Well done Rosler

[Bladesthorpe]

I think the main reason for our poor performance was down to Rosler doing his homework and perfecting a plan to make us look second rate last night. He put the black lad No3 on Freeman and told him to follow him all the match and not to let him out of his sight, he did the job to perfection and cancelled our main attacking route at a stroke.
He then got his forwards to press our defenders so they had no time to build from the back and showed our limitations at passing, he then had his midfielders ( who were much fitter and stronger than ours ) to get amongst our ball players and not give them a second on the ball, his plan worked a treat to leave us well beaten. CW and the players need to be able to overcome a shrewd manager and his team when they have us sussed, lets hope Hanson, O'Shea, Carruthers and Riley ( if he ever gets a chance, Scougall on the wing instead of him ? ) can kick start us on to promotion.

 

[boo radley]

Thought Freeman was our most creative and best attacking player last night. The runs and crosses he did were great if only we had someone on the same wavelength last night. No one coming from deep to the far post etc.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Spot on. It's the first time in a good while that we have been out-thought; it was probably made much worse because of lower confidence after a couple of poor results, which made it look as if we were out-fought as well.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

I think the main reason for our poor performance was down to Rosler doing his homework and perfecting a plan to make us look second rate last night. He put the black lad No3 on Freeman and told him to follow him all the match and not to let him out of his sight, he did the job to perfection and cancelled our main attacking route at a stroke.
He then got his forwards to press our defenders so they had no time to build from the back and showed our limitations at passing, he then had his midfielders ( who were much fitter and stronger than ours ) to get amongst our ball players and not give them a second on the ball, his plan worked a treat to leave us well beaten. CW and the players need to be able to overcome a shrewd manager and his team when they have us sussed, lets hope Hanson, O'Shea, Carruthers and Riley ( if he ever gets a chance, Scougall on the wing instead of him ? ) can kick start us on to promotion.

agree - they've looked at us and sussed us out.

Now, they aren't the first and the coaches have 10 days to work on it.

As a team, we have still got the old habits of not really knowing how to deal with a team that closes us down very quickly.

UTB

 

[finlaytheblade]

I think the main reason for our poor performance was down to Rosler doing his homework and perfecting a plan to make us look second rate last night. He put the black lad No3 on Freeman and told him to follow him all the match and not to let him out of his sight, he did the job to perfection and cancelled our main attacking route at a stroke.
He then got his forwards to press our defenders so they had no time to build from the back and showed our limitations at passing, he then had his midfielders ( who were much fitter and stronger than ours ) to get amongst our ball players and not give them a second on the ball, his plan worked a treat to leave us well beaten. CW and the players need to be able to overcome a shrewd manager and his team when they have us sussed, lets hope Hanson, O'Shea, Carruthers and Riley ( if he ever gets a chance, Scougall on the wing instead of him ? ) can kick start us on to promotion.

Agree shrewd cooki . our Mr rosler
He has been a regular visitor to the lane in recent years,they had our measure at least we will be able to change it now with the editions we have made.It was obviouse the difference Hanson would have made.
Wilder has been proactive in the window,he knew we were desperate for a big man up front.Clark is a big Un but not a physical player. He could though benefit from Hanson physicality

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Spot on Bladesthorpe! Rosler is a very good manager - one of the best. Respect where it's due. And credit to Fleetwood because they played really well. Tactically spot on.

We'll finish above them and everyone else - despite last night. But we have to learn from that -and we will.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Vorsprung Durch Technik.

 

[Woodwardfan]

I thought Coutts and Fleck had the run of the park until we had to attack them more urgently when we had gone a goal down.

By 'run of the park' I mean they were in yards of space in areas where Coutts likes to play i.e. half way back in his own half. Fleck did just that too last night.

Duffy gets isolated if Freeman is struggling like he was first half. Lafferty is anonymous in support of attacks and Coutts and Fleck are too deep to bother anybody.

If Duffy is under pressure then so is in Sharp in turn and whoever his partner is at the time.

Hanson will challenge for the long, hopeful crosses we knock in and maybe we'll pick up a few second balls. However, big however, if Fleck and Coutts don't get up there in support we won't pick up enough.

I'm confident it will be Carruthers and Fleck though. Maybe O'Shea and Riley on each flank before long.

 

[JohnDenver]

I'm boring myself with the repetition, but if we could defend properly, Rosler's tactical genius would have earned them a point. Great defending, but lumping balls in behind fullbacks and hassling for errors shouldn't be something we cave in to.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Have we ever beaten a Rosler team.

 

[Davalon]

Deffo did their homework on us and fair play to them for sticking to their plan and working their socks off.

That said we only have ourselves to blame for losing.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Our first half was poor but I put that down to McNulty and a combination of fatigue from the weekend and Fleetwood not giving us space.

