Incoming? Darragh Lenihan

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Ricky said:
Yep, I have considered that. Maybe he needs to adjust his view of player values at Championship level, but I doubt it because I think he's astute enough to know exactly what's what. Maybe he'll have to consider paying slightly more than he'd want to though.
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There maybe different factors to why the bids were rejected five hundred grand might not be far from what Blackburn want it maybe to do with how the deal is put together.
Blackburn will want as much as possible upfront Wilder won't just be plucking numbers out of the air he will have talked to the players agent the player and Blackburn.
The players Wilder's after now will be more difficult to get there probably the clubs best player the selling club will want the best deal they can get in terms I'd numbers and how we pay for the player a lot more patience is going to be needed.
 
This will be a player that got relegated....part of a side that wasn't good enough for the championship?

If the player wants to leave as he doesn't want to go further down the league...(as Blackburn will considering they are fucked financially and shit at football) then he can either lever a move and put a transfer request in....or he can sit tight and see if someone stumps up a silly fee for him if that's what Blackburn have decided. Failing that he waits two years for his contract to run down.

But he won't be going anywhere for £5m pounds....in fact for any fee in the million pounds region either. I suspect this is dead too now we have Stearman.
 
That'll mean at least £2m though won't it. So forget it.
 
The fact that we've made only a slightly improved bid the second time round tells me otherwise. If they genuinely think he's worth 5m (or even 2m for that matter) then they would have told us to go fuck ourselves right from the off.
 
Chief_Froley said:
The fact that we've made only a slightly improved bid the second time round tells me otherwise. If they genuinely think he's worth 5m (or even 2m for that matter) then they would have told us to go fuck ourselves right from the off.
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Depends how they want to play things.

they seem to be showing more ambition this year than the last few. Might decide a decent fee for a defender to fund that spree makes sense.

Would suggest them bandying around £5m figures would mean that he's out of our price bracket for sure
 

Chief_Froley said:
The fact that we've made only a slightly improved bid the second time round tells me otherwise. If they genuinely think he's worth 5m (or even 2m for that matter) then they would have told us to go fuck ourselves right from the off.
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Yes, you'd have thought that a figure so far apart from the club's valuation would have received a resounding knock-back, rather than a simple rejection.

If their valuation is £5 million then you'd have thought they'd have alerted potential buyers of this, wouldn't you?
 
itsinyerblood said:
Yes, you'd have thought that a figure so far apart from the club's valuation would have received a resounding knock-back, rather than a simple rejection.

If their valuation is £5 million then you'd have thought they'd have alerted potential buyers of this, wouldn't you?
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Bladeinleeds said:
Depends how they want to play things.

they seem to be showing more ambition this year than the last few. Might decide a decent fee for a defender to fund that spree makes sense.

Would suggest them bandying around £5m figures would mean that he's out of our price bracket for sure
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Just been speaking to an old manager of mine who is a massive Blackburn fan and he says that form of negotiation from the Venkys is pretty par for the course. They often rebound with a huge offer in the hope that managers then come back with an offer that is above what they would have otherwise spent.

A £5m reply from the Venkys to me often means they actually expect 750k but are hoping that a manager puts in a 'cheeky' offer of £1m and thinks they got good value by getting a supposedly £5m rated player for a fraction of the price.
 
On a slightly unrelated note, has anyone ever seen the documentary someone did on the Venky's ownership of Blackburn? Few years old now but worth a look if you have a spare hour. In a lot of ways it even bears more importance that this was done a few years back as it predicts how inevitable their decline was at the time. Really puts things in perspective for me whenever I feel like having a go at McCabe.

 
Chief_Froley said:
Just been speaking to an old manager of mine who is a massive Blackburn fan and he says that form of negotiation from the Venkys is pretty par for the course. They often rebound with a huge offer in the hope that managers then come back with an offer that is above what they would have otherwise spent.

A £5m reply from the Venkys to me often means they actually expect 750k but are hoping that a manager puts in a 'cheeky' offer of £1m and thinks they got good value by getting a supposedly £5m rated player for a fraction of the price.
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Interesting observation mate. I think this may illustrate the craziness of owners coming in to a business they think is run along the same lines of the business they're currently involved in. Think the same can be said for Mike whatsisname who owns Newcastle. It took him some time to appreciate that football as a business is very different to almost any other business, and that throwing money at the business, whilst helpful, needs an informed guiding hand who understands the intricacies and potholes that go hand in hand with a landscape that seems to be changing every few months.
 
Chief_Froley said:
On a slightly unrelated note, has anyone ever seen the documentary someone did on the Venky's ownership of Blackburn? Few years old now but worth a look if you have a spare hour. In a lot of ways it even bears more importance that this was done a few years back as it predicts how inevitable their decline was at the time. Really puts things in perspective for me whenever I feel like having a go at McCabe.

