RS Jonny is at it again!

[Revolution]

Finishing 8th with the squad we had at the time was a significant underachievement .

Nonsense. We lost Kyle N before the season started, lost Kyle W and Kilgallon in January, and Kenny and Naysmith missed virtually the whole season. That's the whole defence aside from Morgan. There was no chance of a play off place after that.

 

[coolhandluke]

Was it down to the players under performing or the the manager merry go round that developed into the club becoming a joke or a mixture of the two who knows, The main point is CE as a player didn't pull any trees up in the 2 seasons in the championship, don't quite get why supporters think 6 years on he will all about opinions.

To an extent I agree . But to say categorically that Evans has NEVER done it at Championship level is wrong . He has shown he can do it at Championship level albeit never really with us .

 

[coolhandluke]

Nonsense. We lost Kyle N before the season started, lost Kyle W and Kilgallon in January, and Kenny and Naysmith missed virtually the whole season. That's the whole defence aside from Morgan. There was no chance of a play off place after that.

Are you saying we performed very well this season ?

 

[coolhandluke]

Maguire maybe , just coming into the team
Showed Bellamy what for by putting him on his arse v Taff's .

By the same token , Ched impoved aswell

 

[Darthblade]

In 2010, Cresswell and Henderson both scored 12 league goals and played less games than Evans. Jamie Ward scored 7 league goals in less games than Evans. Henri Camara also scored 4, in less games than Evans. Steven Quinn also scored 4 and was almost ever present. That bunch of loons who think Monty was a decent player were constantly telling us how well he was playing.

The following season, I will grant you, was a shambles.

I think Evans was suffering from a bad neck ......... from looking up into the clouds to find the ball under "hoofy's" bloody awful tactics .......

That's why Henderson and Cresswell did better. Evans likes the ball on the deck like Billy ......... which is why Billy didn't flourish under Blackwell / Warnock.

UTB & FTP

 

[dublin 10 blade]

By the same token , Ched impoved aswell

Im not saying he didnt , but that season bar wasnt very high though .

 

[Sean Thornton]

To an extent I agree . But to say categorically that Evans has NEVER done it at Championship level is wrong . He has shown he can do it at Championship level albeit never really with us .

 

[coolhandluke]

Im not saying he didnt , but that season bar wasnt very high though .

I fundamentally agree . That season was absolutely fucking awful . And yet Ched finished on 9 goals . Not exactly anything to get giddy about but in THAT team it was a miracle .

As for his future here in the Championship don't forget the influence Wilder will have before making hasty judgements on whether or not he'll hack it in the Championship .

 

[dublin 10 blade]

I fundamentally agree . That season was absolutely fucking awful . And yet Ched finished on 9 goals . Not exactly anything to get giddy about but in THAT team it was a miracle .

As for his future here in the Championship don't forget the influence Wilder will have before making hasty judgements on whether or not he'll hack it in the Championship .

Cool mate Im not disagreeing with ya , and Ive not said owt about Ched in " La liga " (pig talk for championship ,) it was pointed out to me years ago about his record at Norwich , and isnt that why we bought him at the time ?
No disrespect but I hope hes grown up a bit , and curbs his off field activities more .
And concentrates on the undoubted talent he does have , on it mate ,
I have my personal views on the Ched issue , and have touched on them briefly elsewhere .

 

[Lane Ender]

I think Evans was suffering from a bad neck ......... from looking up into the clouds to find the ball under "hoofy's" bloody awful tactics .......

That's why Henderson and Cresswell did better. Evans likes the ball on the deck like Billy ......... which is why Billy didn't flourish under Blackwell / Warnock.

UTB & FTP

Good point Billy and Ched both like it to feet proper footballers do

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Didn't we finish 8th in his first season but he didn't cut it on the pitch, as you say we were relegated the 2nd season which he was part of and still didn't pull any trees up. So I think there is an arguement to say he might struggle 6 years on in the Championship.

