Penalty decision yesterday

[WhiteHawk]

Definite dive, not the only time in the game he did it either. Fuck it though, it helped us to 3 points.

I wouldn't have been surprised to see Fleck get sent off either for his challenge.

 

[LJBlade]

If you're not able to answer the question just say so, or save yourself the effort and don't reply at all.

 

[Bladepicker]

Can you think of all the cert penaties that we have been denied?

Yes.

Can you think of all the times we have won a 'soft' penalty?

Me neither.

Did Carruthers do Wheater inside out?

Yes.

Was there some contact?

Most probably.

Did Carruthers make an absolute meal of it?

Absolutely.

Given all the above do I give a shit?

Do I fuck.

 

[HighfieldBlade]

Too much over-analysing going on here I feel. The Ref is there to officiate the game. In his opinion it was worthy of awarding a penalty.

 

[Fanny magnet]

If you're not able to answer the question just say so, or save yourself the effort and don't reply at all.

All of your post was an assumption that me saying people see what they want in fact means people who don't agree with me see what they want

All of your post

Is that simple enough for you ?

 

[essexblade73]

no way was it a dive. he was too quick for the defender who tripped him.

 

[essexblade73]

I'm not sure either way but
Who gives a flying fuck , we've been denied plenty so , perhaps in his spare time he's been watching that diving pig from S6

anyone who states 'fact' after their post knows their argument is weak...sorry wasnt meant for u but for the bloke who ended his post with fact!

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

I was right in front of le fondre throwing himself about the whole second half.

Did you tell him to get up, the tart?

 

[LJBlade]

All of your post was an assumption that me saying people see what they want in fact means people who don't agree with me see what they want

All of your post

Is that simple enough for you ?

Yes that's fairly simple, thanks. So those who are seeing what they want to see are actually the ones you agree with?

Again, apologies if I got it wrong but it just sounded like it was only aimed at those who had a different opinion

 

[Fanny magnet]

Yes that's fairly simple, thanks. So those who are seeing what they want to see are actually the ones you agree with?

Again, apologies if I got it wrong but it just sounded like it was only aimed at those who had a different opinion

You're doing it again
Let me break this down for you as simplistic as I can

It is possible that me saying people only see what they want is not aimed at people who agree with me or people who disagree with me there is a third option
The third option is that people who saw a foul were seeing what they want and people who didn't see a foul were seeing what they want ,hence me not using the expression 'people who saw a foul are seeing what they want to see 'or the similar 'people who saw a dive are only seeing what they want to see '

I hope this helps

 

[penthouseblade]

anyone who states 'fact' after their post knows their argument is weak...sorry wasnt meant for u but for the bloke who ended his post with fact!

It was a nod to an old BladesMad joke. I do think it is a fact he dived though, only my opinion mind, doesn't count or anything. .....

Anyway, 2-0 was a fair reflection of the game, we were the better side, we won and ultimately that is what counts.

 

[LJBlade]

You're doing it again
Let me break this down for you as simplistic as I can

It is possible that me saying people only see what they want is not aimed at people who agree with me or people who disagree with me there is a third option
The third option is that people who saw a foul were seeing what they want and people who didn't see a foul were seeing what they want ,hence me not using the expression 'people who saw a foul are seeing what they want to see 'or the similar 'people who saw a dive are only seeing what they want to see '

I hope this helps

It does help. As I said earlier, apologies if I got it wrong. It's not always easy to grasp exactly what people mean when it's just typed words in a computer.

I think I made the mistake because you were initially replying to a post that had said the same thing you did

 

[GrayBlade]

It'd be a lovely world if Carruthers had gone over to the Ref and said 'Sorry mate, I tripped over myself, it wasn't a penalty', or Coutts and Fleck never bent the Ref's ear to book an opposing player, or Sharp never went down the first time he felt a touch on his shoulder.

The problem is that every other team in the football league win dodgy penalties, some against us, and players go down like they've been poleaxed at the merest touch. Look at Bolton in the first half, their whole game was based around getting set-pieces.

We Brits don't like cheats. Diving Johnny Foreigner introduced it probably as far back as the 66 World Cup, and it was much despised at the time, but then the likes of Franny Lee started the trend for diving British players and Sir Alex and his ManU team perfected the art of influencing Refs. Slowly it worked its way through the league's and is part of the game now unfortunately. Any team now who wanted to play the commendable Brian Clough way for sportsmanship nowadays would frankly be at a massive disadvantage throughout a season. Football is a business and there has to be a level playing field. I'd love us to be the one team in football who's players never dived or moaned at the Refs, but if we were, we'd also have to accept that it would cost us points over a season.

As for this particular incident though, I don't think think it's that clear one way or another even after viewing it several times. Certainly it's not clear or obvious enough to spoil anybody's enjoyment of the game I'd have thought, but there you go, it's all abaaaaht opinions. UTB.

 

[Fanny magnet]

It does help. As I said earlier, apologies if I got it wrong. It's not always easy to grasp exactly what people mean when it's just typed words in a computer.

