Desso

[Tunstall Fred]

I think you are banging your head against a brick wall Pomps, Wilder don't moan about the state of pitches if we don't play so well so I don't know why people come here posting it is because we didn't play on a Desso. I bet you never get an answer to why we manage to win so many away games. Strange how only a few can see the link to having a manager who is a cut above Wilson, Weir and the two Nigels and for once not selling our best players. All achieved by the way on a reduced budget.[/QUOTE

The Desso pitch is there, it isn't going to be removed no matter how much people (well, you) squawk about it.
The management isn't shit any more.
Why keep going on, and on, and on about it?
IT DOESN'T MATTER.

It doesn't matter?,wash your mouth out

 

[Tunstall Fred]

The Desso installation was first announced in April 2014, being paid for by the Cup runs under Clough. Murphy was sold some sixteen months later.

And Mark Duffy was sold in January 2017 to pay for the final instalment of the Desso

 

[Blend-it-like-Harris]

The butterfly effect is a wonderous and mysterious thing. Who knows what events in our recent history have brought us to where we are now? What if Murphy hadn't gone? What if we hadn't invested in the Desso? What if Adkins were still here (maybe Hammond too)? - Jeeezuz, what a thought. As soon as Cardiff CC sent Ched down for 5 years, I told my distraught son Ched'd be out of jail before us because at that point we were condemned to 5 years ourselves. We were top of the league then and we're top of the league now, but our prospects couldn't be more different now.
We're headed back guys, and I for one am looking forward to getting Wendy on that playing surface next season.

Footnote: What if that referee's coin had landed t'other way up and it had been Huddersfield facing the Blades fans and having to take 11 penalties in order to escape from the 3rd tier (oh so many tears.....) of English football?

 

[Baw Heid]

Also worth mentioning, that the club spent a lot of money getting Desso pitches for the academy sides. A lot of games get called of at this level, but not so many at Shirecliffe.

The academy pitches are normal grass but they do get relayed frequently and are in excellent condition. I think the 1st team training pitches are grass as well but I could be wrong. If I'm right then you could say the first team should train on Desso

 

[pommpey]

I'm afraid you are asking that question of the wrong person Pommpey. It's not a claim I have ever made save referencing Wilders positive comments about it, if I recall correctly.

I gave a timeline of events earlier, think you may have missed it.

Duffy though, January, what happened?

It seems, miraculously, like someone (maybe you) has had a word with McCabe about the dynamics of selling players versus league position. Certainly, past evidence suggests that selling people like Blackman, Lowton, MacDonald, Maguire and Murphy (to name but a few) may hamper our chances of getting out of this dismal division.

If it was you who told him about this, thanks. Thanks from us all, in fact. You've done us all a favour.

Sean Thornton. The man who got us promoted. There you go.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

When we decided to buy the Desso we had just had loads of games postponed

'Loads'? Where?

This means we postpone less games (better),

Eh? Where did we have that happen?

have more Saturday games (better),

Except when teams can't fulfil that. Like Oxford tomorrow, for example

have less games than most of our rivals at the end of the season (better),

Could you show some working out on this, please?

have a pitch that rewards good football and encourages us to build a team that plays it (better).

I give you '2015-16 season'. Shit football on a good playing surface. Beaten by Shrewsbury who play on a cowfield.

Because of this our likelihood of moving onwards and upwards is better.

I give you 2015-16 season. Finished 11th

Anybody who thinks that we wouldn't have a Desso if Murphy had stayed or that we would have done better if we hadn't bought it is living in False News land IMO.

No. If Murphy has stayed, we'd possibly be right in the shit financially. Mind you, we'd have had to suffer no Woolford.

We are going to be a top side again, top sides need and have quality facilities.

We are hopefully getting promoted to the Championship. How many Championship sides have Desso pitches?

Fallacies.

pommpey

 

[sitwell]

Why do you keep harking back to last season ,with that muppet in charge ,you may as well talk about the mid twenties.

 

[pommpey]

Nobody is claiming that a Desso pitch can turn a poor side into a good one. .

Yes they are. Apart from that, thanks for your reasoned argument 1dw. I take your points, don't necessarily agree with all of them but its a sound construct.

But one thing we have parity on is TopCat. If United go to the wall and McCabe runs off with all the money and BDTBL burns to the ground in a mysterious fire, the one certainty is that Geeeeeetarman is a bit of a throbber. I look forward to chucking out time tonight when his mum is in bed and he gets the chance to log on and pretend he is has Sean or Bert's dextterity or summat.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

Why do you keep harking back to last season ,with that muppet in charge ,you may as well talk about the mid twenties.

Um. Because we played on the Desso, perhaps?

Do keep up.

pommpey

 

[sitwell]

But we didn't play a style conducive to the pitch ,which is kind of pertinent really.