Fair point Derry. I mean, in those first two seasons I was saying that I thought he was the biggest waste of money since Chris Guthrie. But what I saw when he came under Wilson's command was something completely different. He was like a totally different player. Yes it's a bit of a gamble 5 years on, but from what I heard we've paid £150k - it will rise to £500k only if we get promoted to the Prem. In which case it will definitely have been worth it.

This summer isn't all about signing Ched. There'll be others. If that's what's worrying folks then they needn't fret. Ched will be a bonus.

 

[coolhandluke]

Cool mate Im not disagreeing with ya , and Ive not said owt about Ched in " La liga " (pig talk for championship ,) it was pointed out to me years ago about his record at Norwich , and isnt that why we bought him at the time ?
No disrespect but I hope hes grown up a bit , and curbs his off field activities more .
And concentrates on the undoubted talent he does have , on it mate ,
I have my personal views on the Ched issue , and have touched on them briefly elsewhere .

I fully understand and appreciate your concerns Dublin , I think we all have doubts about this move .

Personally speaking , if the 500 k we've seen quoted as a fee is an upfront payment I firmly believe we've had our pants pulled down on it . There's no way on earth that he's a half a million pound player right now .

His current run of niggling injuries also concern me . I know that 4 years out of professional football is going to take its toll on his fitness but to be fair he picked a lot up before he was out of the game aswell .

All in all though , with what's happened with Coutts this season if theres anyone that can deliver a Ched Evans who is firing on all cylinders , both physically and mentally , it's Chris Wilder .

Interesting times ahead .

 

[coolhandluke]

Just going back to the OP for a while . I listened to Football Heaven last night and on a couple of seperate occasions Blades called the show to commend the season we've had . The host however felt compelled to ask them their thoughts about Ched evans and us signing him even though the callers never mentioned him .

I suppose RS are only attempting to keep alive the story they broke in order to boost audience numbers , but they need to tread carefully as they could actually put a lot of the audience off .

 

[Houston_Blade]

It "one" not "wun" you stupid Leeds tosser.

 

[Robby Blade]

Might make an interesting thread...'Which Players Really Thrived Under Kevin Blackwell'

It would be the shortest thread ever.





Even with you contributing

 

[Pinchy]

I've decided to appoint all the RS hacks as my sexual consultants.

In other words, when I want their fucking opinions I'll ask for them...

 

[Benny and the Blades]

I'm as much divided about the Ched issue as most and on the signing as well. I just pray it's not going to be the Done scenario all over again, and he's only got that one good goal scoring season in him after all this trouble....
On F/H I listen with one ear just for the odd gem now and again.....

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I am a mild mannered person. I wouldn't go so far as to say "meek" - but over the years I have mellowed into a reasonable sort of chap. Not one prone to outbursts of rage or violence - not unless I am severely provoked.

But there is something about RS Jonny and his horrible flat Leeds accent and his constant talking over the top of people during the phone-in and his inability to know his stuff that really boileth my pith.

He was at his nauseating best again last night. The subject was to do with us signing new players for the Championship and he refers to it as "needed to stay in that division". So, that's your view then Dear Jonny boy is it? That we are going to struggle in the Championship and new signings will be needed to help us stay in that division? I think you are going to be surprised.

Then the subject got around to the inevitable Chedwyn. And Jonny tells us he's never cut it at Championship level. Well, it's true that in his first two seasons with us, in the Championship, he wasn't prolific in the goal-scoring department, hitting 4 goals in 36 games in the first season and 9 goals in 35 games in his second season. But that was a team in decline wasn't it? One that got relegated at the end of his second season. You have to take that into account. Also, in his previously spell in the Championship, whilst on loan at Norwich, he scored 10 goals in 28 games. That's better than a 1 goal every 3 games average. Highly respectable! I know the Norwich fans would have liked to have kept him.

Then sensible David from Bolton phones in and as usual, he'd got something worthwhile to say, but what it was we'll never know because RS Jonny jumps in mid-sentence and finishes off what he thought David was going to say for him.