I still think if Wilder doesn't have a total brain fart and change the formation at half time, Fleetwood run out of legs and we come back into it last 20 minutes.

 

[Harry's Game]

Thought for a few years now he might one day manage us, especially if we become a Championship / League One yo yo team a bit like Barnsley or Charlton.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Have we ever beaten a Rosler team.

No idea . One thing is for certain , Fans should now realise every game is a banana skin and there to be won or lost . Wilder will get it right but he needs us silly fuckers off his back .

Playing at home will be a curse all season , which puts more pressure on us to win away.

The last 3 games have shown us all we have no Devine right to win promotion. We have to earn it and show repect .

If it's a case of some players becoming complacent and billy big bollocks , then welcome to the club of supporters who think the same .

Fleetwood , fuck me . Blades deserve what they get and so do us fans.

 

[Harry's Game]

The last 3 games have shown us all we have no Devine right to win promotion. We have to earn it and show repect .

Surely after six years no one actually thinks that?

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Surely after six years no one actually thinks that?

Harry , hope so , but the forum madness goes off the scale of sensibility . Suppose we put it down to nerves and being let down so many times .

Just got to hope Wilder and Knill sorts it , which they will .

Too much slagging players off in a red and white shirt for my liking . Slag the opposition not our own.

UTB

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

I think the main reason for our poor performance was down to Rosler doing his homework and perfecting a plan to make us look second rate last night. He put the black lad No3 on Freeman and told him to follow him all the match and not to let him out of his sight, he did the job to perfection and cancelled our main attacking route at a stroke.
He then got his forwards to press our defenders so they had no time to build from the back and showed our limitations at passing, he then had his midfielders ( who were much fitter and stronger than ours ) to get amongst our ball players and not give them a second on the ball, his plan worked a treat to leave us well beaten. CW and the players need to be able to overcome a shrewd manager and his team when they have us sussed, lets hope Hanson, O'Shea, Carruthers and Riley ( if he ever gets a chance, Scougall on the wing instead of him ? ) can kick start us on to promotion.

Find it hard to be so appreciative. All I saw was nine men behind the ball, us getting hit on the break and yet another team playing their one game of the season where they put in a shift.

 

[Harry's Game]

Find it hard to be so appreciative. All I saw was nine men behind the ball, us getting hit on the break and yet another team playing their one game of the season where they put in a shift.

Nonsense, nullified us broke quick, and are in fourth place closing on the top two, would indicate they have had more than the one good game.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

They were very decent, clearly. Supremely well organised, energetic & effective closing down, & dangerous on the break. But, like virtually all visitors to the Lane these days, incredibly defensive.

Maybe, in hindsight, against better sides like Fleetwood there's not such a desperate need to press things and take the game to them so relentlessly?

I mean - just take the basic 0-0 as something to build from (with it being no real disaster if it ends up that way), and just keep it as a midfield stalemate, passing it around (even allowing them possession for periods) to try & draw them out.

Anyway, hindsight's a wonderful thing. But, however poor we were, it was our ambition that was our downfall in the end - leaving us exposed at the back (against one of the more incisive sides going forward) & vulnerable to the counter.

 

[Sheffsteel]

They were very decent, clearly. Supremely well organised, energetic & effective closing down, & dangerous on the break. But, like virtually all visitors to the Lane these days, incredibly defensive.

Maybe, in hindsight, against better sides like Fleetwood there's not such a desperate need to press things and take the game to them so relentlessly?

I mean - just take the basic 0-0 as something to build from (with it being no real disaster if it ends up that way), and just keep it as a midfield stalemate, passing it around (even allowing them possession for periods) to try & draw them out.

Anyway, hindsight's a wonderful thing. But, however poor we were, it was our ambition that was our downfall in the end - leaving us exposed at the back (against one of the more incisive sides going forward) & vulnerable to the counter.

Excellent point.

I remember when Wilder first arrived, he said being a supporter and living in the city he knows what the fans want

He saw that Clough and Adkins tried to play cagey tactical football keeping it 0-0 a team half time then upping the tempo in the 2nd half. Then when we go 1-0 he saw that we then say back protecting the lead.

Wilder was hinting that his teams would be postive from the beginning and when 1-0 up, try for 2-0 up, then try for 3-0 up. He hinted that we would play open attacking positive football where we worry more about ourselves than the oppostion.

This is a great approach because we see loads of chances, plenty of entertainment and a lot of goals. The downside is that every now and then our positivity will backfire and we'll lose.

So now it seems some Blades want is to revert to the cautiousness and defensive approach that Clough brought and the "let's worry about the oppostion and deal with their threat" approach that Adkins had.

You couldn't make it up.

 

[Kenilworth]

Fucking Sausage muncher

 

[JohnDenver]

Excellent point.

