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Turned to me dad and the first word that came out about the lad was 'nonchalant'. Sums it up!
 
Great start but lets calm down a bit lads, most of us have only seen him for 20 mins against a knackered already well beaten side. Suggestions to drop/rest Duffy for him are well over the top at the moment but good luck to him and I hope he can put pressure on the present classy midfield.
 
I thought he was great today but I remember Brian Howard looking superb on his debut, when he came one at 3-0 up.

Also I'm not sure why the rush to replace Duffy, or all the flack he's taken (mostly in the 'Couttes' thread). He was my MOTM yesterday, although that was that period early in the second half when he shot every time he had the ball. I could have sworn he must have put £50 on himself to score.

Edit: Yeah, or what Bladesthorpe said. Bah.
 
Bladesthorpe said:
Great start but lets calm down a bit lads, most of us have only seen him for 20 mins against a knackered already well beaten side. Suggestions to drop/rest Duffy for him are well over the top at the moment but good luck to him and I hope he can put pressure on the present classy midfield.
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Well he came on at '68 v Southend at 1-2. He left on '82 at 1-4.

He got 7 mins yesterday and assisted Lavery.

I saw enough at home to MK this season to know we've signed a gem.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
On his day (like today) Duffy is excellent. Carruthers is very handy to have in the wings in case Duffy is having a bad day. I think he can also play the Fleck/ Coutts position. My Chezzy supporting work colleagues reckon O'shea's best position is by far and away the role Duffy is playing too. Good to have competition but I'm not entirely sure we needed to sign O Shea after already signing Carruthers especially given we have Scougall and Brookes too.
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Forget Scougall.
1danewhitehouse said:
On his day (like today) Duffy is excellent. Carruthers is very handy to have in the wings in case Duffy is having a bad day. I think he can also play the Fleck/ Coutts position. My Chezzy supporting work colleagues reckon O'shea's best position is by far and away the role Duffy is playing too. Good to have competition but I'm not entirely sure we needed to sign O Shea after already signing Carruthers especially given we have Scougall and Brookes too.
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1danewhitehouse said:
On his day (like today) Duffy is excellent. Carruthers is very handy to have in the wings in case Duffy is having a bad day. I think he can also play the Fleck/ Coutts position. My Chezzy supporting work colleagues reckon O'shea's best position is by far and away the role Duffy is playing too. Good to have competition but I'm not entirely sure we needed to sign O Shea after already signing Carruthers especially given we have Scougall and Brookes too.
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One downside to having all these midfielders is that Brooks will find it hard to get in the squad. We need to be doing all we can to make sure he stays, and some sort of regular involvement would help. It's not like he hasn't got a lot to offer. To be honest I don't think it was necessary to sign O'Shea.
 



Guesty said:
I thought he was great today but I remember Brian Howard looking superb on his debut, when he came one at 3-0 up.

Also I'm not sure why the rush to replace Duffy, or all the flack he's taken (mostly in the 'Couttes' thread). He was my MOTM yesterday, although that was that period early in the second half when he shot every time he had the ball. I could have sworn he must have put £50 on himself to score.

Edit: Yeah, or what Bladesthorpe said. Bah.
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it was great to see someone try a shot
 
I don't think it was necessary to sign O'Shea either, even though I've never seen him play, but not knowing what's going to happen for the rest of a season. I'm happy ... :)
 
Ricky said:
One downside to having all these midfielders is that Brooks will find it hard to get in the squad. We need to be doing all we can to make sure he stays, and some sort of regular involvement would help. It's not like he hasn't got a lot to offer. To be honest I don't think it was necessary to sign O'Shea.
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Agree with that.

While I fully agree with the approach cw is taking - we need a team for now to get out of this league. My one reservation of wilder is that he doesn't seem keen on the youth players.

The likes of brooks have garnered positive reviews whenever he's made an appearance and hasn't really had a chance yet.

Whitemans is getting rave reviews for Mansfield and is playing well and scoring regularly for them. Their fans are talking up signing him if we go up.

