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dannysufc_ said:
Yawn.

Not really slagging the club off. And 're emerged' would imply that I ever disappeared... forgot we weren't allowed an opinion on a player. If you think Hanson is good enough fair enough - I'm happy enough to revisit this in January when we all decide he isn't good enough.

He was a good but short sighted signing for league one for me. End of story as far as I'm concerned.
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Normally agree with many of your posts.
I know what you mean about Hanson but it's not a fair reflection.

I remember the Fleetwood home match and their tactics showed a clear blueprint how to best us everytime.
Defend really deep with big men in the middle.
Defending deep means they deny space for Duffy and co to play their smart though balls.
Big physical defenders will make mincemeat of Sharp, Lavery and Clarke (who was surprisingly lightweight in early months). The tactic was don't worry about us having plenty of the ball but break positively at speed in numbers. Fleetwood beat us 2-0 but it could easily have been a deserved 3-0.

I left that match concerned because a team had found our weakness of no pace or physicality up top.

Then we sign Hanson and all of a sudden our weakness has gone.
Teams can sit back and park the bus but sooner or later Hanson will force a mistake.

Also EEL height and physicality was a vital component of our defence. When he was dropped I noticed that it was Hanson dropping deep defending corners and free kicks (he was the reason we didn't miss EEL).

Basically I agree Hansons lack ability but he WAS really effective when teams defended deep in numbers (which many did in league 1) and he helped us win promotion. He's a great joker in the pack (a tactical option) that you can bring on to ruffle some feathers when teams sit back hoping to frustrate us. Also if we're having an off day where nothing is working we go back to basics and bring on Hanson playing it long.
 



Sheffsteel said:
Normally agree with many of your posts.
I know what you mean about Hanson but it's not a fair reflection.

I remember the Fleetwood home match and their tactics showed a clear blueprint how to best us everytime.
Defend really deep with big men in the middle.
Defending deep means they deny space for Duffy and co to play their smart though balls.
Big physical defenders will make mincemeat of Sharp, Lavery and Clarke (who was surprisingly lightweight in early months). The tactic was don't worry about us having plenty of the ball but break positively at speed in numbers. Fleetwood beat us 2-0 but it could easily have been a deserved 3-0.

I left that match concerned because a team had found our weakness of no pace or physicality up top.

Then we sign Hanson and all of a sudden our weakness has gone.
Teams can sit back and park the bus but sooner or later Hanson will force a mistake.

Also EEL height and physicality was a vital component of our defence. When he was dropped I noticed that it was Hanson dropping deep defending corners and free kicks (he was the reason we didn't miss EEL).

Basically I agree Hansons lack ability but he WAS really effective when teams defended deep in numbers (which many did in league 1) and he helped us win promotion. He's a great joker in the pack (a tactical option) that you can bring on to ruffle some feathers when teams sit back hoping to frustrate us. Also if we're having an off day where nothing is working we go back to basics and bring on Hanson playing it long.
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I agree if you've checked the signing of Hanson was a good one for League One, he gave us another option cos with Clarke at the time really wasn't working. He helped us win a few games and got us asking defenders different types of questions - but defenders at this level are bigger, quicker and more clever. I would love to be proven wrong but I can't see it at all.

At the time I thought it was short sighted and that doesn't change now for me. I would've preferred we signed Charlie Wyke who we were linked with from Carlisle who ended up being Hansons replacement at Bradford. Big, strong, tough and young with goals and potential to improve.

I don't dislike him as a bloke, he gives 100% and I might've been a bit harsh but I can't help being passionate about the club and I want the best for us - I don't think Hanson will present that at all.

If we needed a big physical prescence it's better to have one who can score goals. Tom Elliot from Wimbledon who's now at Millwall I wanted to replace Hanson this summer. Then you've got Wyke, maybe even Daryl Murphy.
 
dannysufc_ said:
I agree if you've checked the signing of Hanson was a good one for League One, he gave us another option cos with Clarke at the time really wasn't working. He helped us win a few games and got us asking defenders different types of questions - but defenders at this level are bigger, quicker and more clever. I would love to be proven wrong but I can't see it at all.

At the time I thought it was short sighted and that doesn't change now for me. I would've preferred we signed Charlie Wyke who we were linked with from Carlisle who ended up being Hansons replacement at Bradford. Big, strong, tough and young with goals and potential to improve.

