Desso

[PeteBlade]

Yay. Massive Blade Alert.

Clearly your enhanced viewing can't answer why, when playing on our super investment Desso, teams like Fleetwood and Southend (this season) and countless others like Shrewsbury last season come to the Lane to play on it and beat us.

Surely your massive Bladey Bladeness and huge super attendance record can provide me with answers to that. If not, your argument is invalid. Soz.

pommpey

Doesn't bother him though.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

I'm surprised that teams with Shit pitches don't complain when they come to the lane and play on the Desso, the closest thing i remember is that we had a team come this season and talk about players having to change their boots at half time

I wondered if our players were wearing boots more suitable to our pitch. It did look at times as if we were skating a bit and some of the top layer seemed to slide off in places.

Just saying mind and nothing to be taken away from Dale - they deserved at least 1 point they played that well.

 

[metalblade]

So, from what you are saying, Wilder has in place a system which is adaptable to various playing surfaces. It's evident, because we are doing better away than last season. I don't need to sit in the South Stand (or wherever) to ascertain that. Last season, we didn't have that, but we had the super-Desso, but still played shit. Do the maths and some cancelling, why don't you?

The Desso is a bauble, a luxury and a folly which has had no discernible effect on our game. Wilder and his current team (which thankfully he has managed to retain intact) has been the effect.

Whichever way you look at it and sew in the 'accounts', etc, selling a player of absolute value to the club (11 goals in the previous season and a new contract) whilst finding the cash for a new playing surface in the same twelve months stinks of shit management, especially when the outcome was a dismal 11th.

pommpey

I think you are banging your head against a brick wall Pomps, Wilder don't moan about the state of pitches if we don't play so well so I don't know why people come here posting it is because we didn't play on a Desso. I bet you never get an answer to why we manage to win so many away games. Strange how only a few can see the link to having a manager who is a cut above Wilson, Weir and the two Nigels and for once not selling our best players. All achieved by the way on a reduced budget.

 

[PeteBlade]

I think you are banging your head against a brick wall Pomps, Wilder don't moan about the state of pitches if we don't play so well so I don't know why people come here posting it is because we didn't play on a Desso. I bet you never get an answer to why we manage to win so many away games. Strange how only a few can see the link to having a manager who is a cut above Wilson, Weir and the two Nigels and for once not selling our best players. All achieved by the way on a reduced budget.

While asking for evidence on the Desso, could we also see this evidence for Murphy being sold to fund it?

As all I've seen so far is that we paid for a pitch and we sold a player.

Now I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure this would class as tenuous, and certainly not "evidence".

 

[pommpey]

I think you are banging your head against a brick wall Pomps, Wilder don't moan about the state of pitches if we don't play so well so I don't know why people come here posting it is because we didn't play on a Desso. I bet you never get an answer to why we manage to win so many away games. Strange how only a few can see the link to having a manager who is a cut above Wilson, Weir and the two Nigels and for once not selling our best players. All achieved by the way on a reduced budget.

Amen. But hey. Here's your 'McCabe Is Our Hero' T-Shirt and your blow-out-rolly-uppy thing. Let's go down BDTBL right now and worship the fucking pitch as our saviour. Just forget how hard we struggled out wide on the left flank to plug the gap last season with Woolford et al.

pommpey

 

[Harrisblade]

So, from what you are saying, Wilder has in place a system which is adaptable to various playing surfaces. It's evident, because we are doing better away than last season. I don't need to sit in the South Stand (or wherever) to ascertain that. Last season, we didn't have that, but we had the super-Desso, but still played shit. Do the maths and some cancelling, why don't you?

The Desso is a bauble, a luxury and a folly which has had no discernible effect on our game. Wilder and his current team (which thankfully he has managed to retain intact) has been the effect.

Whichever way you look at it and sew in the 'accounts', etc, selling a player of absolute value to the club (11 goals in the previous season and a new contract) whilst finding the cash for a new playing surface in the same twelve months stinks of shit management, especially when the outcome was a dismal 11th.

pommpey

The Desso pitch is there, it isn't going to be removed no matter how much people (well, you) squawk about it.
The management isn't shit any more.
Why keep going on, and on, and on about it?
IT DOESN'T MATTER.

 

[I should coco]

Do you have the answers why we win away from home on non-Desso pitches and lose at home on our super-investment and last season played like cunts on the same surface?

Of course I don't, but then I'm not obsessed by the bloody thing so why should I.

Did Mr Desso run off with your wife or something?

 

[pommpey]

The Desso pitch is there, it isn't going to be removed no matter how much people (well, you) squawk about it.
The management isn't shit any more.
Why keep going on, and on, and on about it?
IT DOESN'T MATTER.

Feller. Have a look who started this thread and point your anger in that direction, eh?

pommpey

 

[I should coco]

Have a look who started this thread and point your anger in that direction, eh?

....and look who kept it going
....and going
....and going.

