Fuck me...

[Foxy]

Hey Foxy tha gettin mi all confused !

Blackie wern't my cuppa tea but nope i'm not sayin ditch him more like back him !

Mind yer his tactics yesterday were piss poor.

Glad we cleared that one up, nice sidestep on the other questions too by the way?

 

[beightonblade]

Just ask for clarification if tha not sure.

 

[beightonblade]

Glad we cleared that one up, nice sidestep on the other questions too by the way?

Its called the McCabe Way !

I'm answering nowt till i feel i've got a QUALITY answer !

 

[silverfox]

Just ask for clarification if tha not sure.

So "Piss of Blackie" doesn't mean you want him to piss off!

Now I get it!

 

[beightonblade]

I sometimes tell 'our gert' to piss off but i love her to bits.

 

[silverfox]

I sometimes tell 'our gert' to piss off but i love her to bits.

You are more confusing than Uniteds tactics!

 

[Dronfield_Blade]

so its all McCabes fault still that blackwell hasn't spent his money?

I said go and support man city as all you seem to be bothered about is the "lies" of investment. If you want to see a team that says they will invest, and will do heavily, go and support man city. If like me it concers you but takes back seat to watching united, shut up moaning about it and get on with supporting.



We aren't going to play with no fear every game and some players are going to have an off day. I suppose you go into work every day of you life with "no fear" and giving 100%, or do some days go by with everything against you? you have a customer complaining at you before you have even started work?

You said you were at wigan giving your support for them trying, maybe the players would try harder and play better without comments of calling players c*nts and calling monty out before he even kick the ball and actual support.

We will have off days and going off like you have been doing after 3 bad games into a season is utter tosh and no good for the players.

I am Entitled to moan at McCabe when he has not put enough money into the first team when he should be doing Kevin McCabe is has been blubbering on about substantial funds available for the past 2 seasons yet we have seen sod all available for investents in the first team he should keep his mouth shut if he has no intention of fulfilling these promises.

And as for going of like i am is there any wonder when it was just as bad as any game under Bryan Robson!!! Blackwell was Tactically Inept yesterday and deserves to be slated for it simple as that.

we will see what happens on Tuesayd night but if he picks the same side again then i am sorry but that says to me that there is no hope for Blackwell at all.

 

[Foxy]

we will see what happens on Tuesayd night but if he picks the same side again then i am sorry but that says to me that there is no hope for Blackwell at all.

Would this be like when many slagged him for not making changes after Brum?

I'm afraid he is paid to pick the team given that he is substantially more qualified to do so than any of us.

Perhaps you'd like to enlighten me how you can call him thick, given that he's far more qualified in the field you criticise him than many premiership managers?

 

[Dronfield_Blade]

Would this be like when many slagged him for not making changes after Brum?

I'm afraid he is paid to pick the team given that he is substantially more qualified to do so than any of us.

Perhaps you'd like to enlighten me how you can call him thick, given that he's far more qualified in the field you criticise him than many premiership managers?

Calm down Foxy it was just a figure of speech

 

[Foxy]

Calm down Foxy it was just a figure of speech

I'm totally calm thank you , just wondered if you could back up your assertions with any real substance.

Evidently not.

 

[Dronfield_Blade]

Would this be like when many slagged him for not making changes after Brum?

I'm afraid he is paid to pick the team given that he is substantially more qualified to do so than any of us.

Perhaps you'd like to enlighten me how you can call him thick, given that he's far more qualified in the field you criticise him than many premiership managers?

He got his tactics wrong against Birmingham Cardiff and Derby like i have already said there was no pace no creativity and a real lack of width because we do not have any natural wingers on the pitch.

It's not Rocket science that having two natural wingers benefits the team and strikers Greatly look at Wolves now they are flying they have Kightly down the right and Jarvis down the left with a strong spine to the team with Karl Henry and David Jones in midfield they are scoring goals for fun and there strikers are loving it because they have the 3 things that we don't have at present and that is Pace Creativity & Width which is always beneficial to the strikers.