I don't dislike him as a bloke, he gives 100% and I might've been a bit harsh but I can't help being passionate about the club and I want the best for us - I don't think Hanson will present that at all.

If we needed a big physical prescence it's better to have one who can score goals. Tom Elliot from Wimbledon who's now at Millwall I wanted to replace Hanson this summer. Then you've got Wyke, maybe even Daryl Murphy.
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Just wondering...had you heard of Charlie Wyke before last season? I hadn't. He only came to light last season for many folks outside of Carlisle because he was on a good goal-scoring run. He was a player that I looked into quite a bit, because, like you possibly, I'd been alerted to the fact that he was a big, strong lad, knocking in goals for fun at Carlisle. Bradford weren't expecting to lose Hanson, that one came a bit out of the blue for them, so they moved quickly to get Wyke, without knowing much more about him, other than he was just up the road and scoring goals.

I watched this lad very closely when we played them at the Lane. He was poor. He looked out of his depth tbh. Now, he may, in time, catch up to the pace of League 1, but he didn't look of League 1 standard to me, never mind Championship.

These players emerge every season don't they? Some name we've never heard of, playing in a lower division, pops up and starts getting a few goals, and some fans go overboard about them. Who was the one that caused a few folks to go into meltdown a few years ago on here? Matthieu Manset wasn't it? Who else...ah yes, Stuart Beavon, another messageboard favourite. And who else from last season...Omar Bogle. He set the world on fire at Grimsby and put it out again at Wigan.

Such a gamble really...and for every good one like this there's probably 20 more who aren't.
 
Houso said:
Thing is Danny, it's all very well having an opinion that differs from Wilders, but you're dealing in definitives. You never post along the lines of "I personally don't think Hanson is good enough. But Chris Wilder trusts him and his judgement is very rarely off. So I'll give him a chance."

It's all "Hanson is shit and not good enough at this level." So you're logically saying Wilder is wrong and you know better. There's no grey area there.
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I think it's pretty obvious that posters on here are just giving an opinion, I don't see why they have to state that in every post.

Just because we finally have a manager that know what he's doing for the first time in god knows how many years, doesn't mean we aren't allowed to have an opinion. All this "in Wilder we trust" and "Wilder thinks different" is pretty boring to be honest, you can basically post that lazy reply in every thread end it there and then.

We're all just giving opinions, I'm certain dannysufc_ isn't suggesting he knows better than Wilder, I'd have thought that would be pretty obvious. If anyone disagrees then debate it, don't just hide behind Wilder, have your own opinions.
 
I think Hanson has a bit part role to play this season. I don't see him starting a league game this season but he is a usable asset when we are behind with 10/15 mins to go.

Could we improve on Hanson? Probably but should we really investing a lot of money on someone like Daryl Murphy.

Daryl Murphy is reported to be on £25k PW. Should we be spending that on a player who may play half an hour a month.
 
Hanson is Plan C or D. It's fairly obvious that our style of play doesn't suit him. We don't get players around him for knock downs enough. It's not what we're about. We don't need a Hanson upgrade, we need a Clarke upgrade or a Sharp upgrade, in due course.
 
Cerberus Blade said:
Just wondering...had you heard of Charlie Wyke before last season? I hadn't. He only came to light last season for many folks outside of Carlisle because he was on a good goal-scoring run. He was a player that I looked into quite a bit, because, like you possibly, I'd been alerted to the fact that he was a big, strong lad, knocking in goals for fun at Carlisle. Bradford weren't expecting to lose Hanson, that one came a bit out of the blue for them, so they moved quickly to get Wyke, without knowing much more about him, other than he was just up the road and scoring goals.

I watched this lad very closely when we played them at the Lane. He was poor. He looked out of his depth tbh. Now, he may, in time, catch up to the pace of League 1, but he didn't look of League 1 standard to me, never mind Championship.

These players emerge every season don't they? Some name we've never heard of, playing in a lower division, pops up and starts getting a few goals, and some fans go overboard about them. Who was the one that caused a few folks to go into meltdown a few years ago on here? Matthieu Manset wasn't it? Who else...ah yes, Stuart Beavon, another messageboard favourite. And who else from last season...Omar Bogle. He set the world on fire at Grimsby and put it out again at Wigan.