I actually think both Andy Giddings and Rob Staton do a good job on that show. They are knowledgeable and give people a fair go to express their opinions. But that Jonny guy is a complete amateur, who sounds horrible, doesn't know his stuff and is hopeless at conducting a phone-in conversation because he wants to monopolise it or second guess what someone is saying.

FFS - get rid of him and let's have Paul Walker back.

Admittedly I don’t listen religiously but when I have, I’ve always found Jonathan to be one of the better facilitators of discussion. Paul for example is far more probe to shouting over those that don’t agree with him. As was Seth back in the day and to some extent, Rob Staton does it too. Jonathan has usually let people have their say and been less confrontational when I’ve listened. I agree about Giddings though. Excellent commentator and always comes across as a sensible chap in discussions.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Tried to say this on a different thread...both him and Sharp struggled in Blackwell's teams,but Ched was decent at Norwich and under Wilson,while Sharp flourished in other teams and has now had his best spell in three with United in a footballing team.
I still listen to RS,but not as often as I used to...I actually thought JB was decent when he first came on,but seems to be going down hill bit lately....I put Talk Sport on at work a lot,and while listening to Jim White's show on Tuesday when they were going on about Newcastle's promotion...I nearly spat my coffee out driving up the M11 when on comes that know all Mick the Rawmarsh Pig...He must spend his life phoning radio shows,can't get away from him,and I hear the Pitsmoor pillock is now polluting the airwaves on 5 live ffs.

I agree JB was better when he first started. I think the same goes for Rob Staton. When they’ve been on the air a while, I don’t know if their ego grows or if they just get sick of doing the phone in but they all seem to gradually become more confrontational and worse facilitators of discussion instead trying to impose their own views. On that front, I still think JB is one of the better ones but perhaps less so than when he first started.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Might make an interesting thread...'Which Players Really Thrived Under Kevin Blackwell'

Matt Kilgallon

Ugo Ehiogu

Gary Speed

Kyle Naughton

Kyle Walker

James Beattie


All very good players though. But they improved massively when Blackwell took over from Robson (or in the two Kyles case, they flourished when they broke into the team).


Billy Sharp started scoring when Blackwell first rolled up too. Even Simmonsen and Nosworthy had been decent the season before under Blackwell. It was during the relegation season that they turned into steaming turds.


Greg Halford also did very well under him. Jamie Ward was decent as was Cresswell. He and Hendo got about 15-16 goals each in that season didn’t they? Cotterill did well in spells for him but it turned sour.


I’ve not included Morgs because Morgs was just Morgs… no matter who the manager.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Matt Kilgallon

Ugo Ehiogu

Gary Speed

Kyle Naughton

Kyle Walker

James Beattie


All very good players though. But they improved massively when Blackwell took over from Robson (or in the two Kyles case, they flourished when they broke into the team).


Billy Sharp started scoring when Blackwell first rolled up too. Even Simmonsen and Nosworthy had been decent the season before under Blackwell. It was during the relegation season that they turned into steaming turds.


Greg Halford also did very well under him. Jamie Ward was decent as was Cresswell. He and Hendo got about 15-16 goals each in that season didn’t they? Cotterill did well in spells for him but it turned sour.


I’ve not included Morgs because Morgs was just Morgs… no matter who the manager.

Beatties goal stats show little difference under RedWine Robbo and Warnocks gopher.

 

[Silent Blade]

Matt Kilgallon

Ugo Ehiogu

Gary Speed

Kyle Naughton

Kyle Walker

James Beattie


All very good players though.

.

Kilgallon was an average player. Why do you think he was "very good"?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Kilgallon was an average player. Why do you think he was "very good"?

He's thinking of Killgannon.


A few years earlier, I used to think that a lot....

 

[Pinchy]

Matt Kilgallon

Ugo Ehiogu

Gary Speed

Kyle Naughton

Kyle Walker

James Beattie


All very good players though. But they improved massively when Blackwell took over from Robson (or in the two Kyles case, they flourished when they broke into the team).