 

[PeteBlade]

No real point in going over old ground is there Pete, I doubt you can show any evidence to back up your claims whatever they are? Did last seasons squad of no hoper's even get us anywhere near the play off's on the Desso? Did J Wallace suddenly become injury free or any of the rest never pick up an injury by playing on a Desso? Has the Desso brought in significant income from other events? No thought not.

So the answer to my question is no then?

 

[PeteBlade]

Don't talk about that Metal. Far better to make shit up that the Desso has reduced injuries and is bringing cash into BDTBL from all the other events on it and explain Murphy's sale as beyond our control. Next we'll be led to believe selling Murphy caused the purchase of Sharp ...

pommpey

So the answer to my question is no then?

 

[NE Blade]

I don't understand why some posters are so keen to continually bring this up and bait pommpey?

It seems to me to be a perfectly valid argument to suggest spending that much on a pitch while in the 3rd division wasn't the best use of funds. You don't have to agree with it but it's not that hard to see the undeniable logic.

Selling the family silver every transfer window has also proved disastrous. The board have finally turned away from that policy. I would have assumed that was enough to please most Blades but it seems that for some, they need the added sweetener of repeatedly kicking another poster in the bollocks because he was skeptical about whether McCabe would finally hold his nerve.

No one gets it right every time; except maybe Wilder!

 

[Silent Blade]

I don't understand why some posters are so keen to continually bring this up and bait pommpey?

It seems to me to be a perfectly valid argument to suggest spending that much on a pitch while in the 3rd division wasn't the best use of funds. You don't have to agree with it but it's not that hard to see the undeniable logic.

Selling the family silver every transfer window has also proved disastrous. The board have finally turned away from that policy. I would have assumed that was enough to please most Blades but it seems that for some, they need the added sweetener of repeatedly kicking another poster in the bollocks because he was skeptical about whether McCabe would finally hold his nerve.

No one gets it right every time; except maybe Wilder!

It has been said many times that buying the Desso doesnt affect our budget in wages and signing players. pommpey is aware of this. See number 3 in below link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29361839

 

[NE Blade]

I don't understand why some posters are so keen to continually bring this up and bait pommpey?

It seems to me to be a perfectly valid argument to suggest spending that much on a pitch while in the 3rd division wasn't the best use of funds. You don't have to agree with it but it's not that hard to see the undeniable logic.

Selling the family silver every transfer window has also proved disastrous. The board have finally turned away from that policy. I would have assumed that was enough to please most Blades but it seems that for some, they need the added sweetener of repeatedly kicking another poster in the bollocks because he was skeptical about whether McCabe would finally hold his nerve.

No one gets it right every time; except maybe Wilder!

It has been said many times that buying the Desso doesnt affect our budget in wages and signing players. pommpey is aware of this. See number 3 in below link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29361839

Isn't the below quote also true though?

'However the Football League use a is broader definition of Turnover. Crucially, the FL Turnover figure includes donations from the owners to the club and injections of equity.'

Source: http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/scmp.php

So for arguments sake, if our board had £1million to 'invest' wouldn't they be better adding equity to the club's balance sheet and then spending it on a Simon Moore or Jack O'Connell for example?

 

[Sean Thornton]

It seems, miraculously, like someone (maybe you) has had a word with McCabe about the dynamics of selling players versus league position. Certainly, past evidence suggests that selling people like Blackman, Lowton, MacDonald, Maguire and Murphy (to name but a few) may hamper our chances of getting out of this dismal division.

If it was you who told him about this, thanks. Thanks from us all, in fact. You've done us all a favour.

Sean Thornton. The man who got us promoted. There you go.

pommpey

So all that defective guff to say you can't reconcile the timing differences between the two events. Tragic.

Your original claim re the Desso was that we sold Murphy to pay for it and now even you can see it's not the case you widen it to, for example, Lowton to muddy the waters despite an even earlier departure date. Who next, Willie Carlin, Gary Hamson? Keeping the best players - when you can - is obviously the best policy, surprisingly it's not just you who's grasped that fact but at the end of the the day it's your laughable inability to accept you claim of Murphy or Desso is pure fantasy. As is the claim that Murhy didn't want to better himself by playing at a higher level and he himself saying he had full Scottish cap ambitions.

Now you've imagined some conversation with McCabe to pad out the post. you'll be saying it happened down the line.

There's none so blind as them that won't see, as my Gran used to say.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Isn't the below quote also true though?

'However the Football League use a is broader definition of Turnover. Crucially, the FL Turnover figure includes donations from the owners to the club and injections of equity.'

Source: http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/scmp.php

So for arguments sake, if our board had £1million to 'invest' wouldn't they be better adding equity to the club's balance sheet and then spending it on a Simon Moore or Jack O'Connell for example?

The funding came from up runs. It was in the press at the time. For some reason, maybe some sort of professional feasibility study, the club saw it as the way forward. The unknown but minimal when it suits maintenance costs are pooh poohed as one reason as is cost in general.

