Here we go again !

[beightonblade]

promises..........promises............promises.

Lets see if McCabe suprises us this time !

Me ........ i'm sitting back waiting for another 'kick in the teeth' .

What will it be McCabe ? ........AMBITIOUS ? or GIT ?

 

[Ballinpigpubs13]

promises..........promises............promises.

Lets see if McCabe suprises us this time !

Me ........ i'm sitting back waiting for another 'kick in the teeth' .

What will it be McCabe ? ........AMBITIOUS ? or GIT ?

Don't want to knock the bloke but it's looking like git. If we were ambitious we'd be the club going out buying the players that make you gasp and think bloody hell, how have we got them? Instead we are not even consolidating with what we have because it looks like we're selling Beats
I also don't like hearing from managers when they say "don't want to buy unless it's better than what's here already" that's crap and a cheap excuse of an answer. If we are ambitious, splash the cash and get a proven premiership player that's not in their current team itching to play.
Before you also add, ah well that will get the club into money worries, surely with the players released/ sold since the premier league days were not that bad off?

 

[Come from away]

Given that a big splash would cost millions and our 'soon to be lost old guys' may not make up one, it does seem a bit of a gap. Even at millions it is still a gamble. Most yelled for Howard but we still have not found a role for him - did not cost much but that was the real surprise.

 

[Mousey]

I also don't like hearing from managers when they say "don't want to buy unless it's better than what's here already" that's crap and a cheap excuse of an answer. If we are ambitious, splash the cash and get a proven premiership player that's not in their current team itching to play.
Before you also add, ah well that will get the club into money worries, surely with the players released/ sold since the premier league days were not that bad off?

But look at Reading/Wolves. They haven't gone and splashed the cash on Premier League players. They just went out and spent sensibly on very good Championship players. If we signed another "mega star" the pressure would be on him to produce everything rather than it being about the team playing well. I'd say that our player of the season so far was bought from a team facing relegation in the Championship at the point when we bought him (Kilgallon). He wasn't a star player but has gradually become one of our best players and an instant name on the team sheet.

I would rather we spent the money wisely and bought someone like Darren Flatley (sp?) from Swansea and Jamie Ward from Chesterfield. By no means are these 2 considered big stars so it wouldn't take the focus of United playing as a team as they should be doing.

 

[beightonblade]

I would rather we spent the money wisely

Me too..........................but the chances of that are about as good as 'our gert' throwing her Jimmy Choo's in the bin an replacing em wi Primark !

Look at the management side at BDTBL ! 'Our Terry'... Cheap as Chips ... Do we have a scouting team ? and then the big chief McCabe who yesterday said he don't know whats happening !!!....i've just flown in..... From what planet ?..... :cry:.... how about getting a Blackberry McCabe ?........yer couldn't make it up !.........cud yer ?

Yer running out of hiding places McCabe !

 

[Sensiblade]

But look at Reading/Wolves. They haven't gone and splashed the cash on Premier League players. They just went out and spent sensibly on very good Championship players. If we signed another "mega star" the pressure would be on him to produce everything rather than it being about the team playing well. I'd say that our player of the season so far was bought from a team facing relegation in the Championship at the point when we bought him (Kilgallon). He wasn't a star player but has gradually become one of our best players and an instant name on the team sheet.

I would rather we spent the money wisely and bought someone like Darren Flatley (sp?) from Swansea and Jamie Ward from Chesterfield. By no means are these 2 considered big stars so it wouldn't take the focus of United playing as a team as they should be doing.

