Incoming? Darragh Lenihan

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Why do we think 500k is going to snatch these type of players?

Imagine if we'd stayed down and 500k bids came flying in for JOC, Freeman, Fleck.

We'd tell them to fuck off.

Then we'd probably sell them, but most clubs would tell them to fuck off.

My point is valid but collapses when I use the Blades as the example...
 

SteveBlade said:
Why do we think 500k is going to snatch these type of players?

Imagine if we'd stayed down and 500k bids came flying in for JOC, Freeman, Fleck.

We'd tell them to fuck off.

Then we'd probably sell them, but most clubs would tell them to fuck off.

My point is valid but collapses when I use the Blades as the example...
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It seems like we increase our bids in very small increments after opening with a laughable offer which will never be accepted. We seem to have been taking this approach for quite a while.

I'd imagine Wilder sets the ceiling price for his targets then leaves it to the board the negotiate the deals.
Carl Schieber and whoever else is in charge of negotiations need to realise that we're not in the little league anymore. They need to have a proper knowledge of player values and what sort of money it would take for clubs to consider selling. This isn't difficult, it isn't a lot to ask.

This Lenihan is 23, played 44 games last season, has 2 years on his contract, is highly rated and seen as a future captain. What the hell is 400k going to do? They might have dodgy owners and I'm sure they'll entertain half decent offers but they're not desperate to sell judging by the business they've done so far.

Transfer fees have increased in the Championship. There are a lot of rich clubs there who'll throw money around. Clubs like Blackburn are used to dealing with these clubs. We need to understand that and adjust accordingly.

The more we take the piss with our offers, the more we drag out negotiations, not only are we risking missing out on the player in question but we're also risking our 2nd, 3rd, 4th choice targets moving elsewhere in the meantime.

So it's about time we started getting real with our opening bids. It would save a lot of time and it wouldn't cost us any more money.
 
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On the flip side, how many of our targets have we missed out on since Wilder took charge. And I'm talking those where there was very clear evidence that we had bids that were knocked back?

There will be have no doubt been input from the player's agent as to what Blackburn may be willing to accept, and there's a reason why we'll have gone back with this small increase.

Granted, Leonard and Holmes haven't signed as yet, but they're not dead in the water and are clearly informed by both players being interested in the move and in the last years of their contracts.

In summary, stop being massive fannies.
 
Houso said:
On the flip side, how many of our targets have we missed out on since Wilder took charge. And I'm talking those where there was very clear evidence that we had bids that were knocked back?

There will be have no doubt been input from the player's agent as to what Blackburn may be willing to accept, and there's a reason why we'll have gone back with this small increase.

Granted, Leonard and Holmes haven't signed as yet, but they're not dead in the water and are clearly informed by both players being interested in the move and in the last years of their contracts.

In summary, stop being massive fannies.
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Alex Revell. The fannies are still quivering.
 
How do you say this fuckers name anyway?

Being Irish I imagine it'll be something like 'Fred Barnes'.
 
Houso said:
On the flip side, how many of our targets have we missed out on since Wilder took charge. And I'm talking those where there was very clear evidence that we had bids that were knocked back?

There will be have no doubt been input from the player's agent as to what Blackburn may be willing to accept, and there's a reason why we'll have gone back with this small increase.

Granted, Leonard and Holmes haven't signed as yet, but they're not dead in the water and are clearly informed by both players being interested in the move and in the last years of their contracts.

In summary, stop being massive fannies.
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That's actually a fair point. And is a different matter to being rejected over terms offered to the players like Holmes and revell and the lad who went to wolves. (And to be fair not fussed about mercenaries)

Obviously there will have been lots of conversations where we get knocked back - as every club will have.! Think the fact the bids became public so long ago adds to the pressure.

Would be nice to conclude one or two. Make it look like we are serious about competing next year
 
SteveBlade said:
Why do we think 500k is going to snatch these type of players?

Imagine if we'd stayed down and 500k bids came flying in for JOC, Freeman, Fleck.

We'd tell them to fuck off.

Then we'd probably sell them, but most clubs would tell them to fuck off.

My point is valid but collapses when I use the Blades as the example...
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because Blackburn are in financial trouble and just got relegated bidding 500k for the first bid instead of something higher like 800k to 1 million stops us from paying over his valuation at least this way we can find out their price tag before making a second bid
 
Blackburn have probably still not forgiven us for having their pants down on the Jordan Slew deal !!
 
LW_Blade said:
Few of their fans disgruntled that lil' ole Sheffield United have come sniffing for one of their assets....:D:D:D
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As they've only got a few fans that seems a high proportion of small town Blackburn's fan base.
 
Just based on what I've managed to discover about this Badger on the tinterweb I reckon he would be a good signing and would fit right in with what Wilder is building. Clearly Wilder thinks so or wouldn't look to sign him so that last point was probably irrelevant but as I don't think my bullshit quotient is any higher than anyone elses fuck it I'm leaving it in.
 
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Ricky said:
It seems like we increase our bids in very small increments after opening with a laughable offer which will never be accepted. We seem to have been taking this approach for quite a while.

I'd imagine Wilder sets the ceiling price for his targets then leaves it to the board the negotiate the deals.
Carl Schieber and whoever else is in charge of negotiations need to realise that we're not in the little league anymore. They need to have a proper knowledge of player values and what sort of money it would take for clubs to consider selling. This isn't difficult, it isn't a lot to ask.