They put in eight million that season just to cover losses. I doubt not spending on the Desso would have meant they put a million or so less in.

 

[Sean Thornton]

The Desso installation was first announced in April 2014, being paid for by the Cup runs under Clough. Murphy was sold some sixteen months later.

Was it Sean? Really? Maybe that Pommpey bloke can tell us how it works that the two are inextricably linked? And I'm sure he'll do it simply and consisely without the usual verbosity and deflection, so us proles can understand it once and for all.

 

[NE Blade]

The funding came from up runs. It was in the press at the time. For some reason, maybe some sort of professional feasibility study, the club saw it as the way forward. The unknown but minimal when it suits maintenance costs are pooh poohed as one reason as is cost in general.

They put in eight million that season just to cover losses. I doubt not spending on the Desso would have meant they put a million or so less in.

Perhaps it is a good long term investment. I wouldn't pretend to know the facts and figures that the decision was made on. Let's hope so. It is however true that the board could have chosen to spend the money on something else. They didn't. What's done is done. The only reason I posted was because it seems ridiculous that this is brought up time and again.

sitwell, thank god we had the Desso when we played Rochdale at home this season. Didn't we absolutely smash them.....1-1?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Was it Sean? Really? Maybe that Pommpey bloke can tell us how it works that the two are inextricably linked? And I'm sure he'll do it simply and consisely without the usual verbosity and deflection, so us proles can understand it once and for all.

Concisely. I'm ashamed.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

UTB

 

[Sean Thornton]

Perhaps it is a good long term investment. I wouldn't pretend to know the facts and figures that the decision was made on. Let's hope so. It is however a true that the board could have chosen to spend the money on something else. They didn't. What's done is done. The only reason I posted was because it seems ridiculous that this is brought up time and again.

sitwell, thank god we had the Desso when we played Rochdale at home this season. Didn't we absolutely smash them.....1-1?

Exactly NE. We don't know the facts. What we do know however, is that the contractual obligation for the Desso was taken sixteen months before the Murphy sale.

 

[NE Blade]

Exactly NE. We don't know the facts. What we do know however, is that the contractual obligation for the Desso was taken sixteen months before the Murphy sale.

Agreed

 

[JohnDenver]

Concisely. I'm ashamed.

Tsk. That's put me right back in the anti-Desso camp has that.

 

[alcoblade]

We drew at home to Rochdale - hence the Desso isn't worth it.

We weren't promoted last season, so the Desso isn't worth it.

I don't really care either way, but this logic is absolute statistical nonsense.

Aside from the usual "massive" blade hater, there's a few others entering the race for muppet of the century.

UTB

 

[Foxy]

The Desso installation was first announced in April 2014, being paid for by the Cup runs under Clough. Murphy was sold some sixteen months later.

And was booked and enquired about before this.

 

[Sean Thornton]

And was booked and enquired about before this.

That's more or less the announcement date so yes.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

That's more or less the announcement date so yes.

In the Good Old Days we played on soil and grass .

 

[metalblade]

While asking for evidence on the Desso, could we also see this evidence for Murphy being sold to fund it?

As all I've seen so far is that we paid for a pitch and we sold a player.

Now I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure this would class as tenuous, and certainly not "evidence".

Ok then Pete you want an answer, I suggest you ask whoever said Murphy was sold to pay for the Desso because it wasn't me and for what it is worth I don't believe he was sold to fund the Desso. My argument is that at the time the club was saying we didn't have to sell players but that is exactly what they did whether they wanted away is immaterial we didn't replace Murphy or Maguire the season before unless you think Woolford and McGahey were adequate. Why was there no adequate replacements? why couldn't we get a transfer over the line yet at the same time money was available for a new pitch? Anyone thinking the two aren't linked probably still believes in fairies and Father Christmas.
Your turn now Pete .......
Did last seasons squad of no hoper's even get us anywhere near the play off's on the Desso?
Did J Wallace suddenly become injury free or any of the rest never pick up an injury by playing on a Desso?
Has the Desso brought in significant income from other events?

 

[pommpey]

Did last seasons squad of no hoper's even get us anywhere near the play off's on the Desso?
Did J Wallace suddenly become injury free or any of the rest never pick up an injury by playing on a Desso?
Has the Desso brought in significant income from other events?

Feller, you'll get no answer for those questions. I'm sure Sean, now he's asking and answering his own daft posts, will come up with something or other, ignoring that financial flash-to-bang sometimes does have some delay effect, and that even if it was paid for by cup runs, why we weren't investing in a decent centre back pairing. I mean, we've always been solid as a rock in the middle of the back four. The footage of the season before lasts pre season friendlies had many on here and elsewhere wondering what the fuck we were doing in that department and playing left and right backs in there to play off the clearly incompetent Collins.

But dream on if you want answers to the above, which ask questions about assumptions and fallacies.

pommpey