A comparison regarding what to expect from Ched Evans next season

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If there are going to be numerous threads, let's at least be precise when it comes to the title, no "How about this", etc.

Some have said it's strange that we're looking at a league one striker who's scored just 7 goals to boost our attack for next season's return to the Championship. We know he scored loads before he went to jail, but he hasn't showed anywhere near that kind of scoring form for Chesterfield.

There aren't many similar scenarios. Of course there are players that have been out of the game, through injuries and long bans. But Ched Evans was out of the game for four years. Has there ever been a player that have made a come back after such a long time out?

It is natural to expect that it will take some time to get back to his best.

One player who was out of the game for 3 years was Lee Hughes. Let's not draw any more comparisons than that they are/were both:

  • goalgetters
  • out of the game for 3-4 years
  • surrounded by a lot of controversy

Lee Hughes was a decent 2nd tier striker for a number of years before he went to prison, scoring double figures every season, although the numbers seemed to be declining slightly.

He was 31 years old when he was released, signing for 3rd tier Oldham in 2007 and this was his record the following seasons:

  • 2007/08: 21 matches, 8 goals. Struggled with injuries, only scored 1 goal outside a strong 30 day period in the middle of the season.
  • 2008/09: 43 matches, 19 goals. A solid season in League One.
  • 2009/10: 45 matches, 33 goals, winning promotion for Notts County in League Two.
  • 2010/11: 37 matches, 16 goals for Notts County back in League One.


Looking at Ched Evans' comeback season:

  • 2016/17: 29 matches, 7 goals. Struggled with injuries.


Judging by their comeback seasons they are not too different. They both struggled with injuries, probably expected as the body gets used to the intensity of training and matches. Scoring 7 and 8 goals surely weren't the numbers they aimed for as their seasons started.

But Lee Hughes showed that he was capable of better, with another pre season under his belt, he got close to 20 goals. Although he then dropped down to League Two, 33 goals for Notts County was impressive. And he did alright back in League One the following season, despite being 34 years old when the season started.


Hughes' period out of the game was a year less than Evans'. But Evans returned aged 27, four years younger than Hughes.


There are many more factors that can influence things for Ched, but what I think we can learn from the above is that we should not use last season's meagre goal tally as proof that he can't do well again. It may be that it just takes time to get going again after such a long time out.

Personally I have only seen him when we played Chesterfield in November. I thought he looked very good in that game, strong and determined. I trust that Wilder and his team will have seen him a lot and feel confident that he's capable of getting back to his best. In that case we may have found ourselves a very good goal scorer who should be at his peak in the next couple of seasons for a bargain price.
 



If there are going to be numerous threads, let's at least be precise when it comes to the title, no "How about this", etc.

Some have said it's strange that we're looking at a league one striker who's scored just 7 goals to boost our attack for next season's return to the Championship. We know he scored loads before he went to jail, but he hasn't showed anywhere near that kind of scoring form for Chesterfield.

There aren't many similar scenarios. Of course there are players that have been out of the game, through injuries and long bans. But Ched Evans was out of the game for four years. Has there ever been a player that have made a come back after such a long time out?

It is natural to expect that it will take some time to get back to his best.

One player who was out of the game for 3 years was Lee Hughes. Let's not draw any more comparisons than that they are/were both:

  • goalgetters
  • out of the game for 3-4 years
  • surrounded by a lot of controversy

Lee Hughes was a decent 2nd tier striker for a number of years before he went to prison, scoring double figures every season, although the numbers seemed to be declining slightly.

He was 31 years old when he was released, signing for 3rd tier Oldham in 2007 and this was his record the following seasons:

  • 2007/08: 21 matches, 8 goals. Struggled with injuries, only scored 1 goal outside a strong 30 day period in the middle of the season.
  • 2008/09: 43 matches, 19 goals. A solid season in League One.
  • 2009/10: 45 matches, 33 goals, winning promotion for Notts County in League Two.
  • 2010/11: 37 matches, 16 goals for Notts County back in League One.