Such a gamble really...and for every good one like this there's probably 20 more who aren't.
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I agree, he did look poor against us, however we were superb that day and against the average League 1 opposition he looked half decent causing problems.

The same could be said about Hanson, looked ok in some games, but from an outsider watching him, they'd probably say he didn't look league 1 standard either.

Fact is, he's an option and he will cause issues in the last 10 mins of a game putting himself about in the box. That's what I imagine he'll be used for. His value will better judged in 6 months time :-)
 
Cerberus Blade said:
Just wondering...had you heard of Charlie Wyke before last season? I hadn't. He only came to light last season for many folks outside of Carlisle because he was on a good goal-scoring run. He was a player that I looked into quite a bit, because, like you possibly, I'd been alerted to the fact that he was a big, strong lad, knocking in goals for fun at Carlisle. Bradford weren't expecting to lose Hanson, that one came a bit out of the blue for them, so they moved quickly to get Wyke, without knowing much more about him, other than he was just up the road and scoring goals.

I watched this lad very closely when we played them at the Lane. He was poor. He looked out of his depth tbh. Now, he may, in time, catch up to the pace of League 1, but he didn't look of League 1 standard to me, never mind Championship.

These players emerge every season don't they? Some name we've never heard of, playing in a lower division, pops up and starts getting a few goals, and some fans go overboard about them. Who was the one that caused a few folks to go into meltdown a few years ago on here? Matthieu Manset wasn't it? Who else...ah yes, Stuart Beavon, another messageboard favourite. And who else from last season...Omar Bogle. He set the world on fire at Grimsby and put it out again at Wigan.

Such a gamble really...and for every good one like this there's probably 20 more who aren't.
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Yep I had. And he might have struggled against our backline but plenty of forwards did too.

Last season he really emerged and did well, he continued to score goals for Bradford too. 7 in 16 so let's not pretend he wasn't League One standard.

And I get your last point but make no qualms about it Bogle shouldn't be in that bracket. He scored a few, including a hat trick for a poor Wigan side. They had no one creating chances, if he was to sign for us I'd be fairly happy.
 
YES Blade said:
I think it's pretty obvious that posters on here are just giving an opinion, I don't see why they have to state that in every post.

Just because we finally have a manager that know what he's doing for the first time in god knows how many years, doesn't mean we aren't allowed to have an opinion. All this "in Wilder we trust" and "Wilder thinks different" is pretty boring to be honest, you can basically post that lazy reply in every thread end it there and then.

We're all just giving opinions, I'm certain dannysufc_ isn't suggesting he knows better than Wilder, I'd have thought that would be pretty obvious. If anyone disagrees then debate it, don't just hide behind Wilder, have your own opinions.
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Wait. It was my opinion that Danny was acting as if he knew better than Wilder and I think that's unfair as we should trust our manager given his record thus far.

Am I not allowed an opinion? I mean, after all, I was just sharing it and shouldn't have to state 'in my opinion' in every post...
 
Scooter_mcgavin said:
Dunno, Bolton tried it 4 months ago and I'd see no reason why Parkinson won't try the same again. His style will get annihilated in this division and I can see them sacking him before xmas.
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Agree the Bolton tactics were so 1 dimensional it was a real surprise how limited they were.

The only way they looked to score was from set pieces.
Always looking to go down looking for fouls outside the box and loads of excitement from their fans when they win a corner. They seemed to really miss Madine but it reminded me of the old Wimbledon style.

Their physicality and agression meant they gave us a game in the 1st half but like many teams they tired in the 2nd half and couldn't close us down. Eventually we completely controlled possession and our class shone through making it a comfortable thoroughly deserved win.
 



Scooter_mcgavin said:
Dunno, Bolton tried it 4 months ago and I'd see no reason why Parkinson won't try the same again. His style will get annihilated in this division and I can see them sacking him before xmas.
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Bolton, Millwall and Burton are the only 3 I can see. I don't even think Ipswich will.
We should be able to play through these without having to resort to Hanson.
 
YES Blade said:
I think it's pretty obvious that posters on here are just giving an opinion, I don't see why they have to state that in every post.

