Incoming? Darragh Lenihan

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Booker4 said:
Chansiri has spent £30m on that squad, without it they would be mid table at best so my guess is pig fans overlook everything else. Personally, I wouldn't want him as our chairman (if he'd never brought the pigs) because I don't like his ticket price increases which are ludicrous, as is the stand name change. Surprised he's not called the sty the Chansiri Stadium!
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Would you want your name on that hole? I wouldn't
 

Chief_Froley said:
Exactly.

For all of Mccabes shortcomings he is a guy who I believe does still put the club's interests first and has probably spent more that he has taken from this club.

Blackburn however is a club where the Venky's have gone about slashing their wage budgets year on year and subsequently gone further down the pecking order. Their only signing last season where they paid a fee was Derek Williams (alleged £250,000) whilst at the same time they sold Duffy (£4m) and Hanley (£5.5m).

The season before makes for even worse reading as they sold Olsson (£1m), Cairney (£3m), Gestade (£7m) and Rhodes (£9M). At the same time didn't spend a single penny on bringing in any other players all of them were frees from other clubs or players unattached to any club.

I couldn't ever imagine that happening to a club I support where I had invested so much time and effort to see them on a regular basis only for an owner to come and completely gut everything. Hearing stuff like that makes you realise just how bad things can get and how much we have retrospectively.
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You know what, I agree with you, but...what you are doing here is taking a worst case scenario, then comparing our situation versus that and coming to the conclusion that we have a lot to be grateful for. What you should also do is look at a best case scenario, where a little club with no Goddamn right to be anywhere near the Premiership, has invested wisely to completely turn around hundreds of years of history and are now creaming it in, at the highest level, whilst we are scratching around for a couple of hundred grand to land the transfer targets we seek and desperately need to give us a squad capable of competing at the top end of what is the old Second Division.

This thread is supposedly about Darragh Lenihan so I'll bring it back on track with the latest news that I've found on this. Apparently we've made 2 bids for him - one for £400k and a second for £500k. (This sounds very familiar doesn't it? It's the same figures as we were rumoured to bid for Holmes (now failed) and have on the table for Leonard). According to manager, Tony Mowbray, he admits that every player has his price but our offer for Lenihan is nowhere near it. He describes it as follows:

"Every footballer has a price, Cristiano Ronaldo’s is 200m Euros, but what I do know is that Lenihan’s isn’t what was offered. It was almost an embarrassing offer" - Tony Mowbray, Blackburn manager.

OK, so "it's almost an embarrassing offer" then. That means, it's not quite an embarrassing offer, but it's a bit too low. So, we should be upping it a bit if we are serious about signing this guy. By all accounts - and I've been on the Blackburn forums and read a lot of fans comments about him - he's one player that they desperately don't want to lose. By the sound of it, this lad is bloody good and he's only young and has a great future in the game ahead of him. If he's half as good as what they think, he will easily be changing hands for a couple of million in a few years time - easily - providing he's playing at a decent level (and he's obviously just had a whole season playing in the Championship and looked very capable at that level). So, what price do you put on that? Is he worth £750k do you think? Would that seal it? Just to point out, Blackburn (now of the "pub league" of course), just paid £750k to Gillingham for Bradley Dack, who has had a very indifferent season at Gillingham in League 1. So, that kind of gives you some idea as to how Blackburn may be looking at player values. If they think Dack is worth £750k then they probably are quite reasonable in thinking that Lenihan should command a similar figure.

But will United pay it?

Will they consider putting a little bit more cash on the table to land a young 24 year old up and coming centre half, who is very highly rated and has already proved he can cut it at the Championship level. Do they see "future value" in that?

Or have we set the "Value -o-meter" just a little bit too low for our own good?


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Booker4 said:
Chansiri has spent £30m on that squad, without it they would be mid table at best so my guess is pig fans overlook everything else. Personally, I wouldn't want him as our chairman (if he'd never brought the pigs) because I don't like his ticket price increases which are ludicrous, as is the stand name change. Surprised he's not called the sty the Chansiri Stadium!
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Surprised he doesn't change their name to Chansiri FC

Now that would be funny :D
 
Who's responsible for making these bids?

Because I don't believe for a second that Wilder and his staff would be so unrealistic with their valuations - even bearing in mind the negotiation process.


It might be worth signing Lenihan and forgetting about Leonard. Put what we would've spent on him and Holmes towards the deal.

Lenihan's younger than both of them and has more potential. He can play Leonard's position as well as CB. We'd have both him and Basham in the squad so one of them could be moved into midfield, without changing or weakening too much at the back.