Looking at Ched Evans' comeback season:

  • 2016/17: 29 matches, 7 goals. Struggled with injuries.


Judging by their comeback seasons they are not too different. They both struggled with injuries, probably expected as the body gets used to the intensity of training and matches. Scoring 7 and 8 goals surely weren't the numbers they aimed for as their seasons started.

But Lee Hughes showed that he was capable of better, with another pre season under his belt, he got close to 20 goals. Although he then dropped down to League Two, 33 goals for Notts County was impressive. And he did alright back in League One the following season, despite being 34 years old when the season started.


Hughes' period out of the game was a year less than Evans'. But Evans returned aged 27, four years younger than Hughes.


There are many more factors that can influence things for Ched, but what I think we can learn from the above is that we should not use last season's meagre goal tally as proof that he can't do well again. It may be that it just takes time to get going again after such a long time out.

Personally I have only seen him when we played Chesterfield in November. I thought he looked very good in that game, strong and determined. I trust that Wilder and his team will have seen him a lot and feel confident that he's capable of getting back to his best. In that case we may have found ourselves a very good goal scorer who should be at his peak in the next couple of seasons for a bargain price.

Can someone remove this post? It's full of common sense and there is no outrage within, furthermore it hasn't been mentioned about the impact on the dressing room.
 
Can someone remove this post? It's full of common sense and there is no outrage within, furthermore it hasn't been mentioned about the impact on the dressing room.

Let me help out here......

Grrrrr. Rapist.....

Grrrrr.... Let us down

Oh. Not a rapist.......

Grrrrr.... Still let us down and cheated on Mrs Evans ...

Might be an asset, might not.... Grrrrr, don't know what to say now.

Grrrrr.
 
If there are going to be numerous threads, let's at least be precise when it comes to the title, no "How about this", etc.

Some have said it's strange that we're looking at a league one striker who's scored just 7 goals to boost our attack for next season's return to the Championship. We know he scored loads before he went to jail, but he hasn't showed anywhere near that kind of scoring form for Chesterfield.

There aren't many similar scenarios. Of course there are players that have been out of the game, through injuries and long bans. But Ched Evans was out of the game for four years. Has there ever been a player that have made a come back after such a long time out?

It is natural to expect that it will take some time to get back to his best.

One player who was out of the game for 3 years was Lee Hughes. Let's not draw any more comparisons than that they are/were both:

  • goalgetters
  • out of the game for 3-4 years
  • surrounded by a lot of controversy

Lee Hughes was a decent 2nd tier striker for a number of years before he went to prison, scoring double figures every season, although the numbers seemed to be declining slightly.

He was 31 years old when he was released, signing for 3rd tier Oldham in 2007 and this was his record the following seasons:

  • 2007/08: 21 matches, 8 goals. Struggled with injuries, only scored 1 goal outside a strong 30 day period in the middle of the season.
  • 2008/09: 43 matches, 19 goals. A solid season in League One.
  • 2009/10: 45 matches, 33 goals, winning promotion for Notts County in League Two.
  • 2010/11: 37 matches, 16 goals for Notts County back in League One.


Looking at Ched Evans' comeback season:

  • 2016/17: 29 matches, 7 goals. Struggled with injuries.


Judging by their comeback seasons they are not too different. They both struggled with injuries, probably expected as the body gets used to the intensity of training and matches. Scoring 7 and 8 goals surely weren't the numbers they aimed for as their seasons started.

But Lee Hughes showed that he was capable of better, with another pre season under his belt, he got close to 20 goals. Although he then dropped down to League Two, 33 goals for Notts County was impressive. And he did alright back in League One the following season, despite being 34 years old when the season started.


Hughes' period out of the game was a year less than Evans'. But Evans returned aged 27, four years younger than Hughes.


There are many more factors that can influence things for Ched, but what I think we can learn from the above is that we should not use last season's meagre goal tally as proof that he can't do well again. It may be that it just takes time to get going again after such a long time out.