He also seemed reluctant to chuck Riley and chapman in so far. Even to the extent of getting minutes in games if not starts.

As well as the sales of the promising players (Adams, dcl, ramsdale) my worry is that the young lads may not see progression into the side and end up fulfilling their potential elsewhere. (Although I guess that inevitably happens if they turn out to be great for us too)
 
Bladeinleeds said:
Agree with that.

While I fully agree with the approach cw is taking - we need a team for now to get out of this league. My one reservation of wilder is that he doesn't seem keen on the youth players.

The likes of brooks have garnered positive reviews whenever he's made an appearance and hasn't really had a chance yet.

Whitemans is getting rave reviews for Mansfield and is playing well and scoring regularly for them. Their fans are talking up signing him if we go up.

He also seemed reluctant to chuck Riley and chapman in so far. Even to the extent of getting minutes in games if not starts.

As well as the sales of the promising players (Adams, dcl, ramsdale) my worry is that the young lads may not see progression into the side and end up fulfilling their potential elsewhere. (Although I guess that inevitably happens if they turn out to be great for us too)
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Yep, Whiteman's another one. They've both got enough development in them to potentially be better than any of our current midfielders. We can't let these two leave without ever seeing anything from them, it's happened more than enough already. But I think it will happen again. And the academy will carry on paying for itself, while providing no benefit at all. Yippee.

I'm also disappointed Brooks hasn't been given more of a chance. Being in a team dominating the ball and pinning teams back would suit him perfectly, and he'd have a real impact in the final third. But we've seen things like the Scougall substitution v Fleetwood instead.
 
Ricky said:
Yep, Whiteman's another one. They've both got enough development in them to potentially be better than any of our current midfielders. We can't let these two leave without ever seeing anything from them, it's happened more than enough already. But I think it will happen again. And the academy will carry on paying for itself, while providing no benefit at all. Yippee.

I'm also disappointed Brooks hasn't been given more of a chance. Being in a team dominating the ball and pinning teams back would suit him perfectly, and he'd have a real impact in the final third. But we've seen things like the Scougall substitution v Fleetwood instead.
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Yeah - would love to see them dotted through out the squad going forward. No point in having the academy if we never see the fruits of it.

My opinion at the moment is that Duffy, Fleck and Coutts is probably the best midfield 3 in the division so there's no real argument for Brooks or Whiteman to be starting regularly ahead of them, and I think this situation is ideal for using the loan windows.

Whiteman getting 6 months this year in league 2 playing proper mens football (i'm not convinced there's a huge drop in quality to L2 from L1) can only be good for him. Maybe a spell away starting regularly for both next year will mean in a couple of seasons they are ready to step in and contribute from the start.
 
Bladeinleeds said:
Yeah - would love to see them dotted through out the squad going forward. No point in having the academy if we never see the fruits of it.

My opinion at the moment is that Duffy, Fleck and Coutts is probably the best midfield 3 in the division so there's no real argument for Brooks or Whiteman to be starting regularly ahead of them, and I think this situation is ideal for using the loan windows.

Whiteman getting 6 months this year in league 2 playing proper mens football (i'm not convinced there's a huge drop in quality to L2 from L1) can only be good for him. Maybe a spell away starting regularly for both next year will mean in a couple of seasons they are ready to step in and contribute from the start.
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both whiteman and brooks are excellent prospects but they do need experience and game time so going out on loan is the best policy and as it stands now scougall is 6th choice for me and imo him mcnulty and hussey wont be here next season
 
Bladeinleeds said:
Yeah - would love to see them dotted through out the squad going forward. No point in having the academy if we never see the fruits of it.

My opinion at the moment is that Duffy, Fleck and Coutts is probably the best midfield 3 in the division so there's no real argument for Brooks or Whiteman to be starting regularly ahead of them, and I think this situation is ideal for using the loan windows.