Or we could get his old team mate Jason Lowe on a free transfer who could also play RCB as well as midfield.
 
Cerberus Blade said:
You know what, I agree with you, but...what you are doing here is taking a worst case scenario, then comparing our situation versus that and coming to the conclusion that we have a lot to be grateful for. What you should also do is look at a best case scenario, where a little club with no Goddamn right to be anywhere near the Premiership, has invested wisely to completely turn around hundreds of years of history and are now creaming it in, at the highest level, whilst we are scratching around for a couple of hundred grand to land the transfer targets we seek and desperately need to give us a squad capable of competing at the top end of what is the old Second Division.

This thread is supposedly about Darragh Lenihan so I'll bring it back on track with the latest news that I've found on this. Apparently we've made 2 bids for him - one for £400k and a second for £500k. (This sounds very familiar doesn't it? It's the same figures as we were rumoured to bid for Holmes (now failed) and have on the table for Leonard). According to manager, Tony Mowbray, he admits that every player has his price but our offer for Lenihan is nowhere near it. He describes it as follows:

"Every footballer has a price, Cristiano Ronaldo’s is 200m Euros, but what I do know is that Lenihan’s isn’t what was offered. It was almost an embarrassing offer" - Tony Mowbray, Blackburn manager.

OK, so "it's almost an embarrassing offer" then. That means, it's not quite an embarrassing offer, but it's a bit too low. So, we should be upping it a bit if we are serious about signing this guy. By all accounts - and I've been on the Blackburn forums and read a lot of fans comments about him - he's one player that they desperately don't want to lose. By the sound of it, this lad is bloody good and he's only young and has a great future in the game ahead of him. If he's half as good as what they think, he will easily be changing hands for a couple of million in a few years time - easily - providing he's playing at a decent level (and he's obviously just had a whole season playing in the Championship and looked very capable at that level). So, what price do you put on that? Is he worth £750k do you think? Would that seal it? Just to point out, Blackburn (now of the "pub league" of course), just paid £750k to Gillingham for Bradley Dack, who has had a very indifferent season at Gillingham in League 1. So, that kind of gives you some idea as to how Blackburn may be looking at player values. If they think Dack is worth £750k then they probably are quite reasonable in thinking that Lenihan should command a similar figure.

But will United pay it?

Will they consider putting a little bit more cash on the table to land a young 24 year old up and coming centre half, who is very highly rated and has already proved he can cut it at the Championship level. Do they see "future value" in that?

Or have we set the "Value -o-meter" just a little bit too low for our own good?


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Good post/points mate. I agree looking at the Blackburns and Blackpools of the world is worst case scenarioand we should look at how others have been successful while investing soundly. However in my admittedly brief time on this planet I have seen both Blackpool go from plucky underdogs of the premier league (like you said we should be mimicking) to the verge of collapse. I mean, Blackburn have even gone from Premier League winners to what you see today while I've been in the world! It does therefore bear importance to keep in mind how clubs can go from getting so much right to getting so much wrong.

We are on an upward curve now. I believe thats come from looking how other clubs have been successful like you said as well as identifying where others (ourselves included) have faltered in the past so I think the answer lies somewhere between our ways of thinking.

Back on subject and to the valuation on Lenihan you make a really good point with Dack. I'm still personally inclined to think that 750k would be more or less right for him (albeit probably with a fair few add ons for them) but it could easily be more like you said if they play hard ball.

For me at the end of the day he was still a good performer in a relegated side and with us being a league above he will probably be eager to get the move done. CBs also tend to command lower fees than attackers and Dack imo still has just as much potential to be that 2m+ player when put in a good side.
 
Cerberus Blade said:
You know what, I agree with you, but...what you are doing here is taking a worst case scenario, then comparing our situation versus that and coming to the conclusion that we have a lot to be grateful for. What you should also do is look at a best case scenario, where a little club with no Goddamn right to be anywhere near the Premiership, has invested wisely to completely turn around hundreds of years of history and are now creaming it in, at the highest level, whilst we are scratching around for a couple of hundred grand to land the transfer targets we seek and desperately need to give us a squad capable of competing at the top end of what is the old Second Division.