I agree with that and that imo is what Blackie has been saying when he says no player is bigger than Sheffiled United.
Another player who could be up for player of the season cost us nothing in transfer fee's - Kyle Naughton - so I don't see the need to splash loads of cash on players just to 'look ambitious'.
Big name signings tend to bring big ego's (Beattie seems to not have one which is a change from most tp players) and can cause disruption among the rest of the squad.
Signingplayers that can do the job's they are asked to do is the most important thing, we could sign someone fom Alfreton Town for all I care so long as they do the job and play well.
I'll also not be quite so selective in which part of your post I cut & quote

 

[Pastyblade]

But look at Reading/Wolves. They haven't gone and splashed the cash on Premier League players. They just went out and spent sensibly on very good Championship players. If we signed another "mega star" the pressure would be on him to produce everything rather than it being about the team playing well. I'd say that our player of the season so far was bought from a team facing relegation in the Championship at the point when we bought him (Kilgallon). He wasn't a star player but has gradually become one of our best players and an instant name on the team sheet.

I would rather we spent the money wisely and bought someone like Darren Flatley (sp?) from Swansea and Jamie Ward from Chesterfield. By no means are these 2 considered big stars so it wouldn't take the focus of United playing as a team as they should be doing.

Yeah but where will Reading and Wolves be if they get up?

Most teams are straight up and straight down.

Trouble is what we need is not just 1 star but 1/2 a dozen of them. Maybe then we'd have a chance not only of getting up but staying up when we get there.

You can look at Hull and say the opposite is possible, but when was the last time a team did a Hull and went up from the Championship and then performed magnificantly in the Premiership? I bet its a long time ago to find the last one.

Fact is simple most teams who do go up are straight back down because they're simply outclassed without 5 or 6 top buys when they get there.

As for getting there, whilst ever you have a team of Championship quality players its always going to be a gamble - it took United 10 years last time! The only way to guarantee promotion is not to have 1 James Beattie but 1/2 a team of them and that means someone flushing the moths out of his wallet!

 

[Foxy]

Fact is simple most teams who do go up are straight back down because they're simply outclassed without 5 or 6 top buys when they get there.

As for getting there, whilst ever you have a team of Championship quality players its always going to be a gamble - it took United 10 years last time! The only way to guarantee promotion is not to have 1 James Beattie but 1/2 a team of them and that means someone flushing the moths out of his wallet!

A team half full of anything above "Championship quality" players as you put it is VERY expensive however. We were lucky in getting James Beattie in the first place. Despite paying him plenty he took a cut and dropped a division, how many players do that?

It's all well and good saying that people need to flush moths out of their wallet... who brought Beattie in the first place? who put us in a position to be able to do that? how many times have we done it in our history?

It's all very easy chucking money around and having the football manager mentality, but it doesn't work like that.

If people want to see a team full of players they can pick and choose as good enough then sadly you'll have to become a Man United or Man City fan, its not really doing the latter much good at the moment though is it?

 

[Come from away]

It's much more fun being a Blade.

 

[Pastyblade]

I know Foxy, its more easily said than done but United have had Premiership parachute payments for the last 3 years whilst in the Championship. That alone should have put them in a position to splash out on a few top class players to give a realistic chance of getting back. What have we done, very little Beattie aside. I know there are 2 elements here, club and player and both need to agree, but I haven't even seen any signs of us looking for any other top notch players beyond Beattie. Which in my opinion says the parachute payments have just been a nice little earner for the club which has been running at Championship level on Premiership money.

 

[Sensiblade]

I know Foxy, its more easily said than done but United have had Premiership parachute payments for the last 3 years whilst in the Championship. That alone should have put them in a position to splash out on a few top class players to give a realistic chance of getting back. What have we done, very little Beattie aside. I know there are 2 elements here, club and player and both need to agree, but I haven't even seen any signs of us looking for any other top notch players beyond Beattie. Which to me says the parachute payments have just been a nice little earner for the club which has been running at Championship level on Premiership money.

Did you know Derby also had the parachute payments and had spent them before the next season had started, look a them now not really going anywhere. Charlton had the same and they are even worse off.
Big wages with or without parachute payments can lead to financial disaster and mcCabe has said all along he won't let that happen to United.

 

[Foxy]

I know Foxy, its more easily said than done but United have had Premiership parachute payments for the last 3 years whilst in the Championship.

Parachute payments are put in place to support relegated clubs finances from crashing due to the increased financial strain from relegation. IE - higher running costs from being in premier league but lower revenue from being in the championship.