Whiteman getting 6 months this year in league 2 playing proper mens football (i'm not convinced there's a huge drop in quality to L2 from L1) can only be good for him. Maybe a spell away starting regularly for both next year will mean in a couple of seasons they are ready to step in and contribute from the start.
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They might not be here next year. As far as I'm aware both their contracts expire in the summer. Which is horrendous. We'll probably be able to keep Whiteman in that case but I think Brooks will be off, and why wouldn't he be if he's got PL interest. The club have got to do more to get the best young players tied down because if they don't then what's the point?
 
Ricky said:
They might not be here next year. As far as I'm aware both their contracts expire in the summer. Which is horrendous. We'll probably be able to keep Whiteman in that case but I think Brooks will be off, and why wouldn't he be if he's got PL interest. The club have got to do more to get the best young players tied down because if they don't then what's the point?
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Shite. Hadn't realised that... Pretty poor planning then if that's the case.
 
Ricky said:
They might not be here next year. As far as I'm aware both their contracts expire in the summer. Which is horrendous. We'll probably be able to keep Whiteman in that case but I think Brooks will be off, and why wouldn't he be if he's got PL interest. The club have got to do more to get the best young players tied down because if they don't then what's the point?
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because ricky they want to sell at least one of our academy players every season if theres interest its been happening for years so thats why certain youngsters are not offered a deal in any case its gonna be a big step up for these 2 lads in the championship next season
 
kennyblade said:
because ricky they want to sell at least one of our academy players every season if theres interest its been happening for years so thats why certain youngsters are not offered a deal in any case its gonna be a big step up for these 2 lads in the championship next season
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If they want to sell them (and that's fair enough if we'll get good money) it's in their best interests to get them on longer contracts. We've just lost Ramsdale for 800k rather than £3m+ because he only had 6 months left rather than 3 years.
 
We can o ly sign these players to contracts if one....the contract is representative of their ability in the opinion of the manager, and two if the player will sign it.

If those players were good enough NOW to play, then they would be playing. End of.
Fact is, they aren't good enough yet to be relied upon to do the job to the level required consistently.

This is the problem we have, to keep them we need a premier league budget, because we are talking like a club that is able to keep a full squad of U/23's as well as 18's....all of which get paid. After 18, they will want 3 year contracts, or they can look to go elsewhere where they will play...like Mansfield for example.

I would hope we could sit these lads down, and look at their options. We could match whatever another club is prepared to pay, then send them on loan there anyway....but with the added bonus of being there if they prove they are good enough.
At the moment, I trust the club will get it right whatever, because one thing fans often do is rave about their own kids when in reality they are only playing against other kids. It's a huge jump to misters footy.
 
kennyblade said:
both whiteman and brooks are excellent prospects but they do need experience and game time so going out on loan is the best policy and as it stands now scougall is 6th choice for me and imo him mcnulty and hussey wont be here next season
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Would be ideal in a world where we were just playing out a season and being comfortable in Lge 1.
Unfortunately we are experiencing a type of season we haven't been involved for quite a few years - playing well with success looking like a real possibility :eek:
No manager is going to put that at risk - and if the kids have any football sense, they'll know that.
 
kennyblade said:
both whiteman and brooks are excellent prospects but they do need experience and game time so going out on loan is the best policy and as it stands now scougall is 6th choice for me and imo him mcnulty and hussey wont be here next season
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Thats exactly it they want experience but not necessary to throw them into our promotion push ,both Brooks and Whiteman could be big players for us soon but we don't need to risk them with the squad we have built we don't want to fail now .Whiteman is gone until next season which will be good for him , Brooks is around the squad and possibly could get thrown in but he is one for next season! real talent but needs careful management as he is a late developer and needs time to mature not kicked from arse to tit which would happen in this league,could be a really special player.
 
The biggest accolade I could give carruthers when he came on is that he played like Duffy, just different hair.
 



SandyMcBlade said:
Noticed he was a bit shy on shooting though, that will have to change....
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Wouldn't get your hopes up only take a quick look at his stats to see he doesn't score much at all. having said that same could be said for Brown up until the 22 goal season..
 
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