This thread is supposedly about Darragh Lenihan so I'll bring it back on track with the latest news that I've found on this. Apparently we've made 2 bids for him - one for £400k and a second for £500k. (This sounds very familiar doesn't it? It's the same figures as we were rumoured to bid for Holmes (now failed) and have on the table for Leonard). According to manager, Tony Mowbray, he admits that every player has his price but our offer for Lenihan is nowhere near it. He describes it as follows:

"Every footballer has a price, Cristiano Ronaldo’s is 200m Euros, but what I do know is that Lenihan’s isn’t what was offered. It was almost an embarrassing offer" - Tony Mowbray, Blackburn manager.

OK, so "it's almost an embarrassing offer" then. That means, it's not quite an embarrassing offer, but it's a bit too low. So, we should be upping it a bit if we are serious about signing this guy. By all accounts - and I've been on the Blackburn forums and read a lot of fans comments about him - he's one player that they desperately don't want to lose. By the sound of it, this lad is bloody good and he's only young and has a great future in the game ahead of him. If he's half as good as what they think, he will easily be changing hands for a couple of million in a few years time - easily - providing he's playing at a decent level (and he's obviously just had a whole season playing in the Championship and looked very capable at that level). So, what price do you put on that? Is he worth £750k do you think? Would that seal it? Just to point out, Blackburn (now of the "pub league" of course), just paid £750k to Gillingham for Bradley Dack, who has had a very indifferent season at Gillingham in League 1. So, that kind of gives you some idea as to how Blackburn may be looking at player values. If they think Dack is worth £750k then they probably are quite reasonable in thinking that Lenihan should command a similar figure.

But will United pay it?

Will they consider putting a little bit more cash on the table to land a young 24 year old up and coming centre half, who is very highly rated and has already proved he can cut it at the Championship level. Do they see "future value" in that?

Or have we set the "Value -o-meter" just a little bit too low for our own good?


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But if we don't have the money... we don't have the money... and where we don't have the money that's where you're looking at us falling into that worst case scenario.

All managers say bids are embarrassing they're never going to come out and say we've received a really good bid that we'll probably accept for an extra few quid... I still believe that unless they're a shit hot forward or really young wonder kid... 500-750k gets you most top end league 1 players. (Especially if you're the only club interested).
 

B14Nco said:
But if we don't have the money... we don't have the money... and where we don't have the money that's where you're looking at us falling into that worst case scenario.

All managers say bids are embarrassing they're never going to come out and say we've received a really good bid that we'll probably accept for an extra few quid... I still believe that unless they're a shit hot forward or really young wonder kid... 500-750k gets you most top end league 1 players. (Especially if you're the only club interested).
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Managers and chairmen of other clubs are always truthful and accurate. I've learned that from contributions on here, where nobody talks utter bollocks.
 
So Mowbray thinks he's worth a lot more than our offer??!!

Well theres a fucking surprise. Hardly news of the century.
He's hardly going to come out and say well they are right, we would like £5m but being honest he's worth a fifth of that at best!!

I couldn't give a flying turd what he says. He has his valuation, we have ours. If he's lucky enough to find someone prepared to match his valuation good for him. But on the other hand I suspect he's probably just doing his job to firstly look like he's done his job to the fans, and secondly to get back as much money as he can to fund the squad overhaul needed to ensure they arrest their decline
 
Grizzly blade said:
So Mowbray thinks he's worth a lot more than our offer??!!

Well theres a fucking surprise. Hardly news of the century.
He's hardly going to come out and say well they are right, we would like £5m but being honest he's worth a fifth of that at best!!

I couldn't give a flying turd what he says. He has his valuation, we have ours. If he's lucky enough to find someone prepared to match his valuation good for him. But on the other hand I suspect he's probably just doing his job to firstly look like he's done his job to the fans, and secondly to get back as much money as he can to fund the squad overhaul needed to ensure they arrest their decline
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Can you recall roughly this time last year,and that gobshite Flitcroft claiming our offer for Clarke was embarrassing ,a few days later Leon signed on the dotted line
 
Yes Fred I can.

Some on here better not run their own business where any form of negotiation is involved. Bankrupt in no time.

I just wonder at what point does life just "click" for people, and they suddenly "get it"?

Think mine was around 38
 
Guy on one of the Facebook pages, Chris Shackleton, (streams a lot of the games) reckons this is a done deal.

One poster has suggested the £5m price tag was simply to get the price as high as possible but the Venkeys are desperate to rake in as much as possible and Lenihan could go for as little as £800k.

Just passing on some gossip....whether there is any truth in it I don't know.
 
Ricky said:
Who's responsible for making these bids?

Because I don't believe for a second that Wilder and his staff would be so unrealistic with their valuations - even bearing in mind the negotiation process.


