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Giving the BLUT, rather than lower, to away fans who can fill it would seem a reasonable compromise ?
 



This Safety Committee bollocks is nothing short of laughable.

We have a stand that holds nearly 3000 but we can't sell nearly 700 seats. What's changed since the Prem season? This season there are many games where we could allow the away club thousands of tickets. Fair play to the club for keeping BLUT for home fans, but they're being let down by this committee who are effectively denying trade for no good reason imho.

As for our attendances, some people either have short memories or are new to the game.

Our crowds in general have been excellent in recent years, and far higher than I would have predicted 6 years ago if you'd told me what was going to happen on the pitch.
 
blademark said:
Giving the BLUT, rather than lower, to away fans who can fill it would seem a reasonable compromise ?
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You want to give away fans less seats ?

There are approximately 2,700 seats in the upper tier (does not include the Westfield corner), and 2,992 in the lower tier.
 
ChipButtyBlade said:
You want to give away fans less seats ?

There are approximately 2,700 seats in the upper tier (does not include the Westfield corner), and 2,992 in the lower tier.
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Apologies I always thought the BLUT held more than that.
 
JordoBlade said:
An average of around 26k wouldn't be bad but I just expected more closer to a sell out on our 1st game back in the 2nd tier and a local derby. Haven't a clue why away fans are only getting roughly 2300 when we should be cashing in on some potentially large away followings this season.
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An average gate of c.26,000 for a club that has just spent 6 years in the soul-destroying 3rd division, and who realistically, appear to have the limited aspiration of just establishing themselves in the second tier this season, would be outstanding.

For comparison, the Pigs averaged 24,000 after getting back after 2 seasons in the 3rd, and that was with the help of some away followings of c. 5,000 from Leeds, Derby, Forest, and even Rotherham. In the 3 seasons after the first one back, the Pigs averaged 21,000, 21,000 and 22,000.
 
blademark said:
Giving the BLUT, rather than lower, to away fans who can fill it would seem a reasonable compromise ?
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Should give 'em BL upper & lower when demand justifies it. Availing the upper tier to about 200 of our fans instead (as for the Barnsley match) is nothing short of cutting your nose off to spite your face. Should only limit them to the lower tier when a sell out looks likely, e.g. piggies or the scum

Can't even blame SYP or SAG for this one.
 
LS16Blade said:
An average gate of c.26,000 for a club that has just spent 6 years in the soul-destroying 3rd division, and who realistically, appear to have the limited aspiration of just establishing themselves in the second tier this season, would be outstanding.

For comparison, the Pigs averaged 24,000 after getting back after 2 seasons in the 3rd, and that was with the help of some away followings of c. 5,000 from Leeds, Derby, Forest, and even Rotherham. In the 3 seasons after the first one back, the Pigs averaged 21,000, 21,000 and 22,000.
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I'm not saying it isn't, I just expected bigger gates for our 1st game back and a local derby.
 
snootyfenooty said:
Should give 'em BL upper & lower when demand justifies it. Availing the upper tier to about 200 of our fans instead (as for the Barnsley match) is nothing short of cutting your nose off to spite your face. Should only limit them to the lower tier when a sell out looks likely, e.g. piggies or the scum

Can't even blame SYP or SAG for this one.
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The problem is if demand was that high for away fans it would probably be that high for home fans too

If teams were given the upper tier as well it means that the corner would be closed plus about 10 rows on section G-H plus further segregation on John Street.

This would punish United as it would be our own fans that would have to go without tickets

It's fucking pathetic
 
JJBlade said:
22,000 against Man City when we beat them 4-2 was one of the dodgiest ever attendances

There wasn't a seat spare that day and that was when away fans got the upper and lower tier

Also 17000 against Newcastle in the League Cup tie that we won 3-0
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Swansea at home last match under Bassett.....15k couldn't move on kop
 
LS26BLADE said:
West Ham at home first game of new Kop 91-92 they gave ridiculous crowd the Lane was rammed that night.
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The home game against Norwich after they'd took the roof off

There was about 30 million on the kop alone

Incidentally, how did we manage to open the kop that day bearing in mind we can't have a capacity crowd in 2017 because it's unsafe

I wonder how many died that day that I don't know about
 
Ticket office staff outnumbered me today about 10-1, very quiet. My first match of season. Couldn't get my usual seat number on the kop or anywhere near it so....

26,421
 



JJBlade said:
The problem is if demand was that high for away fans it would probably be that high for home fans too

If teams were given the upper tier as well it means that the corner would be closed plus about 10 rows on section G-H plus further segregation on John Street.

