just banter. That same person doesn't think Derbys ban is enough, and he needs more.

We've got at least one poster on this thread celebrating his punishment who has posted worse in years gone by.

Best part of 10 years ago I got punched in the back of the head on Bramall Lane whilst carrying my 4 year old son by an away fan. I had done nothing and had no interaction or eye contact with the bloke who did it. Plenty saw it and some grabbed him including the Police.

Bizarrely he was 50 with no previous and his excuse was that he'd had too much to drink. He received no ban at all from either his club or Police for what was a cowardly act on two counts. The attitude was that it was one mistake and drink was involved.

This young kid hasn't been given that.

How about a year ban and a public apology?

I don't support vile comments like this and I've called people out during my short time on here for less. I do know however that if a young Blade does similar the number of Blades calling for a lifetime ban or good kicking will dwindle by at least 75%.

It's internet mob rule that takes things to a new level. Nasty vile comments now have have people petitioning for you to lose your job, but far worse gets people finding excuses for you or turning a blind eye because it doesn't suit their political leaning.
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Jon Ronson wrote a book on this topic asking why outrage and a herd mentality has led to a virtual set of stocks being set up and a demand to see retribution and throw things at someone who you don't know who upsets you on social media. It's remarkable how easy it is (in general) to generate an angry mob and essentially ruin someone's life.
 
Bedrock Blade said:
You really believe other twats will think twice because of the severity of this twats punishment? It will be forgot about in a months time and the twats will continue to be twats.
Being contrary is nothing to do with it. I think a life time ban for this is too excessive.
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Yes I do. It's the inconsistency of the punishments that are the issue. If everyone knew that they would receive a life ban there would be fewer doing it. For what it's worth I'd have his internet usage monitored for the next 5 years as well, but that would really upset the yoghurt knitters in the room.
 
This scum bag deserved his lifetime ban!!. You can't post stuff like that and assume that billy or his wife or a family member won't see it?. I've seen some of the stuff posted on twitter, Facebook and other social media outlets!!. People seem to think it's like sending a text to a friend!!. It doesn't work like that!. Unfortunately this twat forgot that and has paid a heavy price but he's not the first and won't be the last!!!. Utb
 



I think there needs to be some examples made of a few fans in terms of social media posting.

There's so much disgusting bile on a weekly basis, and this happens because they think they can get away with it.

We all get carried away, but if someone shows no remorse or refuses to apologise ban them for life.
 
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