It might be worth signing Lenihan and forgetting about Leonard. Put what we would've spent on him and Holmes towards the deal.

Lenihan's younger than both of them and has more potential. He can play Leonard's position as well as CB. We'd have both him and Basham in the squad so one of them could be moved into midfield, without changing or weakening too much at the back.

Or we could get his old team mate Jason Lowe on a free transfer who could also play RCB as well as midfield.
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You're fucking joking aren't you? Don't dare slag the club off you fucking muppet. That means you dont trust Wilder and are a pig.

But anyway, that aside :) I'd like us to just pay up for Leonard. If Blackburn want 5mil for Lenihan we won't get to even a quarter of that so it's a pointless negotiation.

I don't like Lowe but on a free for a year I wouldn't mind. I'd like Cian Bolger at centre half personally, was so impressed by him last year.
 
dannysufc_ said:
You're fucking joking aren't you? Don't dare slag the club off you fucking muppet. That means you dont trust Wilder and are a pig.

But anyway, that aside :) I'd like us to just pay up for Leonard. If Blackburn want 5mil for Lenihan we won't get to even a quarter of that so it's a pointless negotiation.

I don't like Lowe but on a free for a year I wouldn't mind. I'd like Cian Bolger at centre half personally, was so impressed by him last year.
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I don't think anyone has to be accused of being a pig....but it is very tiresome, dull and often repetitive listening to some folk lose their shit over rumours on the internet, and slagging off the club at every claimed failure or perceived "lack of ambition"

We have folks going spare because we haven't signed a player at whatever cost from southend who it seems nobody else is that bothered about.... Who if we were honest isn't better than what we already have.
And we have Ricky slamming our negotiation team for this fella because we are offering derogatory fees (allegedly) for players whose value (allegedly) is massively higher!! Even though that massive figure has been plucked (see what I did there) from god knows where by the single biggest example of a chicken shit football club owner the Venkys!!

Its melodramatic and bordering on infantile....squeem and squeem till I am sick!!

Jesus wept....has nobody remembered what happened with some of Wilders targets last season?? I recall the club were called out in the same way for letting a mega star go to Peterborough over us, with the same accusations, demands and over reactions evident.

Get a bloody grip and trust the manager
 
Grizzly blade said:
I don't think anyone has to be accused of being a pig....but it is very tiresome, dull and often repetitive listening to some folk lose their shit over rumours on the internet, and slagging off the club at every claimed failure or perceived "lack of ambition"

We have folks going spare because we haven't signed a player at whatever cost from southend who it seems nobody else is that bothered about.... Who if we were honest isn't better than what we already have.
And we have Ricky slamming our negotiation team for this fella because we are offering derogatory fees (allegedly) for players whose value (allegedly) is massively higher!! Even though that massive figure has been plucked (see what I did there) from god knows where by the single biggest example of a chicken shit football club owner the Venkys!!

Its melodramatic and bordering on infantile....squeem and squeem till I am sick!!

Jesus wept....has nobody remembered what happened with some of Wilders targets last season?? I recall the club were called out in the same way for letting a mega star go to Peterborough over us, with the same accusations, demands and over reactions evident.

Get a bloody grip and trust the manager
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How can you say he's not better than what we have when it's a totally different type of midfielder to what we have?

And whethers it's plucked from thin air or not they'll have given us the valuation. Rather than bid under 10% of his valuation why not just tell them to fuck off? Bit pointless

And why do we not trust the manager?

Strange
 
dannysufc_ said:
You're fucking joking aren't you? Don't dare slag the club off you fucking muppet. That means you dont trust Wilder and are a pig.

But anyway, that aside :) I'd like us to just pay up for Leonard. If Blackburn want 5mil for Lenihan we won't get to even a quarter of that so it's a pointless negotiation.

I don't like Lowe but on a free for a year I wouldn't mind. I'd like Cian Bolger at centre half personally, was so impressed by him last year.
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Pay up for Leonard? How much are they asking for? Should we just pay it whether we think he's worth that much or not?
 
dannysufc_ said:
How can you say he's not better than what we have when it's a totally different type of midfielder to what we have?

How can you say he is better than what we've already got?

And whethers it's plucked from thin air or not they'll have given us the valuation.

How do you know they will have given us his valuation?

Rather than bid under 10% of his valuation why not just tell them to fuck off?

How do you know we haven't already told them to fuck off?