It's no coincedence that we started scoring alot of Goals and creating things when Cotterill was on the Right wing with Hi Pace Creativity & him creating width on the right Hand side.

It was the same when Paul Ifill was he here he was quality for us he had added all the things that i have just mentioned to the team during the promotion season he scored 9 and created 8 Goals and no one has bettered that record since so it certainly pays to have good wingers at the club.

Im hoping Kevin Blackwell learns from his mistakes because i have backed him and had confidence in him but from what i have seen so far i am fast begining to lose that confidence.

 

[ClarkeBhoy]

when was wednesday last above us in the league table? I cannot believe i am going to say this but wednesday are playing better than us at the moment.

 

[silverfox]

when was wednesday last above us in the league table? I cannot believe i am going to say this but wednesday are playing better than us at the moment.

And as football goes why shouldn't they?

If a team plays well they play well!

Isn't the game of football like that or have I got it wrong??

They have been better than us for most of my watching football which I presume is longer than yours.

What right do we have to be better?

 

[Foxy]

He got his tactics wrong against Birmingham Cardiff and Derby like i have already said there was no pace no creativity and a real lack of width because we do not have any natural wingers on the pitch.

Sadly, we won't win every single game in this league, no-one will. Every time we fail to win, tactics, team selects etc will all be called into question. This has the benefit of one very large factor, hindsight.

Now against Birmingham, we created far more chances than they did (whilst not looking all that dangerous admittedly). We made a talented team look more than ordinary going forward and defended resolutely, until the very last minute. You could hardly say the tactics were horribly wrong could you? Tactically, it went very well until Phillips came up with their first shot on target with virtually the last kick of the game. A draw would have been respectable, but we made enough chances to win the game. Surely in those circumstances it was down to the players not taking chances?

It's not Rocket science that having two natural wingers benefits the team and strikers Greatly look at Wolves now they are flying they have Kightly down the right and Jarvis down the left with a strong spine to the team with Karl Henry and David Jones in midfield they are scoring goals for fun and there strikers are loving it because they have the 3 things that we don't have at present and that is Pace Creativity & Width which is always beneficial to the strikers.

It's no coincedence that we started scoring alot of Goals and creating things when Cotterill was on the Right wing with Hi Pace Creativity & him creating width on the right Hand side.

Remind me where our only goal came from on Saturday?, A ball up the channel to Sharp, who held the ball up before playing to Halford, who put in a perfect cross from the byline. If that isn't decent wide play, I don't know what is.

You are 100% right with the things you say about Cotts last season, sadly that was last season. As I've mentioned elsewhere, for me, he looks like he needs a proper pre-season. Barring the odd run where he's beat 2 men and then given no end product, he hasn't looked a patch on last season.

Halford for me should keep his place, with Cotts on the bench, playing plenty of reserve matches.

It's all well and good being a "natural" winger (although he's been described a lot of his career as a striker ), but when you don't impose yourself on a match and you consistantly cross behind everyone then you end up being kept out of the team.

Im hoping Kevin Blackwell learns from his mistakes because i have backed him and had confidence in him but from what i have seen so far i am fast begining to lose that confidence.

All managers make mistakes. Players and managers are not machines, we just hope that the mistakes are out weighed by the good moments. It's a little bit early 5 games in to be sure just what is going to happen over the season, look at Sunderland.

 

[dingledog]

Come on Tuesday night when it can all be repaired and we can have a big forum hug and start to be positive again

 

[Dronfield_Blade]

Sadly, we won't win every single game in this league, no-one will. Every time we fail to win, tactics, team selects etc will all be called into question. This has the benefit of one very large factor, hindsight.