I remember when Wilder first arrived, he said being a supporter and living in the city he knows what the fans want

He saw that Clough and Adkins tried to play cagey tactical football keeping it 0-0 a team half time then upping the tempo in the 2nd half. Then when we go 1-0 he saw that we then say back protecting the lead.

Wilder was hinting that his teams would be postive from the beginning and when 1-0 up, try for 2-0 up, then try for 3-0 up. He hinted that we would play open attacking positive football where we worry more about ourselves than the oppostion.

This is a great approach because we see loads of chances, plenty of entertainment and a lot of goals. The downside is that every now and then our positivity will backfire and we'll lose.

So now it seems some Blades want is to revert to the cautiousness and defensive approach that Clough brought and the "let's worry about the oppostion and deal with their threat" approach that Adkins had.

You couldn't make it up.

People bemoaning our passing the ball and blaming that for our failures is what I don't understand. A team can play any style under the sun, but if they're off form or badly set-up then it'll be rubbish to watch. Sure enough we've lost form and picked an odd XI on Tuesday, and thusly things go the shape of a pear. But what's the problem? The method that got us to the top, or the form and selection issues?

You're right in what you say - our approach brings risks. But there are things we can do to mitigate them, and we failed to do them on Tuesday. It's fair to point that out without wanting to overturn the philosophy.

 

[Jehovah]

I think it was an excellent display of tactical nous the way he made EEL turn into a 14 year old Sunday league defender and gift them a goal.

 

[Sheffsteel]

I think it was an excellent display of tactical nous the way he made EEL turn into a 14 year old Sunday league defender and gift them a goal.

Ha ha agree he was alarmingly poor and looked short on confidence.
At least Wilder let him play up front for the last 15 minutes to take him out of defence

This morning on the radio they were talking about Klopp at Liverpool and it sounded so similar to Wilder at Utd. The theories given to explain Liverpools recent down turn in form were;

1: Klopp plays an high energy pressing game and apparently he works them really hard in training.
Liverpool fans said maybe the players are tired due to be overworked because they don't seem as dynamic and as good at pressing compared to earlier in the season.

2: Another theory was that maybe teams have worked then out tactically because teams are now sitting deep denying space behind and letting Liverpool attack them. Then they try to catch them on quick counter attacks.

3: They also mention that maybe Klopp is too attack minded. He's always postive and creating chances but Klopp isn't so bothered about defence. It's as though "yeh we might concede 2 goals but we can score 4 goals".

Just thought it very interesting that the current critisisms of Klopp could easily be put to Wilder.

Personally I think Wilder and Knill will be working out specific tactics how to break down a packed defence.
And you can bet they will revolve around Hansons physical presence and ability to cause chaos.
I'm still very confident we'll be fine this season and will finish top 2. Hanson will be key.

 

[Bladesthorpe]

Find it hard to be so appreciative. All I saw was nine men behind the ball, us getting hit on the break and yet another team playing their one game of the season where they put in a shift.

What tosh, they could have been 3-0 up at H/T, by the way they are 11 unbeaten now so can't be just this game where they put a shift in.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Have we ever beaten a Rosler team.

Yes, several times.

 

[Sheffsteel]

What tosh, they could have been 3-0 up at H/T, by the way they are 11 unbeaten now so can't be just this game where they put a shift in.

Fleetwood reminded me of the old Wimbledon team.
They didn't look good. Had the look of a lower division team as they had no flair or nice style.
But they were no nonsense, exceptionally organised and discipled with German efficiency.
They had this ability to make us look very ordinary, Wimbledon were the same when playing top level clubs with loads more skill and flair, so you have to give Rosler credit.

It's the first home game for ages when after 20 minutes I wasn't confident and thought "this is going to be tough". We did a lot of attacking but I never felt we were going to score.
They've now conceded ONE goal in their last SIX league matches and now you can see why.

If they play the underdog role and try to sneak 1-0 wins they will be a tough nut to crack and should do well.
But if they suddenly think they're a good team and start playing open attacking football they'll come unstuck.

 

[fuerstenberger]

The Germans have always approached football scientifically. Back in the early eighties, when I arrived in Essen, I was subjected to all sorts of medical tests. They took a biopsy of muscle, using a long hollow needle, (it was effing painful) and tested to see what percentage was fast twitch, super fast twitch etc. I was told if I was not at or above certain levels, I would be going home. We were all given tasks on the pitch, these were very precise. If a player failed to execute their tasks they were dropped. There was really no place for individual flashes of skill. Players got bollocked if they did something out of the planned and then dropped. Even if a goal came out of their individualism. It was harsh. During training once I remember hearing a centre forward saying what he had been coached in order to turn swivel and shoot, as he scored a blinder. If you watch German players, even now,,there is definitely a formula to their shooting. Clive Woodward applied the same training techniques to the World Cup winning side.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Yes, several times.

Who,what,where ???

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Who,what,where ???

When he was at Brentford we beat them twice in 2011-12.