Personally I have only seen him when we played Chesterfield in November. I thought he looked very good in that game, strong and determined. I trust that Wilder and his team will have seen him a lot and feel confident that he's capable of getting back to his best. In that case we may have found ourselves a very good goal scorer who should be at his peak in the next couple of seasons for a bargain price.

So it looks like 20 goals in 18/19 and hope we get relegated then. :eek:
 
If there are going to be numerous threads, let's at least be precise when it comes to the title, no "How about this", etc.

Some have said it's strange that we're looking at a league one striker who's scored just 7 goals to boost our attack for next season's return to the Championship. We know he scored loads before he went to jail, but he hasn't showed anywhere near that kind of scoring form for Chesterfield.

There aren't many similar scenarios. Of course there are players that have been out of the game, through injuries and long bans. But Ched Evans was out of the game for four years. Has there ever been a player that have made a come back after such a long time out?

It is natural to expect that it will take some time to get back to his best.

One player who was out of the game for 3 years was Lee Hughes. Let's not draw any more comparisons than that they are/were both:

  • goalgetters
  • out of the game for 3-4 years
  • surrounded by a lot of controversy

Lee Hughes was a decent 2nd tier striker for a number of years before he went to prison, scoring double figures every season, although the numbers seemed to be declining slightly.

He was 31 years old when he was released, signing for 3rd tier Oldham in 2007 and this was his record the following seasons:

  • 2007/08: 21 matches, 8 goals. Struggled with injuries, only scored 1 goal outside a strong 30 day period in the middle of the season.
  • 2008/09: 43 matches, 19 goals. A solid season in League One.
  • 2009/10: 45 matches, 33 goals, winning promotion for Notts County in League Two.
  • 2010/11: 37 matches, 16 goals for Notts County back in League One.


Looking at Ched Evans' comeback season:

  • 2016/17: 29 matches, 7 goals. Struggled with injuries.


Judging by their comeback seasons they are not too different. They both struggled with injuries, probably expected as the body gets used to the intensity of training and matches. Scoring 7 and 8 goals surely weren't the numbers they aimed for as their seasons started.

But Lee Hughes showed that he was capable of better, with another pre season under his belt, he got close to 20 goals. Although he then dropped down to League Two, 33 goals for Notts County was impressive. And he did alright back in League One the following season, despite being 34 years old when the season started.


Hughes' period out of the game was a year less than Evans'. But Evans returned aged 27, four years younger than Hughes.


There are many more factors that can influence things for Ched, but what I think we can learn from the above is that we should not use last season's meagre goal tally as proof that he can't do well again. It may be that it just takes time to get going again after such a long time out.

Personally I have only seen him when we played Chesterfield in November. I thought he looked very good in that game, strong and determined. I trust that Wilder and his team will have seen him a lot and feel confident that he's capable of getting back to his best. In that case we may have found ourselves a very good goal scorer who should be at his peak in the next couple of seasons for a bargain price.

There's some sense in what you say, but the absolute key difference is that Hughes consistently scored for fun at Championship level throughout his career before his incarceration – while doing well at League 1 and 2 standard afterwards, he didn't ever get back to anywhere near where he was before. Evans in contrast disappointed with us in the Championship, while scoring for fun in League 1 – well, till this season. I've seen the 1 in 2 with Norwich stat brought up elsewhere as a defence of his Championship record – that was so long ago that we were starting the season with Monty and Leggy as our dynamic duo in midfield.
 
Ched's likely to be a 15 goal Championship striker IMO - as long as he can get his injuries sorted, and as long as he's in a team that gives him a chance. He's lost some of the pace and agility he used to have, but he's gained a lot of strength, and still has that powerful shot.
 