Now against Birmingham, we created far more chances than they did (whilst not looking all that dangerous admittedly). We made a talented team look more than ordinary going forward and defended resolutely, until the very last minute. You could hardly say the tactics were horribly wrong could you? Tactically, it went very well until Phillips came up with their first shot on target with virtually the last kick of the game. A draw would have been respectable, but we made enough chances to win the game. Surely in those circumstances it was down to the players not taking chances?



Remind me where our only goal came from on Saturday?, A ball up the channel to Sharp, who held the ball up before playing to Halford, who put in a perfect cross from the byline. If that isn't decent wide play, I don't know what is.

You are 100% right with the things you say about Cotts last season, sadly that was last season. As I've mentioned elsewhere, for me, he looks like he needs a proper pre-season. Barring the odd run where he's beat 2 men and then given no end product, he hasn't looked a patch on last season.

Halford for me should keep his place, with Cotts on the bench, playing plenty of reserve matches.

It's all well and good being a "natural" winger (although he's been described a lot of his career as a striker ), but when you don't impose yourself on a match and you consistantly cross behind everyone then you end up being kept out of the team.




All managers make mistakes. Players and managers are not machines, we just hope that the mistakes are out weighed by the good moments. It's a little bit early 5 games in to be sure just what is going to happen over the season, look at Sunderland.

I agree that the move where Halford put in the ball was a quality move but how often do we see that from Halford or any of our other midfielders.

I just don't think Halford is a winger and i don't think halford can be as consistent as Cotterill so i think Cotterill should be played on the Right wing with monty being dropped and either Halford or Hendrie vying for the CM position.

you say he crosses behing people? but who was it who put all them quality balls in last season and who was it that every time he went forward he looked like he was going to provide an assist.

We hardly get anyone in the box so is there any wonder it makes the wingers Job alot harder? to pick out people.

 

[silverfox]

Come on Tuesday night when it can all be repaired and we can have a big forum hug and start to be positive again

Would I get my arms round you??

You may just have to do with a big kiss!

 

[Foxy]

I just don't think Halford is a winger and i don't think halford can be as consistent as Cotterill so i think Cotterill should be played on the Right wing with monty being dropped and either Halford or Hendrie vying for the CM position.

He's been consistently more dangerous than Cotts so far, that's my point. Whether that be from throws, scoring from a near impossible angle at Blackpool or a few good crosses he put in on Saturday.

you say he crosses behing people? but who was it who put all them quality balls in last season and who was it that every time he went forward he looked like he was going to provide an assist.

That's exactly what I said myself. He did and I hope he can return to that, but having seen him so far this season, I'd say he needs time in the reserves/coming off the bench to get back into the swing of things. With his lack of defensive nous, unless he's on form, it would be counter productive to bring him in from the start in place of Halford. We really can't afford a repeat of his dismal showing against the footballing might of Huddersfield, but he's shown little more since then.

We hardly get anyone in the box so is there any wonder it makes the wingers Job alot harder? to pick out people.

At times that is an issues, but in his last three appearances, we've got people into the box only for him to cross behind them all.

I have no doubt he has talent and can be a very useful and dangerous player, but at the moment we are better off with Halford in my opinion.

 

[Dronfield_Blade]

He's been consistently more dangerous than Cotts so far, that's my point. Whether that be from throws, scoring from a near impossible angle at Blackpool or a few good crosses he put in on Saturday.



That's exactly what I said myself. He did and I hope he can return to that, but having seen him so far this season, I'd say he needs time in the reserves/coming off the bench to get back into the swing of things. With his lack of defensive nous, unless he's on form, it would be counter productive to bring him in from the start in place of Halford. We really can't afford a repeat of his dismal showing against the footballing might of Huddersfield, but he's shown little more since then.



At times that is an issues, but in his last three appearances, we've got people into the box only for him to cross behind them all.

I have no doubt he has talent and can be a very useful and dangerous player, but at the moment we are better off with Halford in my opinion.

we have not seen Cotterill for a full 90 minutes in the league so how can you Judge him at the side of Halford IMO Halford is not good enough he is too slow for one IMO i think he would be better served in the centre of midfield or right back.