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As you say, this is a documentary that every Blade should view. It really is the classic example of the inmates taking control of the asylum, and whatever has happened at United it bears no resemblance to this mayhem. Owners who are clueless must be every club's worst fear. Blackpool comes to mind too, but what's continuing to happen at Blackburn is frightening in it's scale and levels of incompetency. Every foreign owner of a British football club brings with them either hope or fear. Charlton, Aston Villa, these are two prime examples of clubs who've stagnated or declined due to their owners lack of understanding of what's needed to move forward. Don't think I'm blind to those UK owners who've been equally negligent either, but to return to what sparked this, the Venky's do seem to have earned the Blue Ribbon title for being "Worst Owner Ever" in recent times.
 
The thing what I don't understand is that many of factors that apply to the Venkys/ Vincent Tan, Hull owner Allan etc also apply to Chancer at Wednesday.

He admits that he's never run a football club before and knows nothing about football (his words).
He could have bought his son a train set for Christmas but decided to buy a football club instead.

He rarely communicates with the fans but has made big decisions without any consultation with fans.
Changing the badge, the club shirts because he doesn't like stripes, plastering his name all over the stadium and shirts (vanity project).

So why are Wednesday fans happy and think their owner is fantastic?

Because at the end of the day the way a club is run is irrelevant.
The bottom line is where the team finishes in the league.

The chairman could be Adolf Hitler, changing the club colours, selling off the best players but if that team gained promotion then everything is forgiven. Conversely if a Chairman shows ambition, spends money and communicates with fans then if that team is relegated then he's the worse Chairman in the world and has destroyed the club.
 
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itsinyerblood said:
As you say, this is a documentary that every Blade should view. It really is the classic example of the inmates taking control of the asylum, and whatever has happened at United it bears no resemblance to this mayhem. Owners who are clueless must be every club's worst fear. Blackpool comes to mind too, but what's continuing to happen at Blackburn is frightening in it's scale and levels of incompetency. Every foreign owner of a British football club brings with them either hope or fear. Charlton, Aston Villa, these are two prime examples of clubs who've stagnated or declined due to their owners lack of understanding of what's needed to move forward. Don't think I'm blind to those UK owners who've been equally negligent either, but to return to what sparked this, the Venky's do seem to have earned the Blue Ribbon title for being "Worst Owner Ever" in recent times.
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Exactly.

For all of Mccabes shortcomings he is a guy who I believe does still put the club's interests first and has probably spent more that he has taken from this club.

Blackburn however is a club where the Venky's have gone about slashing their wage budgets year on year and subsequently gone further down the pecking order. Their only signing last season where they paid a fee was Derek Williams (alleged £250,000) whilst at the same time they sold Duffy (£4m) and Hanley (£5.5m).

The season before makes for even worse reading as they sold Olsson (£1m), Cairney (£3m), Gestade (£7m) and Rhodes (£9M). At the same time didn't spend a single penny on bringing in any other players all of them were frees from other clubs or players unattached to any club.

I couldn't ever imagine that happening to a club I support where I had invested so much time and effort to see them on a regular basis only for an owner to come and completely gut everything. Hearing stuff like that makes you realise just how bad things can get and how much we have retrospectively.
 
Sheffsteel said:
The thing what I don't understand is that many of factors that apply to the Venkys also apply to Chancer at Wednesday.

He admits that he's never run a football club before and knows nothing about football (his words).
He could have bought his son a train set for Christmas but decided to buy a football club instead.

He rarely communicates with the fans but has made big decisions without any consultation with fans.
Changing the badge, the club shirts because he doesn't like stripes, plastering his name all over the stadium and shirts (vanity project).

So why are Wednesday fans happy and think their owner is fantastic?

Because at the end of the day the way a club is run is irrelevant.
The bottom line is where the team finishes in the league.

The chairman could be Adolf Hitler, changing the club colours, selling off the best players but if that team gained promotion then everything is forgiven. Conversely if a Chairman shows ambition, spends money and communicates with fans then if that team is relegated then he's the worse Chairman in the world and has destroyed the club.
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Chansiri has spent £30m on that squad, without it they would be mid table at best so my guess is pig fans overlook everything else. Personally, I wouldn't want him as our chairman (if he'd never brought the pigs) because I don't like his ticket price increases which are ludicrous, as is the stand name change. Surprised he's not called the sty the Chansiri Stadium!
 
Chief_Froley said:
Exactly.

For all of Mccabes shortcomings he is a guy who I believe does still put the club's interests first and has probably spent more that he has taken from this club.

Blackburn however is a club where the Venky's have gone about slashing their wage budgets year on year and subsequently gone further down the pecking order. Their only signing last season where they paid a fee was Derek Williams (alleged £250,000) whilst at the same time they sold Duffy (£4m) and Hanley (£5.5m).

The season before makes for even worse reading as they sold Olsson (£1m), Cairney (£3m), Gestade (£7m) and Rhodes (£9M). At the same time didn't spend a single penny on bringing in any other players all of them were frees from other clubs or players unattached to any club.