Just because we finally have a manager that know what he's doing for the first time in god knows how many years, doesn't mean we aren't allowed to have an opinion. All this "in Wilder we trust" and "Wilder thinks different" is pretty boring to be honest, you can basically post that lazy reply in every thread end it there and then.

We're all just giving opinions, I'm certain dannysufc_ isn't suggesting he knows better than Wilder, I'd have thought that would be pretty obvious. If anyone disagrees then debate it, don't just hide behind Wilder, have your own opinions.
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Exactly. If I think Hanson is shite and should be sold so what? Why people get so precious about things I don't know.
Wilder signed Hussey which we all know was an error too, why aren't people up in arms about him being called shit?

Managers sometimes sign players that aren't very good. Alex Ferguson signed Eric Djemba Djemba and Bebe.

It's a bit boring that anyone who dares to slate anything about the club or management at the minute gets lambasted. Really boring infact.
 
dannysufc_ said:
Exactly. If I think Hanson is shite and should be sold so what? Why people get so precious about things I don't know.
Wilder signed Hussey which we all know was an error too, why aren't people up in arms about him being called shit?

Managers sometimes sign players that aren't very good. Alex Ferguson signed Eric Djemba Djemba and Bebe.

It's a bit boring that anyone who dares to slate anything about the club or management at the minute gets lambasted. Really boring infact.
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People are just disagreeing with your opinion. What's the problem? I don't think anyone has been personal have they?
 
Houso said:
People are just disagreeing with your opinion. What's the problem? I don't think anyone has been personal have they?
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It's very boring that if you see a spot in the team that's a weakness and dare to say it aloud there's a number of posters who will jump down your throat. MUST. BE. 100%. POSITIVE.

Doesn't bother me - it's water off a ducks back - especially when I know I'll be proven right in the long run.
 
dannysufc_ said:
...especially when I know I'll be proven right in the long run.
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In August last year...

dannysufc_ said:
If this squad are capable of playing the high pressing aggressive attacking game I'm capable of shagging the playboy bunnies.
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Now, full disclosure, this was after the Southend loss... but still; how are them Playboy Bunnies in the sack?
 
Houso said:
In August last year...



Now, full disclosure, this was after the Southend loss... but still; how are them Playboy Bunnies in the sack?
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If we're being picky he made a few changes after that game, brought Coutts back in to the fold, brought Wright in, signed EEL and Moore, opted for 5-3-2 and kick started our season.
I'm fairly sure I'm right with that comment at the time considering the changes we made after it :) hence why I never got my end away with the playboy bunnies.
 
Houso said:
Wait. It was my opinion that Danny was acting as if he knew better than Wilder and I think that's unfair as we should trust our manager given his record thus far.

Am I not allowed an opinion? I mean, after all, I was just sharing it and shouldn't have to state 'in my opinion' in every post...
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Opinion, opinion, opinion............

 
dannysufc_ said:
Wilder signed Hussey which we all know was an error too, why aren't people up in arms about him being called shit?
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It's acceptable to insult Hussey it seems. Wilder admitting his mistake with him has given people the green light to do so. Seen a few pathetic, unnecessary comments about him

If you want to criticise Hanson though be very, very gentle. If there's any player our fans will stick up for it's a target man!
 
Ricky said:
It's acceptable to insult Hussey it seems. Wilder admitting his mistake with him has given people the green light to do so. Seen a few pathetic, unnecessary comments about him

If you want to criticise Hanson though be very, very gentle. If there's any player our fans will stick up for it's a target man!
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Unless he's called Sammons.....or Higdon.....?
 
itsinyerblood said:
Correct me, but I think Porter did manage, at least from some quarters, to get a sympathy vote for the occasional goal.
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Always thought he did a decent job leading the line,certainly a lot better than Billy Paynter who was brought in as his replacement,Guthrie had the film star looks,that's about it,bar a hat trick at a very dusty Shay
 



Tunstall Fred said:
Always thought he did a decent job leading the line,certainly a lot better than Billy Paynter who was brought in as his replacement,Guthrie had the film star looks,that's about it,bar a hat trick at a very dusty Shay
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How could I omit Paynter??? A signing of desperation if ever there was! Must be up there with the poorest we've signed.

With your contributions I fail to see how any forward gets an easy ride from what can be a hostile crowd at times.
 
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