This proven Championship striker with pace

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Bladezz said:
Just stop writing rubbish mate. We're in the championship now a half decent season people demand £5+million. Look at the money Barnsley have been getting.
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But a lot depends on how valued the player is by their parent club. We signed Jack O Connell and Simon Moore for very little from Championship clubs. If a player is not in their club’s plans, their wages are a hindrance and the selling club is generally willing to accept a much lower sum than if it were a first team player.
 
Bladezz said:
Blackman last season. 29 games 1 goals for a decent derby side.

He went to Derby for £2.5million according to Soccerbase. So I guess they would want to recoup that money.

He turned down big spending pigs, so his wages would be high.

But if we managed to pay a fortune in wages and in Fees. He's no better than Lavery. Last time lavery was there he scored 6 in 34. Would be a big waste of money.

Anyone else?
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29 games many of which he was on the bench or on the wing. Last season’s scoring record isn’t really a reflection on what he would do playing up front for us. I agree wages might prove a barrier. Derby may or may not want to recoup their fee. On one hand, the market has boomed since then so he could be worth more. On the other hand, it’s a signing that hasn’t worked out as he hasn’t hit the heights there that he did at Reading and there’s no guarantee he features in the manager’s plans. Also, if his wages are high, they might be very keen to get him off the wage bill.
 
blade too long said:
HES STILL ONLY SCORED 11 LEAGUE GOALS SINCE LEAVING US 4 YEARS AGO

HES SHITE 2.75 goals a year
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Except that your stat is absolute bullshit. He scored 22 goals during his time at Reading. 11 of those in less than a season. 23 goals since he left us 4 years ago. Still less than 6 per season but if you consider him a winger rather than a striker then that’s not a bad return at this level.
 
blade too long said:
ALL 3 have played in the championship, so would be options as much as any player you care to mention, and CW chose them once , would argue hed look at them again which is the only choice Id care to believe in Hes offered them contracts now , has he not
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He chose them for fees averaging around £200k a pop. 2 of them whilst we were in League 1. He now has them so will try to get the best out of them. Don’t be fooled into thinking that if he could have a proven championship striker, he would turn it down.
 
blade too long said:
the fact being names were being offered to replace what we have , one of which being on your list
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That 1 being on the list of doing it in the league below, also being the wrong side of 30. Also, I don’t think anyone is saying that a new striker should replace Sharp but would, in most people’s mind, partner him.
 
blade too long said:
well ched didnt ask for the 6 year break, it was foisted on him in error

think of 5 or 600 players thats had similar to 3 year breaks from the championship
saints players forest players leeds players millwall players charlton players and even some of those we are still after havent played in the championship, but are good enough

ask yourself how did preston manage and huddersfield, brentford even piggies . dont remember any of those spending 20 million in their first season up

lets emulate wednesdays first season back in buys to stay up
Position Player Transferred from Fee Date Source
GK Chris Kirkland Wigan Athletic Free 24 May 2012 [137]
DF Kieran Lee Oldham Athletic Free 1 July 2012 [138]
DF Joe Mattock West Bromwich Albion Free 1 July 2012 [8]
DF Anthony Gardner Crystal Palace Free 1 July 2012 [13]
FW Chris Maguire Derby County Undisclosed 1 July 2012 [139]
MF Diogo Amado União Leiria Free 10 July 2012 [20]
MF Nejc Pečnik Nacional Free 16 July 2012 [140]
MF Rhys McCabe Rangers Undisclosed 30 July 2012 [28]
MF Michail Antonio Reading Undisclosed 6 August 2012 [31]
MF Danny Mayor Preston North End Undisclosed 17 August 2012 [37]
MF Paul Corry University College Dublin Undisclosed 28 August 2012 [45]
DF Martin Taylor Watford Undisclosed 31 August 2012 [50]
GK Adam Davies Free Agent Free 23 October 2012 [141]

reading that our buys now look bloody fantastic
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I’ve no problem with our buys. I think we’ll stay up. Comparing to the pigs who scraped survival by the skin of their teeth in the first 2 seasons I see. They also brought in big names like Boothroyd, Barkley etc. on loan during that time. Rightly or wrongly, some of us are setting our sights slightly higher than scraping just over 50 points to survive. I think we already have enough to do that. I hope we’ll unearth a striker from somewhere who can take us on a level to allow us to achieve more than that.
 
blade too long said:
in hard figures

ched has scored 23 in 98 championship games in his career 1 in 4 near enough
and one prem goal in 3

blackman has scored 18 in 97 1 in 5

speaks for itself
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But Blackman has played a huge chunk of those games as a winger as opposed to a striker. I remember you making the same ridiculous comparison between Porter and Murphy when we sold him. Though for what it’s worth, I agree. The Ched Evans of old would be a better option than Nick Blackman. When he was sent down and replaced by Blackman, we were worse off for it. BUT…. We’re not signing the Ched Evans of old. We’ve got the one who has suffered a 4 year enforced absence from the game. That has definitely taken it’s toll. We are all hoping that CW and his team can get him back to being the Evans of old but it’s a long shot.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
Still less than 6 per season but if you consider him a winger rather than a striker then that’s not a bad return at this level.
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Except that this thread is supposed to be recommending proven Championship strikers, not wingers.

Actually it makes the OP's point very well. We have gone round in circles for 8 pages and still not managed to come up with any realistic affordable targets.
 