There's some sense in what you say, but the absolute key difference is that Hughes consistently scored for fun at Championship level throughout his career before his incarceration – while doing well at League 1 and 2 standard afterwards, he didn't ever get back to anywhere near where he was before. Evans in contrast disappointed with us in the Championship, while scoring for fun in League 1 – well, till this season. I've seen the 1 in 2 with Norwich stat brought up elsewhere as a defence of his Championship record – that was so long ago that we were starting the season with Monty and Leggy as our dynamic duo in midfield.
We only properly played to Ched's strengths in one season and that was the one he scored goals in. I'm sure that playing in the current SUFC team he will score goals again, we won't be hoofing the ball up to him as we were in his early time at the club, instead he will have an excellent midfield feeding his runs with balls on the deck.
 



Let me help out here......

Grrrrr. Rapist.....

Grrrrr.... Let us down

Oh. Not a rapist.......

Grrrrr.... Still let us down and cheated on Mrs Evans ...

Might be an asset, might not.... Grrrrr, don't know what to say now.

Grrrrr.
Don't stop now -you're starting to get the hang of it (but maybe think about using capitals a bit)
 
Ched and sharp will work perfectly imo, cheds like a done type player but stronger and with a better eye for goal.

I reckon lavery will learn a lot from him as well.

Imagine ched muscling his way past defenders, if they go to him they leave sharp in the 6 yard box, if they leave him he'll get a good shot off.

If he can regain full fitness it could be a very effective partnership
 
We only properly played to Ched's strengths in one season and that was the one he scored goals in. I'm sure that playing in the current SUFC team he will score goals again, we won't be hoofing the ball up to him as we were in his early time at the club, instead he will have an excellent midfield feeding his runs with balls on the deck.


My only issue with this is his ongoing fitness. His performance in the early part of the game against us showed he hadn't lost it, and he looked strong. I'd expect the lay off to cause ongoing fitness problems. Can he get over that? Whatever the fee, if he can't it's a waste of money that could be spent elsewhere. Future spending on players will tell whether it's a sound monetary deal.
 
My only issue with this is his ongoing fitness. His performance in the early part of the game against us showed he hadn't lost it, and he looked strong. I'd expect the lay off to cause ongoing fitness problems. Can he get over that? Whatever the fee, if he can't it's a waste of money that could be spent elsewhere. Future spending on players will tell whether it's a sound monetary deal.
He'll have a full preseason under his belt
 
If there are going to be numerous threads, let's at least be precise when it comes to the title, no "How about this", etc.

Some have said it's strange that we're looking at a league one striker who's scored just 7 goals to boost our attack for next season's return to the Championship. We know he scored loads before he went to jail, but he hasn't showed anywhere near that kind of scoring form for Chesterfield.

There aren't many similar scenarios. Of course there are players that have been out of the game, through injuries and long bans. But Ched Evans was out of the game for four years. Has there ever been a player that have made a come back after such a long time out?

It is natural to expect that it will take some time to get back to his best.

One player who was out of the game for 3 years was Lee Hughes. Let's not draw any more comparisons than that they are/were both:

  • goalgetters
  • out of the game for 3-4 years
  • surrounded by a lot of controversy

Lee Hughes was a decent 2nd tier striker for a number of years before he went to prison, scoring double figures every season, although the numbers seemed to be declining slightly.

He was 31 years old when he was released, signing for 3rd tier Oldham in 2007 and this was his record the following seasons:

  • 2007/08: 21 matches, 8 goals. Struggled with injuries, only scored 1 goal outside a strong 30 day period in the middle of the season.
  • 2008/09: 43 matches, 19 goals. A solid season in League One.
  • 2009/10: 45 matches, 33 goals, winning promotion for Notts County in League Two.
  • 2010/11: 37 matches, 16 goals for Notts County back in League One.


Looking at Ched Evans' comeback season:

  • 2016/17: 29 matches, 7 goals. Struggled with injuries.


Judging by their comeback seasons they are not too different. They both struggled with injuries, probably expected as the body gets used to the intensity of training and matches. Scoring 7 and 8 goals surely weren't the numbers they aimed for as their seasons started.