This Lenihan is 23, played 44 games last season, has 2 years on his contract, is highly rated and seen as a future captain. What the hell is 400k going to do? They might have dodgy owners and I'm sure they'll entertain half decent offers but they're not desperate to sell judging by the business they've done so far.

Transfer fees have increased in the Championship. There are a lot of rich clubs there who'll throw money around. Clubs like Blackburn are used to dealing with these clubs. We need to understand that and adjust accordingly.

The more we take the piss with our offers, the more we drag out negotiations, not only are we risking missing out on the player in question but we're also risking our 2nd, 3rd, 4th choice targets moving elsewhere in the meantime.

So it's about time we started getting real with our opening bids. It would save a lot of time and it wouldn't cost us any more money.
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It's the closing bid though. IF it is CW who sets the ceiling and IF we offer that, maybe it's him rather than anyone else who needs to rethink values?

If that's the case obviously.
 
Sean Thornton said:
It's the closing bid though. IF it is CW who sets the ceiling and IF we offer that, maybe it's him rather than anyone else who needs to rethink values?

If that's the case obviously.
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Yep, I have considered that. Maybe he needs to adjust his view of player values at Championship level, but I doubt it because I think he's astute enough to know exactly what's what. Maybe he'll have to consider paying slightly more than he'd want to though.
 

The way I am starting to look at it is that wilder probably does set a price yet when money goes up, the player might become the same value as a better target.

For example they might prefer player A at 500k to spending 800k for day player B yet when the price of A goes to the same value as B you shift targets. Constant moving pieces then the whole thing could revert
 
He sounds like an Irish version of former Yorkshire Aussie middle order batsman Darren Lehman
 
sheffielder said:
The way I am starting to look at it is that wilder probably does set a price yet when money goes up, the player might become the same value as a better target.

For example they might prefer player A at 500k to spending 800k for day player B yet when the price of A goes to the same value as B you shift targets. Constant moving pieces then the whole thing could revert
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That's plausible although I'd like to think we identify our top targets based on ability and have a maximum price we are willing to bid rather than let the price drive the selection process. The thing that does change for sure is the sudden availability of new targets due to transfer movement elsewhere. I also think that there's a lot of gamesmanship involved and we may show interest in rival targets in order to unnerve the team selling our main target.

A bit like fancying a bird but showing interest in her mate first to make her jealous.
 
Come on blades, let's get this one over the line. This lad is ticking all the boxes!
 
This one is just making me laugh as I remember the call on 5 Live from a blackburn fan who was offended we didn't roll over for man utd (y'know all the big clubs sticking together) :D
Also David Mellor the host of said show said 'we'd kick them(manutd)off the pitch,' it was that game when Mark Hughes booted somebody up the arse. I know he isn't but I seriously hope mellor is destitute somewhere.
 
Ricky said:
Jesus, if we've made an opening bid of 400k then this lad must be the next Beckenbauer!
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I remember the good old days of 95-97 when every player we signed cost either £500k or £1.2m. Didn't we spend 500k on Carl Tiler? Good signing that.
 
8lade said:
This one is just making me laugh as I remember the call on 5 Live from a blackburn fan who was offended we didn't roll over for man utd (y'know all the big clubs sticking together) :D
Also David Mellor the host of said show said 'we'd kick them(manutd)off the pitch,' it was that game when Mark Hughes booted somebody up the arse. I know he isn't but I seriously hope mellor is destitute somewhere.
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Blackburn a big club? Apart from actually winning something in living memory they're not in our league. In fact, they're in the league below of course. No cap-doffing necessary.
 
mancunianblade said:
I remember the good old days of 95-97 when every player we signed cost either £500k or £1.2m. Didn't we spend 500k on Carl Tiler? Good signing that.
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£1.2m on Hutchison, on the other hand...

The classy all action goal scoring midfielder who did none of the above for us...

I had real high hopes for him but he was a huge disappointment. Brian Howard and James Harper later followed in his footsteps...
 
If we manage to sign Lenihan and Heneghan, then we only need to sign Doberman, to have the full house.

"...Lenihan,Heneghan, Doberman on the double heeeeyyyyyaaaa!!!..."

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It seems that most clubs have an 'auto fuck off' response to the opening offers for their players... before the serious bargaining starts.

It is a lesson we could do with learning when clubs come knocking on our door ... instead of 'Deal ... would you like Henderson's Relish with that?'
 
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Pinchy said:
£1.2m on Hutchison, on the other hand...

The classy all action goal scoring midfielder who did none of the above for us...

I had real high hopes for him but he was a huge disappointment. Brian Howard and James Harper later followed in his footsteps...
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At least we got some minutes out of him compared to the other Central midfielder we have who cost £1.2m and also spent time at everton o_O
 
B14Nco said:
Why are people so obsessed with how 'shit' we are with negotiating deals when we've brought 4 players in and (again) as yet not missed out on anyone?
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Because it then provides another opportunity to have a pop at McCabe. Accusations about being 'tight' or an 'unrealistically small budget' can be thrown in and then before you know it, 'McCabe is screwing us again'.

'Where did the semi final money go', eh?
 

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