This would punish United as it would be our own fans that would have to go without tickets

It's fucking pathetic
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The whole arrangement is pathetic and we are being made to pay for the pigs' sins and the subsequent paranoia that has suddenly developed at SYP & SAG. However, we did keep the Westfield corner last season when we gave the away fans the upper tier. JS & H block are segregated now as only season tickets are admitted to these areas. They were both half empty for the first two matches. POD tickets are always unavailable on the website. If United's hand is being forced they should tell the fans in what way, at least they would avoid the flack from the fans this way.
 
Sod away fans. If we have 5k to away fans atmosphere would be like a home match for them.

Appreciate the lost income but we need to keep/make BDTBL intimidating. Giving 5k to big teams will not do that.

I sit in Westfield health and with (limited) home fans in upper tier the atmosphere is so much better.
 
LS16Blade said:
An average gate of c.26,000 for a club that has just spent 6 years in the soul-destroying 3rd division, and who realistically, appear to have the limited aspiration of just establishing themselves in the second tier this season, would be outstanding.

For comparison, the Pigs averaged 24,000 after getting back after 2 seasons in the 3rd, and that was with the help of some away followings of c. 5,000 from Leeds, Derby, Forest, and even Rotherham. In the 3 seasons after the first one back, the Pigs averaged 21,000, 21,000 and 22,000.
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WisewBlade89 said:
Baffles me how we sell 30k for cheesy last game last year , but only 23/24 for brentfird and dingles , wher r u lets b Avin u
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JordoBlade said:
I just expected bigger gates for our 1st game back and a local derby.
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Summer holidays, chaps. On my own I know lots of people who were away for Brentford and/or Dingles, and several who are away for Derby.
 
Rusty view said:
Sod away fans. If we have 5k to away fans atmosphere would be like a home match for them.

Appreciate the lost income but we need to keep/make BDTBL intimidating. Giving 5k to big teams will not do that.

I sit in Westfield health and with (limited) home fans in upper tier the atmosphere is so much better.
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I've always maintained that away fan allocations should be on a reciprocal basis. It's no point us whining about our allocations at some grounds when we are doing the same. All it would take to organise is a couple of emails to each club in the division before the season starts. The only exceptions would be clubs with poxy little grounds.
 
snootyfenooty said:
I've always maintained that away fan allocations should be on a reciprocal basis. It's no point us whining about our allocations at some grounds when we are doing the same. All it would take to organise is a couple of emails to each club in the division before the season starts. The only exceptions would be clubs with poxy little grounds.
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But that's totally illogical.
Each and every club has a totally different set of circumstances.
Different finances, different stadium capacities, different safety restrictions, different ambitions etc etc

Last season we only allowed MK Dons a max of 2,200 for their game at Bramall Lane.

So using your logic, even though there would have been over 20,000 EMPTY seats at the MK Dons stadium for our match last season they should only have given us 2,200 seats too when demand was over 10K.

Ipswich Town have this season tried a reciprocal agreement regards away pricing.
They emailed all Champiomship clubs to explain they'll charge away fans £25 at their ground if other clubs do the same for their fans.
I believe 15 clubs have agreed the arrangement, that's probably more fair.
 
Sheffsteel said:
But that's totally illogical.
Each and every club has a totally different set of circumstances.
Different finances, different stadium capacities, different safety restrictions, different ambitions etc etc

Last season we only allowed MK Dons a max of 2,200 for their game at Bramall Lane.

So using your logic, even though there would have been over 20,000 EMPTY seats at the MK Dons stadium for our match last season they should only have given us 2,200 seats too when demand was over 10K.
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It's your logic that is illogical. You give them as many as they need up to the maximum agreed. In MK's case they would have taken half of the BL Upper or Lower and been happy with that.
 
Demand for away tickets depends on how each club is doing and the time of year we play them

Derby will get their 2300 tickets for a relatively unimportant game today and not make too much fuss about it, but if we were playing them in late April and they needed points for a promotion challenge they would want several thousand tickets.
 
snootyfenooty said:
It's your logic that is illogical. You give them as many as they need up to the maximum agreed. In MK's case they would have taken half of the BL Upper or Lower and been happy with that.
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Agree but neither Sheff Utd or MK Dons would have been happy if we were only allowed 2,200 tickets at the MK Dons stadium based on a pre season reciprocal agreement. Also to be fair clubs should give priority to their own fans, if there's demand in the home areas then why would you restrict you own fans to allow more away fans.

Also regards differing stadium designs and segregation issues I doubt clubs could agree an away allocation figure and there's the risk of seats sat there being unused which would be an example of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

It's difficult to come up with a better system than what we have now.
 



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