JOC as good as Harry

[Need4speed]

Jack is a year younger than Harry but has played about 50 less games in his career to date. He is solid at the back and good going forward Add a few more goals from set pieces to his game and surely we have a CB who will play for United for years

 

[Ricky]

He's not as good as Harry was and nowhere near as good as Harry is but it's a decent comparison nonetheless.

I think he's got plenty of development left in him.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

Harry's just recently gone onto a totally different plane. The sort of different level he would have got onto more than a year ago if that fat nobhead Bruce hadn't been impeding his progress (for instance, by continually playing his useless lump of a son instead of the far superior "Leadboots").

Btw, "Leadboots", FFS. Those who indulged in that shite while he was here ought to be made to wear dunces caps and sent to stand behind the pillars on the kop.

 

[Willglynning]

Harry Maguire is/was much better than JOC is. But one thing that's reassuring is that Jack's got a lot of time left to develop, and I feel that we stand a much higher chance of hanging on to him to reap the benefits of his development than we did with Maguire.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Harry's just recently gone onto a totally different plane. The sort of different level he would have got onto more than a year ago if that fat nobhead Bruce hadn't been impeding his progress (for instance, by continually playing his useless lump of a son instead of the far superior "Leadboots").

Btw, "Leadboots", FFS. Those who indulged in that shite while he was here ought to be made to wear dunces caps and sent to stand behind the pillars on the kop.

No they ought to be banned from Bramall lane for life and made to go to Meadowhall every Saturday afternoon.

 

[Stretch]

Harry's just recently gone onto a totally different plane. The sort of different level he would have got onto more than a year ago if that fat nobhead Bruce hadn't been impeding his progress (for instance, by continually playing his useless lump of a son instead of the far superior "Leadboots").

Btw, "Leadboots", FFS. Those who indulged in that shite while he was here ought to be made to wear dunces caps and sent to stand behind the pillars on the kop.

Completely agree. I spent a lot of time a few years back trying to convince a lot of people (non Blades) that Harry would end up as one of the best CHs in the country by the time he was in his mid-late 20s. Then he went to Hull and stagnated in the reserves and whilst many of those I had spoken to forgot all about him, some made a point of rubbing my nose in it. Now many are coming back and saying what a superb player he looks. We all agree that he will get a big, big move in the summer.

 

[Lane Ender]

He was all washed up at Brentford.
With us Wilder and Knill have made into one of the best in the division definitely will be championship quality where he will blossom further.
Then we will sell him that's the script here

 

[Kabba Kabba Doo]

JOC reminds me of Morgan, future United captain IMO

 

[kennyblade]

Harry Maguire is/was much better than JOC is. But one thing that's reassuring is that Jack's got a lot of time left to develop, and I feel that we stand a much higher chance of hanging on to him to reap the benefits of his development than we did with Maguire.

just hope hull sell harry for 10 mill then we can spend that money on a quality centre back to partner jack

 

[Tyler Durden]

Don't rate him that much at all to be honest. Poor positional sense, clumsy and moves about as quick as the average glacier.
Can head a ball a bit.

 

[sheffielder]

After a shaky start he's been quality and Wright has helped that. Yesterday it took him 10 minutes to work out how to deal with elliott and then won or out jockeyed him for everything.

 

[CharnockBlade]

Jack is a year younger than Harry but has played about 50 less games in his career to date. He is solid at the back and good going forward Add a few more goals from set pieces to his game and surely we have a CB who will play for United for years

I wouldn't put him in the same bracket as harry in all honestly but I think he's a brilliant player, which is telling as to what I thought harry was. I'd also like to add that his bird is a professional footballer for Liverpool and England, just because it's a cool fact

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Jack is a year younger than Harry but has played about 50 less games in his career to date. He is solid at the back and good going forward Add a few more goals from set pieces to his game and surely we have a CB who will play for United for years

I think he's been excellent. Would like to see him driving forward more like Harry did - but there's time yet. He's a good lad and I hope he makes the journey back to the Prem with us.