Strange
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Again, idle speculation without fact to back it up, it's only effect is to wind people up about signings that we have no real idea on whats happening because Wilder keeps his cards close to his chest.
 
dannysufc_ said:
How can you say he's not better than what we have when it's a totally different type of midfielder to what we have?

And whethers it's plucked from thin air or not they'll have given us the valuation. Rather than bid under 10% of his valuation why not just tell them to fuck off? Bit pointless

And why do we not trust the manager?

Strange
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I can say he's no better because WE HAD the best midfielders in the division last season, in the same league this fella was in!
We don't need any different types of midfielder than what we have because there is no other type.

What does he do that sets him apart from any that we have? Do our current midfield NOT run a lot, tackle, pass the ball and create chances? Stats last season suggest they do! And midfield is where games are won and lost.

And the reason I say trust the manager is that there are still folk proclaiming that he's somehow being done over by McCabe, being sold short and that even though the manager has said publicly that we won't pay over the odds, that really means the club is letting him down.
No...it means what he says!!
We missed out on at least three of Wilders targets last season, all went elsewhere and we got other players instead.

Worked out quite well I recall?


As for Blackburn, do you really think they are going to get £5m for him? I may as well be in charge of them for what they bring to running their club, I have as much idea that's for sure.
So by that reckoning United could say they think Fleck is worth £20m....does that mean that's his value or that United were deluded.
So the point is, Blackburn are deluded.
 
Whenever I say Chansiri out loud my iPhone keeps looking up numbers for selected people in Beijing :o
 
Grizzly blade said:
I can say he's no better because WE HAD the best midfielders in the division last season, in the same league this fella was in!
We don't need any different types of midfielder than what we have because there is no other type.

What does he do that sets him apart from any that we have? Do our current midfield NOT run a lot, tackle, pass the ball and create chances? Stats last season suggest they do! And midfield is where games are won and lost.

And the reason I say trust the manager is that there are still folk proclaiming that he's somehow being done over by McCabe, being sold short and that even though the manager has said publicly that we won't pay over the odds, that really means the club is letting him down.
No...it means what he says!!
We missed out on at least three of Wilders targets last season, all went elsewhere and we got other players instead.

Worked out quite well I recall?


As for Blackburn, do you really think they are going to get £5m for him? I may as well be in charge of them for what they bring to running their club, I have as much idea that's for sure.
So by that reckoning United could say they think Fleck is worth £20m....does that mean that's his value or that United were deluded.
So the point is, Blackburn are deluded.
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I don't necessarily think Blackburn are deluded, if they value Lenihan highly then in the current market they may well genuinely believe he should be valued at £5m, why not? He's only 23 and with 82 senior appearances and capped 15 times at Eire U21 level he is significantly more experienced than Josh Bowler, (18) who has just signed for Everton from QPR for £4m.

How much would you value David Brooks at? Looking at the sum played for Bowler I would be furious if we let Brooks go for anything less than £4.5m and neither Bowler nor Brooks have got half a dozen senior appearances between them....are we now saying that promising, highly rated but totally untested youngsters are more valuable than a young, reasonably established player?

The whole bloody game is deluded!
 

Grizzly blade said:
I can say he's no better because WE HAD the best midfielders in the division last season, in the same league this fella was in!
We don't need any different types of midfielder than what we have because there is no other type.

What does he do that sets him apart from any that we have? Do our current midfield NOT run a lot, tackle, pass the ball and create chances? Stats last season suggest they do! And midfield is where games are won and lost.

And the reason I say trust the manager is that there are still folk proclaiming that he's somehow being done over by McCabe, being sold short and that even though the manager has said publicly that we won't pay over the odds, that really means the club is letting him down.
No...it means what he says!!
We missed out on at least three of Wilders targets last season, all went elsewhere and we got other players instead.

Worked out quite well I recall?


As for Blackburn, do you really think they are going to get £5m for him? I may as well be in charge of them for what they bring to running their club, I have as much idea that's for sure.
So by that reckoning United could say they think Fleck is worth £20m....does that mean that's his value or that United were deluded.
So the point is, Blackburn are deluded.
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Leonard is a more box to box, athletic type than we have. Would allow us to change things up, scores a few goals and can put a foot in. Don't be deluded and think Coutts and Fleck are going to run it like they did last year.

Lenihan at 5mil may be steep but the Venkys have a track record of getting what they want. See The sales of Cairney, Rhodes, Gestede, Duffy and Hanley for proof of that.

So you're suggesting we don't trust our manager but you think we'd better off missing out on his main targets? Brilliant logic that mate.
 
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