 

[Foxy]

we have not seen Cotterill for a full 90 minutes in the league so how can you Judge him at the side of Halford IMO Halford is not good enough he is too slow for one IMO i think he would be better served in the centre of midfield or right back.

In the 90 minutes in the cup against Huddersfield, all he did was beat a player, come back and try and take him on again and play the ball into touch. With the odd cross behind the strikers. It was a breath of fresh air when Naughton came on and showed him exactly what to do in that position.

Every minute he's played since, he's either looked disinterested or not a patch on last season.

He's clearly either not fit, or Wigan sent us an impersonator back.

I'm not saying Halford is the better player in the position, only that I don't think he deserves to be dropped for Cotts at the moment. Cotts needs time on the pitch, but we can't afford to carry him. Either time off the bench or in the reserves until he starts looking the same player in my opinion.

Long term, i'd imagine we will see Cotts back in the side and causing trouble for the opposition. I just don't think its going to be as soon as people think.

 

[Come from away]

Come on Tuesday night when it can all be repaired and we can have a big forum hug and start to be positive again

Looking forward to that hug!!!

 

[silverfox]

Looking forward to that hug!!!

When are you with us next?

Be good to see you again!

 

[Come from away]

Coming back for the Palace game, Neil and Blackie together again, should be fun.

 

[silverfox]

Coming back for the Palace game, Neil and Blackie together again, should be fun.

I'm sure it will be!

 

[TonyAgana]

A ball up the channel to Sharp, who held the ball up before playing to Halford, who put in a perfect cross from the byline. If that isn't decent wide play, I don't know what is.

Halford for me should keep his place, with Cotts on the bench, playing plenty of reserve matches.

It's all well and good being a "natural" winger (although he's been described a lot of his career as a striker ), but when you don't impose yourself on a match and you consistantly cross behind everyone then you end up being kept out of the team.

I'm not sure Foxy. I think I have to agree with KingBlade on this one. It's not about "carrying" players that don't impose themselves on games. For me, at least, it's about playing the odds. Cotterill WILL get more happening down the wings than Halford over several games. Whether that consists of 50 runs resulting in only 10 decent crosses, it doesn't matter to me. So long as we get the crosses in. It was the same as when, like KingBlade said, Ifill was here, CKR was here, and Nuddy. You have to take the rough with the smooth with these types of players.

Halford did get a great assist in on Saturday, and well done to him for that, but it just takes the guy far too long to get his brain in gear to make his runs. Sharp held the ball up on countless occasions and was looking around to release it for far too long before runs were made. It's in those situations where I KNOW a more attacking midfield would offer an option much sooner and get things moving into the final third.

Derby's back four were completely flat and not very well lead. We exposed this perfectly with Halford's overlap but we never attempted to exploit it. As soon as Danny Webber was on the field, he was running at players, taking them on and feeding people into the box for the first time in 80 minutes. The game was crying out for him - in fact, no, it was just crying out for something different. Why it took us so long to change it, I can't understand. That's why I was left disappointed. Not because we lost but because we didn't try to fix what was obviously broken much sooner than we did.

 

[Foxy]

Halford did get a great assist in on Saturday, and well done to him for that, but it just takes the guy far too long to get his brain in gear to make his runs. Sharp held the ball up on countless occasions and was looking around to release it for far too long before runs were made. It's in those situations where I KNOW a more attacking midfield would offer an option much sooner and get things moving into the final third.

I'd agree, with an on form Cotterill. But even after he came on, with tired defenders to exploit, SJH regularly came further up field than him. Fair enough everyone has their bad games, but at Huddersfield Cotterill was destructive to our forward play rather than constructive. Until he picks up (which will only happen with minutes on the pitch... hence my reserves + coming on as a sub comment) I'd say even a non-overlapping Halford is creating far more danger to the opposition.

