Football hooliganism and United

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As someone who's only been going to the lane for the last twenty years I haven't really encountered much violence at Blades games, aside from the very occasional brawl breaking out between relatively few fans. I've heard stories, and vaguely know about the 'BBC' etc. But it's quite hard to imagine.

Question to the fans that have been going since the 70s/80s and beyond: Have you noticed a big difference in hooliganism and violence at United games in modern times? If so, what's changed and why?
 



ljk said:
As someone who's only been going to the lane for the last twenty years I haven't really encountered much violence at Blades games, aside from the very occasional brawl breaking out between relatively few fans. I've heard stories, and vaguely know about the 'BBC' etc. But it's quite hard to imagine.

Question to the fans that have been going since the 70s/80s and beyond: Have you noticed a big difference in hooliganism and violence at United games in modern times? If so, what's changed and why?
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Nowadays it's a bunch of chavs shouting at each other across stands, over gates and through police escorts. Then after the match everyone sulks off quiet as a mouse. It's all about showing off for social media.
 
ourbob said:
In the past you'd get away with a kickin from the coppers or a £100 fine from the queen.

Now,your face in "the star"
Look north
Calendar
All your family knowing
HR at work.

The good days have gone.
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If anyone wants to pay me £100 for a couple of punches in the strictest confidence, I can offer this nostalgia upon request*.






* Retaliation strictly prohibited. Terms and conditions apply.
 
Cctv changed everything. Also now the younguns dont know where the line is, alot will not think twice about using a weapon. Most happens now in the less cctv covered area for fear of getting a banning order. Just not worth it anymore for most of us.
 
ljk said:
As someone who's only been going to the lane for the last twenty years I haven't really encountered much violence at Blades games, aside from the very occasional brawl breaking out between relatively few fans. I've heard stories, and vaguely know about the 'BBC' etc. But it's quite hard to imagine.

Question to the fans that have been going since the 70s/80s and beyond: Have you noticed a big difference in hooliganism and violence at United games in modern times? If so, what's changed and why?
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It's changed by a big margin.
When I was a kid in the late 70's, early 80's you didn't see anywhere near as many women or children at Bramall Lane. It was very working class then and hardly any girls at school had any interest in football.

Also you had to watch your back at every match. If there was a large group in the street near by without colours wearing fashions then you'd be wary and move to the other side of the road.

Also fans mixed more in stands. So again you had to have your wits about you. If you were in the South stand or John Street terrace and there was a shifty looking group without colours not singing United songs I'd slowly move to another part of the ground just in case anything kicked off.

Usually hooligans went searching for hooligans but sometimes innocent fans could get caught up in the middle. Remember it was standing then so very easy to move around and be hidden in the crowd.
Agree cctv, banning orders and also all seater stadiums has had a massive affect.
 
Back in the late 60s/70s there wasn't really an 'away end'

If you were brave/daft enough you went on your opponents kop and took your chance. Seen our kop 'taken' a couple of times
 
I'm a child of the 90's and therefore missed the worst of it.

But in the United documentary in 1989. Somebody makes the point that whilst he didn't condone the worst excesses of the BBC, they were formed as a necessary line of defence against visiting firms who would routinely attack normal supporters beforehand. So I have sympathy with the notion that they were a necessary evil at one point.
 
CCTV has stopped 90% of all hooliganism.
A clip or even a bit of a kick' in wouldn't bother me.
Having my door kicked in by the police, in front of my family and neighbours would however.
 



From the pig end said:
CCTV has stopped 90% of all hooliganism.
A clip or even a bit of a kick' in wouldn't bother me.
Having my door kicked in by the police, in front of my family and neighbours would however.
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What about having your back doors smashed in, in-front of your family and neighbours?
 
You'll find it more often goes off at gigs such as Stone Roses, Milburn, Courteeners etc between teams, and Sheffield it'll be on nights out such as friday or saturdays.
 
I once took an evening class at Millwall Technical College in 'Being Proper Nawty'.

But after a couple of weeks we'd only learnt how to stretch our arms wide like scarecrows whilst thrusting our chins out, so I switched to cookery. I make a really nice soufflé now.
 
JUST read Ronnie Sharpe's books - Sharpe as a Blade. They will tell you all you need to know.

As somebody said above, generally the "hooligans" sought each other out and us "normals", as they called us, just moved out of the way.

The main things that reduced the fighting though were all-seater stadiums and segregation.

UTB
 
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It could get quite spectacular in the late 60's through the 70's. The sight of up to 1000 nutters tearing into each other was a sight to behold with the coppers grabbing anyone within arms reach whether they were involved or not. You either got stuck in yourself or weighed up the odds (Leeds, Man U) and thought fuck this for a game of soldiers and stood half way round to the cricket pavillion for the rest of the match.

Away matches could be hairy as United fans, although they could take a fair few away, usually ended up scattered around the ground and several times I found myself surrounded by the wrong 'uns. We were often easy pickings at away matches in them days.
 
ourbob said:
In the past you'd get away with a kickin from the coppers or a £100 fine from the queen.

Now,your face in "the star"
Look north
Calendar
All your family knowing
HR at work.

The good days have gone.
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dont forget it wasnt the coppers :rolleyes: them steps were very steep and slippy in west bar :D
 
Aston max said:
dont forget it wasnt the coppers :rolleyes: them steps were very steep and slippy in west bar :D
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And they made the excuses for your fat lip and shiners as you was resisting arrest. Even though you was cuffed and face down on the deck. Cunts.
 
My other halves brother got expelled from Harvard over in the US a few years ago and he came over to live with us. My brother was a big West Ham 'fan' and supposedly ran a firm down there...

Anyway he got 'r lasses brother into it, and they went all over, used to see them both with black eyes, cuts, bandages every other week...

My brother was beat to death during a brawl with the Millwall 'firm'... Their top boy went down for it, a bloke called Tommy Hatcher. Loads from each side got put away as well.

RIP Pete.
 
SteveBlade said:
My other halves brother got expelled from Harvard over in the US a few years ago and he came over to live with us. My brother was a big West Ham 'fan' and supposedly ran a firm down there...

Anyway he got 'r lasses brother into it, and they went all over, used to see them both with black eyes, cuts, bandages every other week...

My brother was beat to death during a brawl with the Millwall 'firm'... Their top boy went down for it, a bloke called Tommy Hatcher. Loads from each side got put away as well.

RIP Pete.
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As the years went by the numbers involved in hooliganism got less and less but at the same time it became more and more vicious. It all became bollocks and a mugs game. Horrible story that SteveBlade and my regrets and condolences.
 



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