 

[Whatever]

I rate JOC, really solid defender , having a great season, but Harry has always seemed a more dominant player and brilliant at setting up attacks with his runs carrying the ball out of defence......unfortunately I don't think we will be getting a sell on fee, by my reckoning he is out of contract in the summer so likely to able to negotiate a free move to a better team than Hull :-(

 

[Esablade]

I'm a fan.
Sell him...

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Jack is a year younger than Harry but has played about 50 less games in his career to date. He is solid at the back and good going forward Add a few more goals from set pieces to his game and surely we have a CB who will play for United for years

Any player who is good enough to 'play for the Blades for years' will be sold at the first sniff.

Get with the program.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

JOC still needs to develop, Wright can help him with this just as with EEL. I can see the Harry link with how he can comfortably run with the ball and go past players, think in 12 months time we will have top player on our hands.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Was told he wasn't good enough for United when a youth player, then that we'd had Hull's pants down because he wasn't PL quality. Ramsdale and DCL are the next two to defy the doubters. JOC has a good passing range and does the basics ok. I'd like to see him in a back four before I could say for certain he's championship class, but initial signs are good.

 

[super_pig]

Don't rate him that much at all to be honest. Poor positional sense, clumsy and moves about as quick as the average glacier.
Can head a ball a bit.

good left foot

 

[alcoblade]

Was told he wasn't good enough for United when a youth player, then that we'd had Hull's pants down because he wasn't PL quality. Ramsdale and DCL are the next two to defy the doubters. JOC has a good passing range and does the basics ok. I'd like to see him in a back four before I could say for certain he's championship class, but initial signs are good.

I'm not sure many have judged Ramsdale.

DCL - I'll be surprise send if he makes it in the Premier League.

I thought Maguire would make a top Championship player but no more, he appears to be surpassing that.

The vast majority of youngsters that leave, to fans horror, go on to prove we've made the right decision.

UTB

 

[nopigfansintown]

I'm not sure many have judged Ramsdale.

DCL - I'll be surprise send if he makes it in the Premier League.

I thought Maguire would make a top Championship player but no more, he appears to be surpassing that.

The vast majority of youngsters that leave, to fans horror, go on to prove we've made the right decision.

UTB

To an extent he already has made it in the PL as he has made sub appearance and one start. Blades, - who've no doubt seen him innumerable times - said he would vanish without a trace at Everton. Harry was already at least Championship quality by the end of his first full season, and the no knowts have no excuses for their leadboots nonsense. I have never been an advocate for the "vast majority of youngsters", just those I rate.

 

[Revolution]

I'm not sure many have judged Ramsdale.

DCL - I'll be surprise send if he makes it in the Premier League.

I thought Maguire would make a top Championship player but no more, he appears to be surpassing that.

The vast majority of youngsters that leave, to fans horror, go on to prove we've made the right decision.

UTB

Naughton?

Lowton?

Walker?

All made it, along with Maguire.

Too early to tell with Adams, DCL, Ramsdale.

Slew failed. Mellis didn't make PL but has never played below our level.

That's every youth product we've sold for a seven figure fee, I think. I am unconvinced that we've been making the right decision in the vast majority of cases. At best, you can say we've been selling too cheaply.

 

[SwissBlade]

I said when we had Harry, we didn't need a Premier League Centre Half, which it seemed he would eventually become. In the third division you need a centre half to be suitable for this division and perhaps the one above. You need a Centre Half at this level to be between Neil Collins (Shit) and Harry Maguire (Really Good)

JOC is a decent enough player and probably sits somewhere in the middle between Shit and Really Good. He seems to have more pace than Harry and perhaps he's a little more 'Athletic' when he is being turned, whereas Harry was a little less mobile in the turn, but physically stronger and naturally read the game better.

At a young age, Harry was also stepping up as a leader, certainly of the back four.