I couldn't ever imagine that happening to a club I support where I had invested so much time and effort to see them on a regular basis only for an owner to come and completely gut everything. Hearing stuff like that makes you realise just how bad things can get and how much we have retrospectively.
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All good points fella,

it brings home how an owner who has no interest in their club can create a schism between fans and owner that is almost impossible to fix. Whatever their motivations in getting involved with a club in the first place, surely a prospective owner should realise that without the supporters there is no club? Exceptions to this rule have been Abramhovich at Chelsea, admittedly prime location based in London, but Roman has spent a fortune on Chelsea's infrastructure with first rate training facilities as a prime example, and is still looking (so I'm to believe) to build a new ground that makes the current Stamford Bridge seem like a relic. Perhaps he's the exception, and I'm not about to comment on the owner of the S6 Ladies Club as that would raise far too many questions that I'd find too exhausting to answer.

As you comment, we may well have had problems and not received the investment we all thought we deserved, but there again McCabe isn't exactly on a par with seriously wealthy billionaires is he? Slowly we're making progress, and forgive my apparent naivety, but central to any perceived progress must surely be the appointment of Chris Wilder? I've never known a season like the last one. It doesn't mean that I assume we'll continue at such a pace, but for the first time in a long, long time we actually had something to shout about! I'm also not star struck about Wilder or Knill, I think they both realise that what lies ahead will test them as well as the squad they've assembled. I think that Chris and Alan have great potential, and the only way they'll discover the extent of their talent is by meeting each challenge head on. As you might tell, my feet are firmly on the ground, but my hopes are somewhere else and probably off the scale if truth be told.
 
Booker4 said:
Chansiri has spent £30m on that squad, without it they would be mid table at best so my guess is pig fans overlook everything else. Personally, I wouldn't want him as our chairman (if he'd never brought the pigs) because I don't like his ticket price increases which are ludicrous, as is the stand name change. Surprised he's not called the sty the Chansiri Stadium!
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To be fair, would you want that rust bucket named after you? :eek:
 
itsinyerblood said:
All good points fella,

it brings home how an owner who has no interest in their club can create a schism between fans and owner that is almost impossible to fix. Whatever their motivations in getting involved with a club in the first place, surely a prospective owner should realise that without the supporters there is no club? Exceptions to this rule have been Abramhovich at Chelsea, admittedly prime location based in London, but Roman has spent a fortune on Chelsea's infrastructure with first rate training facilities as a prime example, and is still looking (so I'm to believe) to build a new ground that makes the current Stamford Bridge seem like a relic. Perhaps he's the exception, and I'm not about to comment on the owner of the S6 Ladies Club as that would raise far too many questions that I'd find too exhausting to answer.

As you comment, we may well have had problems and not received the investment we all thought we deserved, but there again McCabe isn't exactly on a par with seriously wealthy billionaires is he? Slowly we're making progress, and forgive my apparent naivety, but central to any perceived progress must surely be the appointment of Chris Wilder? I've never known a season like the last one. It doesn't mean that I assume we'll continue at such a pace, but for the first time in a long, long time we actually had something to shout about! I'm also not star struck about Wilder or Knill, I think they both realise that what lies ahead will test them as well as the squad they've assembled. I think that Chris and Alan have great potential, and the only way they'll discover the extent of their talent is by meeting each challenge head on. As you might tell, my feet are firmly on the ground, but my hopes are somewhere else and probably off the scale if truth be told.
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I think the main difference when new owners come along and change stuff is investment. Abramovich changed so much but obviously invested so much at the same time so you won't catch too many fans complaining. The same thing (on a smaller scale) happened for Wednesday with Chansiri.

As to us I think your last sentence hit the nail on the head for me. I want to keep things in perspective so if we consolidate our place in the championship then I will consider it progress. I do however have high hopes and wouldn't be surprised if we kick on much higher up the table. Last season was absolutely incredible and I for one cannot wait to see what happens in the next!
 
Chief_Froley said:
I think the main difference when new owners come along and change stuff is investment. Abramovich changed so much but obviously invested so much at the same time so you won't catch too many fans complaining. The same thing (on a smaller scale) happened for Wednesday with Chansiri.

As to us I think your last sentence hit the nail on the head for me. I want to keep things in perspective so if we consolidate our place in the championship then I will consider it progress. I do however have high hopes and wouldn't be surprised if we kick on much higher up the table. Last season was absolutely incredible and I for one cannot wait to see what happens in the next!
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Fuck it!.......deep down I can tell that, like me, you'll never be truly happy until we win the Champions League and return to Sheffield as Kings of Europe....g'wan, you know it's what you want! UTMB (with a straight-jacket close at hand)
 
We are going up strong and united and we have strengthened already with more to come.

We have rarely gone up as runaway Champions with a strong squad and big competition for places.

So many of our players will be comfortable at the higher level and whatsmore they will love every minute individually and as a group.
 

Woodwardfan said:
We are going up strong and united and we have strengthened already with more to come.

We have rarely gone up as runaway Champions with a strong squad and big competition for places.

So many of our players will be comfortable at the higher level and whatsmore they will love every minute individually and as a group.
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Slight correction mate, we're already promoted, so not a case of "We are going up strong....."

Agree with your sentiment, looking forward the new season, as I know you are. I think we'll be ok, whatever that means! UTB
 
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