But Lee Hughes showed that he was capable of better, with another pre season under his belt, he got close to 20 goals. Although he then dropped down to League Two, 33 goals for Notts County was impressive. And he did alright back in League One the following season, despite being 34 years old when the season started.


Hughes' period out of the game was a year less than Evans'. But Evans returned aged 27, four years younger than Hughes.


There are many more factors that can influence things for Ched, but what I think we can learn from the above is that we should not use last season's meagre goal tally as proof that he can't do well again. It may be that it just takes time to get going again after such a long time out.

Personally I have only seen him when we played Chesterfield in November. I thought he looked very good in that game, strong and determined. I trust that Wilder and his team will have seen him a lot and feel confident that he's capable of getting back to his best. In that case we may have found ourselves a very good goal scorer who should be at his peak in the next couple of seasons for a bargain price.

You speak a lot of sense regularly Bergen, so fair play to you. Your view has been calmly and sensibly laid down once again and i totally respect you for that.

Really though on this, Its impossible to do comparisons. There are so many variables no one can say for sure how it will turn out.

I hope he does really well, but he might not, its totally uncertain.

I think my worry is that we seem to have an obsession over one player. What about looking at some other strikers that might do better for us? Ones that have been scoring goals more regularly and more recently. We could do a lot worse than trying to get a young athletic striker on loan from a prem team, like Tammy Abrahams at Bristol City did this season. I just think the ched ship has sailed now, cant we all move on? I would even have tried to sign Matty Taylor from Bristol Rovers, he would have been cheaper and has scored lots more goals recently.

I will be over the moon if Ched does well for us, but after everything thats happened, to see him come back and be below par again in the championship for us would be seriously annoying.
 
There's some sense in what you say, but the absolute key difference is that Hughes consistently scored for fun at Championship level throughout his career before his incarceration – while doing well at League 1 and 2 standard afterwards, he didn't ever get back to anywhere near where he was before. Evans in contrast disappointed with us in the Championship, while scoring for fun in League 1 – well, till this season. I've seen the 1 in 2 with Norwich stat brought up elsewhere as a defence of his Championship record – that was so long ago that we were starting the season with Monty and Leggy as our dynamic duo in midfield.

I acknowledge what you're saying, and I also think Evans was very disappointing for us in the Championship. Personally I think it was a case of a young player not quite having found out how he was going to get goaIs at that level of football. Numerous other factors no doubt contributed. I think his 2011/12 season showed what he was capable of, and I struggle to believe it wouldn't have been good enough for handling the next level:

Evans 11-12.png

So for me it does come down to his ability to regain something close to that form.
 



You speak a lot of sense regularly Bergen, so fair play to you. Your view has been calmly and sensibly laid down once again and i totally respect you for that.

Really though on this, Its impossible to do comparisons. There are so many variables no one can say for sure how it will turn out.

I hope he does really well, but he might not, its totally uncertain.

I think my worry is that we seem to have an obsession over one player. What about looking at some other strikers that might do better for us? Ones that have been scoring goals more regularly and more recently. We could do a lot worse than trying to get a young athletic striker on loan from a prem team, like Tammy Abrahams at Bristol City did this season. I just think the ched ship has sailed now, cant we all move on? I would even have tried to sign Matty Taylor from Bristol Rovers, he would have been cheaper and has scored lots more goals recently.

I will be over the moon if Ched does well for us, but after everything thats happened, to see him come back and be below par again in the championship for us would be seriously annoying.

I agree that it is uncertain, my main point is that this season's record shouldn't be the only thing we judge Ched's potential ability on.

I think Tammy Abrahams will be out of reach. Matty Taylor also looked good to me, but signed for Bristol City in January and hasn't yet adapted to Championship level. With Sharp and Clarke above 30, Lavery injury prone and Hanson probably not a regular, we need to keep looking at new strikers and I agree that Premiership loans is something we should consider.
 

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