You and pinchy ought to do a 'broken record swap' as you've both got loads of duplicates.

 

[Sean Thornton]

As something of a newcomer to this debate I'd like clarification on the following please .

Was Jamie Murphy sold to pay for the installation of the Desso pitch ?

The Desso installation was first announced in April 2014, being paid for by the Cup runs under Clough. Murphy was sold some sixteen months later.

 

[Robby Blade]

As something of a newcomer to this debate I'd like clarification on the following please .

Was Jamie Murphy sold to pay for the installation of the Desso pitch ?

Don't worry about being a newcomer coolhand, I've followed from day 1 and still haven't got a clue.

 

[I should coco]

The Desso installation was first announced in April 2014, being paid for by the Cup runs under Clough. Murphy was sold some sixteen months later.

Sauce?

.....er.....

 

[metalblade]

While asking for evidence on the Desso, could we also see this evidence for Murphy being sold to fund it?

As all I've seen so far is that we paid for a pitch and we sold a player.

Now I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure this would class as tenuous, and certainly not "evidence".

No real point in going over old ground is there Pete, I doubt you can show any evidence to back up your claims whatever they are? Did last seasons squad of no hoper's even get us anywhere near the play off's on the Desso? Did J Wallace suddenly become injury free or any of the rest never pick up an injury by playing on a Desso? Has the Desso brought in significant income from other events? No thought not.

 

[Northyorksblade]

Feller you are no more 'average' than a ST holder or someone who doesn't go who lives next door to the ground. A Sheffield United supporter is a Blade. What is wrong with this place is that there are a coterie of people who believe that other posters views are invalid because they don't attend games. Its ridiculous. I won't comment on style of play, tactics, who played where or marks out of ten in a game because I am not there. Outside of that ninety-odd minutes, everything else is commentable upon. I wish some of these megablades would drag their heads out of their rectums and get some perspective.

pommpey

Oh Ffs. One minute I'm a massive Blade, next I'm not even average. I am a ST holder who doesn't live anywhere near Sheffield who enjoys the football played on our Desso pitch. Personally, I think the money was well spent. This is my personal opinion and no one else talking about it will change my mind. Ps Am I a Mega Blade as well? #confused.com

 

[Sean Thornton]

Sauce?

.....er.....

Well Google initially and at the risk of causing some damp gussets the accounts for 2015 and 2016 ( I know I know they're really rubbish and the losses are really Kev nicking the tea and coffee money ) also bear this out. Dirty words but hey, evidence is evidence unless it doesn't suit. Feller me lad.

 

[I should coco]

Well Google initially

That would be a 'G' then.

Dirty words but hey, evidence is evidence unless it doesn't suit. Feller me lad.

Don't 'feller me lad' me or I'll challenge you to a 'biggest Blade' post off. Games attended, purchases in club shop, home distance from the Lane and Shoe size are all taken into account in a specially developed algorithm.

It is called:

Digiitally
Engineered
SheffU
Size
Organiser.

We need a snazzier acronym.......

 

[Sean Thornton]

That would be a 'G' then.



Don't 'feller me lad' me or I'll challenge you to a 'biggest Blade' post off. Games attended, purchases in club shop, home distance from the Lane and Shoe size are all taken into account in a specially developed algorithm.

It is called:

Digiitally
Engineered
SheffU
Size
Organiser.

We need a snazzier acronym.......

Please don't. This new topic of Murphy v The Desso could run and run, and I suspect no one ( ) wants that....

 

[Sharrowblade]

If anyone ever thought the lane pitch was a bad investment ,have a look that potato field we played on today. An ability leveller if ever there was one ,seen better in Concord.

If you thought Rochdale's was bad, ......wait until you see Oldham's

 

[I should coco]

I suspect no one ( ) wants that....

Oh, I don't know.

I can think of one dog that might want to chew on that bone....

 

[Pierre's PC]

If anyone ever thought the lane pitch was a bad investment ,have a look that potato field we played on today. An ability leveller if ever there was one ,seen better in Concord.

Well played Sitters, some people triggering harder than an average day on tumblr

 

[Rodders]

The Desso installation was first announced in April 2014, being paid for by the Cup runs under Clough. Murphy was sold some sixteen months later.

So what you're saying is.... the Desso made us sell Murphy?

 

[Sean Thornton]

So what you're saying is.... the Desso made us sell Murphy?

You may, or may not, draw that conclusion Rodders but I will say that if Murphy had suffered a serious injury and wasn't available for transfer, we would have sold Duffy long before we did in January this year......

hold on, is this right?...........

 

[pommpey]

No real point in going over old ground is there Pete, I doubt you can show any evidence to back up your claims whatever they are? Did last seasons squad of no hoper's even get us anywhere near the play off's on the Desso? Did J Wallace suddenly become injury free or any of the rest never pick up an injury by playing on a Desso? Has the Desso brought in significant income from other events? No thought not.