Looking at this I think dicko is the exact kind of player we need as he has the mixture of pace and strength that makes him a defenders nightmare and he would pull the oppositions defence everywhere. As long as he's not too injury prone I think he's a great shout
 
I should coco said:
Except that this thread is supposed to be recommending proven Championship strikers, not wingers.

Actually it makes the OP's point very well. We have gone round in circles for 8 pages and still not managed to come up with any realistic affordable targets.
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To be fair, he can play both positions but if you look at his record whilst playing on the wing comparing it to someone playing up front, it's not a fair comparison. He scored 11 for us playing (mostly) up front. He scored 11 in 25 during a spell at Reading where I think he was playing up front. Better than 1 in 2 strike rate for Motherwell (I know it's Scotland but still...). It shows he has had periods where he's had good returns but has played a lot of his career on the wing and was starting less than half of the games he featured in whilst at Derby which should also be taken into account.

I kind of agree with the OP, there isn't generally value for money in the championship and we don't have loads of it to play with (compared to many at this level). Personally, I'd rather see us take a punt on someone like Scott Kashket at Wycombe maybe. A young player in the lower leagues who has shown some promise and has pace. I think trying to catch a player before they're proven is our only chance of ending up with a top championship striker. That's where the scouts come into play. Let's hope they can identify one.
 
dannysufc_ said:
That isn't what I said though is it?

He's more proven than Dominic Solanke who's never played in England. That's for certain.
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He is in the Championship certainly. Zero chance of him coming to us on loan mind.
 



I should coco said:
Except that this thread is supposed to be recommending proven Championship strikers, not wingers.

Actually it makes the OP's point very well. We have gone round in circles for 8 pages and still not managed to come up with any realistic affordable targets.
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Yes we have. Just because the OP doesnt consider them realistic or affordable doesn't mean they aren't.
 
dannysufc_ said:
A few posters on a forum consider them not realistic. Brilliant evidence.
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Actually there are more of us on this thread who can't find these 'wonder buys' than those that can. Not 'evidence' in the sense that a court might recognise but then again there is no 'proof' in football about what makes a good player.

As far as I can see, you've dredged up a few has-beens and unobtainables and now want a medal.

Even Mutley had to do more than that.
 
I should coco said:
Actually there are more of us on this thread who can't find these 'wonder buys' than those that can. Not 'evidence' in the sense that a court might recognise but then again there is no 'proof' in football about what makes a good player.

As far as I can see, you've dredged up a few has-beens and unobtainables and now want a medal.

Even Mutley had to do more than that.
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What are the has beens?
And how do you decide what is unobtainable? Are you part of our negotiating team?
 
I should coco said:
Actually there are more of us on this thread who can't find these 'wonder buys' than those that can. Not 'evidence' in the sense that a court might recognise but then again there is no 'proof' in football about what makes a good player.

As far as I can see, you've dredged up a few has-beens and unobtainables and now want a medal.

Even Mutley had to do more than that.
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Flatulent_Bob said:
One season in the second tier isn't proven in England. There is long line of one season wonders that support that theory.
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Generally I'd agree but when we're talking about a kid who's had 1 season of senior football and smashed it at championship level, I'd say the next natural step is to be tested in the Prem.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
Generally I'd agree but when we're talking about a kid who's had 1 season of senior football and smashed it at championship level, I'd say the next natural step is to be tested in the Prem.
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Precisely. And if the likes of Chris Wood and Forestieri didn't cost upwards of 10mil more Prem sides would take a chance on them.
 
I should coco said:
Daryl Murphy isn't exactly one for the future is he (and it is "Who" btw).



Solanke - I rest my case.



What 'negotiating team' is this then?
Brexit?
The provision of Palestinian homelands?
Sheffield's 2156 Olympic bid?
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Daryl Murphy is going to Forest for 2mil. He peaked late. He isn't a has been at all.

Solanke on loan isn't unobtainable. You've probably never heard of him until this thread came along.

Ah, dodging the point. Brilliant. You have no idea as much as I what we can and can't spend on a striker.

I see you didn't mention Dicko in the unobtainables or has beens - since they're your two brackets. Where does he fit?
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
Fair enough, we know where your bar is set for a proven forward in England.
I think it's considerably lower than most neutral observers.
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He is proven in English football. That's all I said. I didn't specify what level, it's you who came along and did that.

I was comparing him to Dominic Solanke who has never played a first team game in England. The next natural step in championship on loan.
 
I should coco said:
Daryl Murphy isn't exactly one for the future is he (and it is "Who" btw).



Solanke - I rest my case.



What 'negotiating team' is this then?
Brexit?
The provision of Palestinian homelands?
Sheffield's 2156 Olympic bid?
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I suspect you're probably right about Solanke being unobtainable to be honest. His name's been doing the rounds for a while and he might get on the fringes of the Liverpool side. Probably would have to look at someone a year younger on less money. Obviously, without going and watching U23 games across the country, I don't know who the promising ones are. Hopefully we will have scouts that do.
 



1danewhitehouse said:
Generally I'd agree but when we're talking about a kid who's had 1 season of senior football and smashed it at championship level, I'd say the next natural step is to be tested in the Prem.
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Agreed, but as you've written yourself, he's still needs testing to prove himself.
By Danny's reckoning Evans is proven in the Championship because of that one season with Norwich even though he's not got within a mile of it since. I disagree and I can't see Solenke playing for a club like us this season, in fact I can't see him leaving the Premiership.
 
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