I think I made the mistake because you were initially replying to a post that had said the same thing you did

Ok I apologise as well as I thought you were being sarcastic

 

[robbiez666]

You're dislike of Chris started pre season with you having a go at him at every possible opportunity,yesterday you and only you mentioned we might get a points deduction for somebody throwing eggs at the Bolton coach,Mike Dean gave the penalty,he was closer than you or myself,

They have these magical things called cameras nowadays.

 

[zablade]

As another poster said above that took a bit of the shine off what was a great win yesterday.

BULL and indeed SHIT.

 

[FTPE]

Did you tell him to get up, the tart?

I spent the whole game worrying about my dad swearing too much around a little lad a few rows in front.
After the over the top -frustrated attacks I threw at the cheating-diving- shithouse , that kid will go to school in the morning a mini Frankie Boyle.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

They have these magical things called cameras nowadays.

And?

Mike Dean was pilloried from post to pillow on here in the week leading up to the game,he gives us a penalty,and you're not happy,your peculiar hatred of our manager is making you post some ridiculous things ie hoping we would get a points deduction being a case in point

 

[penthouseblade]

It'd be a lovely world if Carruthers had gone over to the Ref and said 'Sorry mate, I tripped over myself, it wasn't a penalty', or Coutts and Fleck never bent the Ref's ear to book an opposing player, or Sharp never went down the first time he felt a touch on his shoulder.

The problem is that every other team in the football league win dodgy penalties, some against us, and players go down like they've been poleaxed at the merest touch. Look at Bolton in the first half, their whole game was based around getting set-pieces.

We Brits don't like cheats. Diving Johnny Foreigner introduced it probably as far back as the 66 World Cup, and it was much despised at the time, but then the likes of Franny Lee started the trend for diving British players and Sir Alex and his ManU team perfected the art of influencing Refs. Slowly it worked its way through the league's and is part of the game now unfortunately. Any team now who wanted to play the commendable Brian Clough way for sportsmanship nowadays would frankly be at a massive disadvantage throughout a season. Football is a business and there has to be a level playing field. I'd love us to be the one team in football who's players never dived or moaned at the Refs, but if we were, we'd also have to accept that it would cost us points over a season.

As for this particular incident though, I don't think think it's that clear one way or another even after viewing it several times. Certainly it's not clear or obvious enough to spoil anybody's enjoyment of the game I'd have thought, but there you go, it's all abaaaaht opinions. UTB.

Nicely put old boy. Agree with your sentiments there about the way the game is these days but I don't like it one little bit! Diving and the overreacting to challenges makes my blood boil. As you've hinted at, diving is an utter utter cancer in the game and absolutely nothing whatsoever was/is done about it. Too late now of course, it's here to stay probably?

Opinions indeed; some people are totally convinced it was a penalty yesterday and some are totally convinced it wasn't. Fascinating the different views and highly amusing watch everybody argue about it and chuck their two penneth in!!

 

[GrayBlade]

Nicely put old boy. Agree with your sentiments there about the way the game is these days but I don't like it one little bit! Diving and the overreacting to challenges makes my blood boil. As you've hinted at, diving is an utter utter cancer in the game and absolutely nothing whatsoever was/is done about it. Too late now of course, it's here to stay probably?

Opinions indeed; some people are totally convinced it was a penalty yesterday and some are totally convinced it wasn't. Fascinating the different views and highly amusing watch everybody argue about it and chuck their two penneth in!!

It is mate. Sometimes the smallest most innocuous subject can start the most heated debates on a forum. I've seen plenty over the years, I used to Mod and Admin one.

I absolutely hated it when British players started baying at Refs to get players sent off or booked, and rolling around like dying deer like the foreign players did. I sort of saw it as un British. Not the way we did things.

It probably started sometime in the 70's, there was a spell back then when I first started following t'Blades where nearly all British players seemed to play like Jags, Morgan or Monty did fir us years later. They took stick, gave stick and would just get on with it. Those 3 Blades were throwbacks to times when it was a man's game, but it's not the player's fault things have changed. They're just playing to orders, and managers have to do the same. It's the imbeciles running the world-wide game and our national game that's got us to where we are now.

 

[zablade]

It is mate. Sometimes the smallest most innocuous subject can start the most heated debates on a forum. I've seen plenty over the years, I used to Mod and Admin one.

I absolutely hated it when British players started baying at Refs to get players sent off or booked, and rolling around like dying deer like the foreign players did. I sort of saw it as un British. Not the way we did things.

It probably started sometime in the 70's, there was a spell back then when I first started following t'Blades where nearly all British players seemed to play like Jags, Morgan or Monty did fir us years later. They took stick, gave stick and would just get on with it. Those 3 Blades were throwbacks to times when it was a man's game, but it's not the player's fault things have changed. They're just playing to orders, and managers have to do the same. It's the imbeciles running the world-wide game and our national game that's got us to where we are now.

Search Franny Lee talking about his famous spat with Norman Hunter. Lee is quite proud of his "trick" of clipping his own heels to win a penalty.