Billy Sharp started scoring when Blackwell first rolled up too. Even Simmonsen and Nosworthy had been decent the season before under Blackwell. It was during the relegation season that they turned into steaming turds.


Greg Halford also did very well under him. Jamie Ward was decent as was Cresswell. He and Hendo got about 15-16 goals each in that season didn’t they? Cotterill did well in spells for him but it turned sour.


I’ve not included Morgs because Morgs was just Morgs… no matter who the manager.

Anyone seen Cotterill, Halford or Howard since 2-59 pm on 25th May 2009?

 

[Muttley]

It "one" not "wun" you stupid Leeds tosser.

Bloody grates on me too.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Beatties goal stats show little difference under RedWine Robbo and Warnocks gopher.

That’s a fair point but I thought his workrate and all round contribution improved under Blackwell. I remember one game after being regularly accused of laziness where he ran over half the length of the pitch to make a last ditch defensive tackle. It’s all subjective but I thought he improved under Blackwell. I’d say Killa and Ugo were perhaps the two biggest improvers though. They went from being very suspect to looking too good for the division.


For me, Blackwell’s problem wasn’t an inability to get the players to perform. His biggest issues were recruitment. During his reign (from memory so not perfect), out went Beattie, Hulse, Stead, Shelton, Naughton, Walker, Killa, Speed & Ehiogu (retired), Sharp, Cotteril, Gillespie, Bromby, Armstrong, Alan Quinn etc. and in came Taylor, Williamson, Seip, Spring, C. Beattie, Lupoli, Henderson, Nosworthy, Simmonsen, Evans, Bartley, Harper, Howard, Bogdanovic, Ertl, Yeates, Cresswell etc. There was the odd good signing like Halford, Ward etc. but overall, player trading during that period was woeful. We were actually pretty good when Blackwell was working with players he’d inherited rather than those he signed. Admittedly we were “cutting our cloth” but even with the budget reductions, he got awful value for money overall.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Kilgallon was an average player. Why do you think he was "very good"?

Well, it’s all relative but in those days, by championship standards, I would say he was very good. Especially in the season where we finished 3rd and lost to Burney in the final under Blackwell. Him, Morgs and Ehiogu was a fantastic contingent to choose from.

 

[BushBlade]

That’s a fair point but I thought his workrate and all round contribution improved under Blackwell. I remember one game after being regularly accused of laziness where he ran over half the length of the pitch to make a last ditch defensive tackle. It’s all subjective but I thought he improved under Blackwell. I’d say Killa and Ugo were perhaps the two biggest improvers though. They went from being very suspect to looking too good for the division.


For me, Blackwell’s problem wasn’t an inability to get the players to perform. His biggest issues were recruitment. During his reign (from memory so not perfect), out went Beattie, Hulse, Stead, Shelton, Naughton, Walker, Killa, Speed & Ehiogu (retired), Sharp, Cotteril, Gillespie, Bromby, Armstrong, Alan Quinn etc. and in came Taylor, Williamson, Seip, Spring, C. Beattie, Lupoli, Henderson, Nosworthy, Simmonsen, Evans, Bartley, Harper, Howard, Bogdanovic, Ertl, Yeates, Cresswell etc. There was the odd good signing like Halford, Ward etc. but overall, player trading during that period was woeful. We were actually pretty good when Blackwell was working with players he’d inherited rather than those he signed. Admittedly we were “cutting our cloth” but even with the budget reductions, he got awful value for money overall.

Which is why for the last ten years I've been saying he's a good coach but a shit manager.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Which is why for the last ten years I've been saying he's a good coach but a shit manager.

Yep. Can't argue with that.

 

[Pinchy]

We were actually pretty good when Blackwell was working with players he’d inherited rather than those he signed.

I can only assume that 'pretty good' is a reference to the half-decent results he achieved at first. The quality of football was horrible. Stephen Quinn, who was rightly known as Elpiton during SemiPro's tenure, went on record as saying that his career went backwards under both he and Quickfix Mickey.

The way we play now is scarcely recognisable as the same game, thank Pele.