Don't talk about that Metal. Far better to make shit up that the Desso has reduced injuries and is bringing cash into BDTBL from all the other events on it and explain Murphy's sale as beyond our control. Next we'll be led to believe selling Murphy caused the purchase of Sharp ...

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

You may, or may not, draw that conclusion Rodders but I will say that if Murphy had suffered a serious injury and wasn't available for transfer, we would have sold Duffy long before we did in January this year......

hold on, is this right?...........

That's about as much sense as you have ever made on the subject, feller-me-lad etc

Now. Tell me about us winning away this season on other such cowfields and being shit last season on the Desso.

Where's Bert, BTW?

pommpey

 

[Sean Thornton]

That's about as much sense as you have ever made on the subject, feller-me-lad etc

Now. Tell me about us winning away this season on other such cowfields and being shit last season on the Desso.

Where's Bert, BTW?

pommpey

I'm afraid you are asking that question of the wrong person Pommpey. It's not a claim I have ever made save referencing Wilders positive comments about it, if I recall correctly.

I gave a timeline of events earlier, think you may have missed it.

Duffy though, January, what happened?

 

[Sean Thornton]

As an aside though, I wonder what the ongoing cost of pitch maintenance is for Rochdale, on top of the cost of relaying a new one a few weeks ago? It appears to be an ongoing problem.


http://rochdaleonline.org.uk/news-features/4/sport-news/465/dale-groundsman-explains-pitch-problems

 

[metalblade]

As an aside though, I wonder what the ongoing cost of pitch maintenance is for Rochdale, on top of the cost of relaying a new one a few weeks ago? It appears to be an ongoing problem.


http://rochdaleonline.org.uk/news-features/4/sport-news/465/dale-groundsman-explains-pitch-problems

Is that the present Rochdale groundsman? after all that article was post NINE years ago

 

[1danewhitehouse]

So, from what you are saying, Wilder has in place a system which is adaptable to various playing surfaces. It's evident, because we are doing better away than last season. I don't need to sit in the South Stand (or wherever) to ascertain that. Last season, we didn't have that, but we had the super-Desso, but still played shit. Do the maths and some cancelling, why don't you?

The Desso is a bauble, a luxury and a folly which has had no discernible effect on our game. Wilder and his current team (which thankfully he has managed to retain intact) has been the effect.

Whichever way you look at it and sew in the 'accounts', etc, selling a player of absolute value to the club (11 goals in the previous season and a new contract) whilst finding the cash for a new playing surface in the same twelve months stinks of shit management, especially when the outcome was a dismal 11th.

pommpey

Nobody is claiming that a Desso pitch can turn a poor side into a good one. Merely that it provides us with a better platform to play now that we have assembled a team capable compared to playing on boggy marshes.


At this stage of the season, pitches deteriorate and it makes it harder to play good football. That doesn’t mean it’s impossible for us to win or that we are infallible at home on a good pitch. Just that playing on a good pitch is preferable given the way we want to play. That said, at the time, if you’d given me the choice of keep Murphy or get a Desso pitch, I would have taken the former. But none of us know to what extent hat was the case. I suspect that Desso or no Desso, Muphy would have been gone as when a player expresses a desire to move to a higher placed club, we don’t tend to dig our heels in and make them stay. We’ve done the same with countless players without having the money earmarked for a Desso pitch. I think we lost something like £5 or £6 million last year so we can’t pin it all on the Desso. We could maybe argue that we’d have had an extra million or so one the playing budget but that would be a drop in the ocean when you looked at our wage bill and what Clough had spunked on paying people like McEveley, Higdon, JCR, Flynn, Porter, Alcock, K. Wallace, Davies etc.


Whether it is a good investment or not is a matter of opinion. We don’t seem to be seeing home games rearranged and ending up with fixture congestion since we had it which is advantageous.


So on balance, I cannot agree with your assertions that


a) We sold Murphy to pay for the Desso or

b) the Desso was a terrible investment (especially compared to the value for money we were getting for players at the time).


(I think these are your assertions).

However, I can entirely agree with you that Top Cat aka Geetarman is a bellend of the highest order who offers nothing constructive to the forum just as he did on Blades Mad.

 

[ucandomagic]

When we decided to buy the Desso we had just had loads of games postponed - had a good cup run and ended with a fixture pile-up at the end of the season.

The pitch now beats the wet weather every time.

This means we postpone less games (better), have more Saturday games (better), have less games than most of our rivals at the end of the season (better), have a pitch that rewards good football and encourages us to build a team that plays it (better). Because of this our likelihood of moving onwards and upwards is better.

Anybody who thinks that we wouldn't have a Desso if Murphy had stayed or that we would have done better if we hadn't bought it is living in False News land IMO.

We are going to be a top side again, top sides need and have quality facilities.

UTB

 

[Sean Thornton]

Is that the present Rochdale groundsman? after all that article was post NINE years ago

Yes. And the problem persists, does it not? Ongoing costs and all that.

Point proven methinks!