Started long before the foreign invasion. I don't buy the innocent Brit against Cheating foreigner.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

I spent the whole game worrying about my dad swearing too much around a little lad a few rows in front.
After the over the top -frustrated attacks I threw at the cheating-diving- shithouse , that kid will go to school in the morning a mini Frankie Boyle.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Search Franny Lee talking about his famous spat with Norman Hunter. Lee is quite proud of his "trick" of clipping his own heels to win a penalty.TB

Now Franny Lee was a REAL fat lad from .......Manchester

 

[finlaytheblade]

It is mate. Sometimes the smallest most innocuous subject can start the most heated debates on a forum. I've seen plenty over the years, I used to Mod and Admin one.

I absolutely hated it when British players started baying at Refs to get players sent off or booked, and rolling around like dying deer like the foreign players did. I sort of saw it as un British. Not the way we did things.

It probably started sometime in the 70's, there was a spell back then when I first started following t'Blades where nearly all British players seemed to play like Jags, Morgan or Monty did fir us years later. They took stick, gave stick and would just get on with it. Those 3 Blades were throwbacks to times when it was a man's game, but it's not the player's fault things have changed. They're just playing to orders, and managers have to do the same. It's the imbeciles running the world-wide game and our national game that's got us to where we are now.

Don't know what, the debate is about,any player either today or in the past would buy a penalty when the situation is there and you don't need to be a proffesional to do it .l was a forward in my football playing days and winning a penalty is part of the intelligence within the game and I don't class myself as a cheat.
Going back to yesterday's game !! Mike Dean was in a good position to give a penalty he gave it instantly,just because Parky spits his dummy out doasnt mean the ref got it wrong, Wheater also went berserk but that is par for the course when a player let's his team down by bringing a player down in the box ,intelligent play by Samir to cut inside like that and draw the takle,Jack Lester was good at that and won a good number of pens during his career
It's not cheating to win or buy a penalty.
Great to dump that set of Bolton bully boys anyway.

 

[Valleyblade]

I think carruthers "won" the penalty for sure. Doesn't mean it shouldn't have been given though. Like it or not, this sort of thing is part of the game and probably here to stay.

I was a small nippy winger when I played as a youth. I'd get kicked black and blue. So just remember when getting all wound up about some diving Jonny foreigner, that if defenders didn't foul attackers, no one would ever con a referee with a dive.

 

[blade too long]

I thought it was a penalty the second the referee pointed to the spot

Was all the proof I needed

Pity other refs have missed some real heavy physical assaults we didnt get penalties for this season

 

[penthouseblade]

It is mate. Sometimes the smallest most innocuous subject can start the most heated debates on a forum. I've seen plenty over the years, I used to Mod and Admin one.

I absolutely hated it when British players started baying at Refs to get players sent off or booked, and rolling around like dying deer like the foreign players did. I sort of saw it as un British. Not the way we did things.

It probably started sometime in the 70's, there was a spell back then when I first started following t'Blades where nearly all British players seemed to play like Jags, Morgan or Monty did fir us years later. They took stick, gave stick and would just get on with it. Those 3 Blades were throwbacks to times when it was a man's game, but it's not the player's fault things have changed. They're just playing to orders, and managers have to do the same. It's the imbeciles running the world-wide game and our national game that's got us to where we are now.

Would you say that diving is more prevalent now than back in the 70's and 80's or not? I think I know the answer to that.....

I'm not sure who is most to blame really, the authorities or the players? Players directly committing the crimes or the coaches, FA etc who turn a blind eye to it?

 

[penthouseblade]

I think carruthers "won" the penalty for sure. Doesn't mean it shouldn't have been given though. Like it or not, this sort of thing is part of the game and probably here to stay.

I was a small nippy winger when I played as a youth. I'd get kicked black and blue. So just remember when getting all wound up about some diving Jonny foreigner, that if defenders didn't foul attackers, no one would ever con a referee with a dive.

What do you mean by 'won' the penalty? Do you think he dived then? If so, it shouldn't have been given should it?

 

[metalblade]

The team that brought cheating into the British game was the scum up the M1 they had it down to a fine art as a team when the ball went out of play they would raise there arms appealing. Every decision made by a ref was contested by 3 or 4 in white surrounding him, they were a set of dirty bastards who when they got a bit back would play act to get players sent off. To this day every fooker hates them for it, later their off the field antics by numerous owners was just as bad only Calendar (Leeds) News likes them.

 

[GrayBlade]

Don't know what, the debate is about,any player either today or in the past would buy a penalty when the situation is there and you don't need to be a proffesional to do it .l was a forward in my football playing days and winning a penalty is part of the intelligence within the game and I don't class myself as a cheat.
Going back to yesterday's game !! Mike Dean was in a good position to give a penalty he gave it instantly,just because Parky spits his dummy out doasnt mean the ref got it wrong, Wheater also went berserk but that is par for the course when a player let's his team down by bringing a player down in the box ,intelligent play by Samir to cut inside like that and draw the takle,Jack Lester was good at that and won a good number of pens during his career
It's not cheating to win or buy a penalty.
Great to dump that set of Bolton bully boys anyway.

I'm with you mate if you see my other posts. I was just debating when the synchronised diving, histrionics and Ref baiting started really which I think is a different matter than winning a pen.