In a division/ team where Basham is more than comfortable at Centre Half, JOC stands out a little as a consistent and strong performer, but in the few games i've seen, he doesn't seem to be showing the leadership and organisational abilities of Jake Wright, for example.

I'd like to see Wright and JOC forming a solid partnership as 2 of the 3 Centre Halves in this division, i think we'll see JOC improve as a result and the third Centre Half being EEL or Basham.

We're developing a blended back 3 at the moment, JOC is certainly holding his own, but i'd also like to see more of Wilson if he can start to force his way into the side. I've not seen anything of him, so don't have any idea what his attributes are.

 

[alcoblade]

Naughton?

Lowton?

Walker?

All made it, along with Maguire.

Too early to tell with Adams, DCL, Ramsdale.

Slew failed. Mellis didn't make PL but has never played below our level.

That's every youth product we've sold for a seven figure fee, I think. I am unconvinced that we've been making the right decision in the vast majority of cases. At best, you can say we've been selling too cheaply.

Good points. However, we've been releasing about 15 players a year for the last 20 years. It's impossible to get some wrong. The vast majority we get right.

And selling a player that goes on to be worth more is sometimes inevitable. Transfer inflation, and being in the third division sees to that.

We've made some silly sales in the past, but as I've argued many times before, it's the awful way we've reinvested money that has been our downfall.

UTB

 

[Revolution]

Good points. However, we've been releasing about 15 players a year for the last 20 years. It's impossible to get some wrong. The vast majority we get right.

And selling a player that goes on to be worth more is sometimes inevitable. Transfer inflation, and being in the third division sees to that.

We've made some silly sales in the past, but as I've argued many times before, it's the awful way we've reinvested money that has been our downfall.

UTB

On the releasing side and cheap sales, I agree we've done well. Off the top of my head, the only young player we've let go for a song/nothing recently that has amounted to something is McFadzean, and he's not Premier League class.

As an aside, we've always done this quite well since I've been following the team. We sold Mendonca and Sharp (1st time) too early but as we achieved instant promotion each time it didn't hurt us in the short term, and of course we signed both back and they disappointed (Sharp coming good in his 3rd spell). There's also Chris Marsden but he had an odd career arc and it was 10 years before he was playing regularly at a level higher than United, and I don't think anyone can be blamed for not predicting where he'd end up.

 

[metalblade]

I'm not so sure we sold players because we got it wrong about them I think most have been sold to cover the clubs debts and because of the circumstances we find ourselves in, short term thinking, reactive management call it what you will we have always sold too cheaply and too soon in most cases, you wouldn't see say Barnsley letting a young CB go for a paltry £2m or say Peterborough their players starting price seems to be around £5m.

 

[alcoblade]

To an extent he already has made it in the PL as he has made sub appearance and one start. Blades, - who've no doubt seen him innumerable times - said he would vanish without a trace at Everton. Harry was already at least Championship quality by the end of his first full season, and the no knowts have no excuses for their leadboots nonsense. I have never been an advocate for the "vast majority of youngsters", just those I rate.

Jordan Slew made about 2 sub appearamces in the premier league.

We can surely agree that it's too early to judge DCL as a premier league player?

 

[sitwell]

Very good player ,reads the game well ,is very god in the air ,strong and powerful and has a goal in him. Excellent for his age and I agree with OP I hope hes here for years to come.

 

[Grizzly blade]

JOC is one to keep hold of. Steady performer...7/10 every week. But he needs quality alongside him if we get up a level.
Totally different player to Maguire, who reads the game very well and has that knack of knowing when to go in for the tackle which he usually wins. JOC isn't as good carrying the ball out either.
So no....not as good, never mind better I'm afraid.

 

[blade too long]

JOC looks like he will be a sound defender
Hes not a top of the prem defender, but will do us a job in the championship
he listens to Wright and fills the gaps , needs that guidance as hes still inexperienced
but a decent enough player for us now