 

[TonyAgana]

I'd say even a non-overlapping Halford is creating far more danger to the opposition.

I think that's the point on which we disagree. Short-term you might be right with his long throws and Cotterill's shaky form, but we need to get at least one winger in the starting 11. Since we're struggling for numbers on the left, I think the best option is Cotterill on the right. Give him a run and long-term it'll pay dividends.

 

[Foxy]

I think that's the point on which we disagree.

Again, only if Cotterill can get back to being able to actually fulfil last seasons promise. So far, Halford has scored himself, put in some cracking crosses and his long throws are better than most corners. Cotterill on the other hand, has beat 2 men a couple of times before losing the ball or crossing behind the strikers.

Perhaps if he'd had more time on the pitch then he would have created more, but the problem is, unless he's creating he'll offer little else. Unless the rest of the team can cover this (at the moment it's not looking likely) then it's a major risk starting him at the moment.

I totally agree in the long term, but the way they are both currently playing and looking, I think it would be detrimental to the side dropping Halford for Cotts. Give him more time in the reserves and coming off the bench till he looks fit/interested.

 

[matth]

Sixth in the table and a defeat against a team who desperately needed to win.

Our own fans hate some of our players more than any opposition fans ever will.

Fans going to the match and whinging before we've even kicked off.

Calls for a change of manager/chairman.

Can someone answer me truthfully... when did we turn into Sheffield Wednesday?

Some of our fans have got their heads rammed so far up their own arses they can't see who's had a good game or not. One season in the Premiership and everyone thinks we should be billy big bollocks... walking the league, getting every single player we want and spending hundreds of millions of pounds. Of course every team we play will just be falling over themselves to let us win, because we're Sheffield United and we're a MASSIVE club. They'd be honoured to gift us three points everywhere we go.

As for the money. Erm... Manchester City, the richest club in the world, couldn't get Berbatov to go to them. But yeah... McCabe should just chuck money at the situation and suddenly everyone will want to come.

I've seen the Blades lose all over the bloody place. Yet before our season in the Premiership, I've never heard such vitriol aimed towards our own players.

I've been to Stockport to stand and watch the Blades lose in the pissing down rain. Did the fans start booing... or did we have a pissed up conga? (Hint: it was the latter).

Seven years ago last Tuesday, Grimsby knocked us out of the league cup on penalties. Fair enough, the day will be best remembered for other events. But those events put football into perspective for most people and I don't think I'll ever go to a weirder football match.

I think the worst thing that could have ever happened to some of our fans was that promotion season and that year in the Premiership. I for one will enjoy football much more when not surrounded by people who think we're Manchester United in a stripy kit. By the sounds of it, it won't be long before they all piss off and watch someone else.

I'm upset about the defeat... but I find I'm more depressed at the state of our fans when I get home.

Might be best if you don't run a forum then

 

[TonyAgana]

Again, only if Cotterill can get back to being able to actually fulfil last seasons promise. So far, Halford has scored himself, put in some cracking crosses and his long throws are better than most corners. Cotterill on the other hand, has beat 2 men a couple of times before losing the ball or crossing behind the strikers.

Perhaps if he'd had more time on the pitch then he would have created more, but the problem is, unless he's creating he'll offer little else. Unless the rest of the team can cover this (at the moment it's not looking likely) then it's a major risk starting him at the moment.

I totally agree in the long term, but the way they are both currently playing and looking, I think it would be detrimental to the side dropping Halford for Cotts. Give him more time in the reserves and coming off the bench till he looks fit/interested.

Well that's the thing, isn't it. Halford doesn't deserve to lose his place in the team and that's KB's problem. But sooner or later we're going to need width and players who can bring us width consistently and naturally. We've been very 1-dimensional this season, which is fine so long as we start well and get a lead - which we have done for our wins. I just fear that we'll struggle to break teams down if we fail to start well. The combination of Halford, Quinn and Montgomery isn't going to bring about much supply for the front pair.