They aren't for splashing out on players and big contracts.

I haven't even seen any signs of us looking for any other top notch players beyond Beattie.

What signs did you see to suggest we were going to sign Beattie? Clubs can't realistically conduct their business in the press and in the public eye, hence our usual silence on such matters.

Which in my opinion says the parachute payments have just been a nice little earner for the club which has been running at Championship level on Premiership money.

With increased wages due to our time in the Premier League and high earners such as Beattie, Hendrie etc on the books.

Just what top players do you think we could have realistically brought in and on what wages?

 

[beightonblade]

Did you know Derby also had the parachute payments and had spent them before the next season had started, look a them now not really going anywhere. Charlton had the same and they are even worse off.
Big wages with or without parachute payments can lead to financial disaster and mcCabe has said all along he won't let that happen to United.

Go an have a look at the post on BU about income and expenditure at BDTBL.
Yer might learn sumat.

 

[beightonblade]

Just have a look through the squad and see how much money has been WASTED.

 

[matth]

Maybe, as a football club, it wouldn't be without the realms of sensibility to spend money on players rather than other clubs.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - I support Sheffield United Football Club, not a plc, not Ferencvaros, not Chengdu Blades, not whatever community thing we've just built, however laudable.

 

[Pastyblade]

Big wages with or without parachute payments can lead to financial disaster and mcCabe has said all along he won't let that happen to United.

Not if United had acted immediately following the drop. They could have signed big names on big money (availability of players allowing) on 3 year contracts. Then this year if we hadn't gone back up, it wouldn't have mattered as they'd have all been out of contract and we could have simply released them, financial crisis avoided.

 

[Sensiblade]

Not if United had acted immediately following the drop. They could have signed big names on big money (availability of players allowing) on 3 year contracts. Then this year if we hadn't gone back up, it wouldn't have mattered as they'd have all been out of contract and we could have simply released them, financial crisis avoided.

If's and But's.
That didn't happen so can't happen.

and to Beighton a link to the thread mentioned would be good as I don't go on Blades United as the thread structure is near unreadable.

But if your maths on other threads is anything to go by

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Don't want to knock the bloke but it's looking like git. If we were ambitious we'd be the club going out buying the players that make you gasp and think bloody hell, how have we got them? Instead we are not even consolidating with what we have because it looks like we're selling Beats
I also don't like hearing from managers when they say "don't want to buy unless it's better than what's here already" that's crap and a cheap excuse of an answer. If we are ambitious, splash the cash and get a proven premiership player that's not in their current team itching to play.
Before you also add, ah well that will get the club into money worries, surely with the players released/ sold since the premier league days were not that bad off?

The last time a team made me react to signings like that was L**ds under O'Leary and Ridsdale. Mmmmm, I wonder whatever happened to them? Spend what you haven't got and you end up in trouble just like errr most banks in the world at the moment. Speculate to accumulate in football just doesn't work because aside from the top 4 the outlay and expenditure (transfer fees, but more significantly salaries), mitigates against strong profit possibilities.

 

[Come from away]

Spending big can still leave you with a lot of money sitting on the bench (Keene, Tevez) and does not automatically buy you anything.

 

[beightonblade]

But if your maths on other threads is anything to go by

and whats wrong wi my maths ?

 

[Pastyblade]

If's and But's.
That didn't happen so can't happen.

and to Beighton a link to the thread mentioned would be good as I don't go on Blades United as the thread structure is near unreadable.

But if your maths on other threads is anything to go by

No its too later to go back granted. But it makes you question the business acumen of some at the club when a fan can see something that the hardened businessmen at the club don't appear to have seen / considered but thats so obvious.

Even this last year, something could have been done albeit it would have been much harder to persuade people to come on 1 year contracts. That said, there's always people out of favour who are simply looking for a chance to play 1st team football and showcase themselves for a bounce back into a top club. We've had enough at United in the past who've stayed for a short term then having shown what they're capable of have been off at the 1st offer. Why not use them for a change to our advantage in a last ditch move?