Our owners

[INTAKE BLADE]

Maybe just maybe, everyone from chairman to tea lady are singing from the same sheet for once.

In wilder we have a mans man, no bullshit talker or taker. Utb

 

[Houston_Blade]

Maybe just maybe, everyone from chairman to tea lady are singing from the same sheet for once.

In wilder we have a mans man, no bullshit talker or taker. Utb

Don't bring the tea lady into it, she was the one who asked for the Desso pitch in the first place.

 

[Barney]

Surprise, surprise first out of the traps is Professor of Accounting; Barney.

So 'wages' aren't and can never be 'investment'? So when Asda/Morrisons/Tesco say they are 'investing' profits in more staff and price cuts, have they got this wrong?

Is it only 'investment' in the land of Barney accounting standards, if spent on NEW players?

Is the 'convenient black hole' of wages a big problem and would be better only signing players who don't want to be paid?

which is reinvested in a way, but not properly if we're being honest.

Can we have a formally accepted international definition of 'properly'?

I really think you may be onto something here and you may have rumbled them. KM is probably stuffing suitcases with used notes while the plane is on the runway, waiting to take him to Argentina to join Paul Woolhouse.

Who has been claiming that he's stealing money btw, just wondering because you keep mentioning it yet I haven't actually seen anyone make the point.

 

[Bladeloyal]

Maybe just maybe, everyone from chairman to tea lady are singing from the same sheet for once.

In wilder we have a mans man, no bullshit talker or taker. Utb

Everybody at the lane now is made to feel special and wanted ,that's what make good managers in all walks of life .and we've got one hell of a manager

 

[Razor Blade]

If I was Kevin or the Prince (i'd fuck off with all the money) i too would not want to support the Clown management acts we have had.
CW, just seems to be the real deal.....Signings are heartfelt (still not convinced about Clarke) and researched, not of the cuff names !!!!
I for one, trust KM and the Prince to be behind CW.
UTB.

 

[I should coco]

Who has been claiming that he's stealing money btw, just wondering because you keep mentioning it yet I haven't actually seen anyone make the point.

There were two comments this morning about KM taking money from the club but I certainly can't be arsed to waste my time looking for them.

You may decide that means you have 'won' in some way, but life really is too short for me to go hunting for ludicrous posts in order to given them more air time again.

You know very well, the anti McCabe ("Where's the money gone") jibes are all over this forum, so I struggle to believe that you 'haven't actually seen anyone make the point'.

 

[Yewsman]

It's important to keep some perspective and not get too carried away giving credit to the wrong people just because we're doing really well. Let's not forget that the budget was reduced in the summer AND we sold 2 players for large sums, the money from which is yet to be reinvested.

It is Wilder that needs all the credit, he's done a remarkable job with recruitment given the circumstances. Imagine how we'd be doing if he was given a large budget in the first place and then the Che + DCL money was reinvested.

The progress we have seen is in spite of McCabe/Prince, not because.

The DCL and Che money was reinvested. It was used to pay for Clarke, Moore, JOC, and the compensation fee we paid for Lavery. Plus it was invested in player wages. These guys don't play for nothing and would have been on Championship wages as opposed to DCL and Che. We are also paying the wages of EEL and Lafferty both from Championship clubs. In addition we had to pay off Hammond's contract which would probably have cost at least £500k (52 weeks at £10k pw - and possibly more). Get real.

 

[Sneinton Blade 1952]

It all went pair shaped after the board sanctioned the sale of Mick Jones to Leeds for a paltry £100k :-(

I agree. Bloody hell, I'm still upset about Jones and Birchenall. My point was that in the August window things had clearly changed and we brought in key players, funded by getting good money for non-key ones.

 

[Sean Thornton]

The DCL and Che money was reinvested. It was used to pay for Clarke, Moore, JOC, and the compensation fee we paid for Lavery. Plus it was invested in player wages. These guys don't play for nothing and would have been on Championship wages as opposed to DCL and Che. We are also paying the wages of EEL and Lafferty both from Championship clubs. In addition we had to pay off Hammond's contract which would probably have cost at least £500k (52 weeks at £10k pw - and possibly more). Get real.

Only the third of January and people are insisting on talking common sense. There's no call for it.

I blame BladesMad.

 

[itsinyerblood]

There were two comments this morning about KM taking money from the club but I certainly can't be arsed to waste my time looking for them.

You may decide that means you have 'won' in some way, but life really is too short for me to go hunting for ludicrous posts in order to given them more air time again.

You know very well, the anti McCabe ("Where's the money gone") jibes are all over this forum, so I struggle to believe that you 'haven't actually seen anyone make the point'.

Careful ISC, some posters write with a deliberate obliqueness, it's designed to assist their deniability. Expect wide-eyed denials accompanied by new plot-lines to further their sense of elevated contributor.

 

[zablade]

They seem to have got the manager appointment right at long last, but as for giving them credit for anything else? I'm sorry but the McCabes at least need to put a lot more back into that credit bank to make up for the horrendous mistakes and poor judgement over the last ten Years.

 

[BusheyBlade]

We are also paying the wages of EEL and Lafferty both from Championship clubs.

It gets worse, one is from a Premier League club (albeit only just promoted last season)!

 

[Sean Thornton]

Careful ISC, some posters write with a deliberate obliqueness, it's designed to assist their deniability. Expect wide-eyed denials accompanied by new plot-lines to further their sense of elevated contributor.

True. Very true. Some do believe what they post is accurate though, despite its absurdity.

 

[Barney]

The DCL and Che money was reinvested. It was used to pay for Clarke, Moore, JOC, and the compensation fee we paid for Lavery. Plus it was invested in player wages. These guys don't play for nothing and would have been on Championship wages as opposed to DCL and Che. We are also paying the wages of EEL and Lafferty both from Championship clubs. In addition we had to pay off Hammond's contract which would probably have cost at least £500k (52 weeks at £10k pw - and possibly more). Get real.

Oh dear. There is such thing as spending without having to sell players to compensate you know.

Alien concept at Sheffield United I know.

 

[JJBlade]

I can honestly say it's a long time since I turned on a manager, I didn't turn on Wilson and I didn't turn on Clough. I didn't even turn on Adkins
I had some choice words to say about Blackwells style of play but even sacking him two games into a new season was pretty stupid

 

[Bladeloyal]

Oh dear. There is such thing as spending without having to sell players to compensate you know.

Alien concept at Sheffield United I know.

How does a business try to cover huge losses year in year out without cashing in on assets now and again

 

[boo radley]

I didn't. What you said was that when KM gets it right it's by pure chance; when he gets it wrong it's his fault.

Did you lead the car park protest when Adkins was appointed?

I'm afraid you're taking bollocks to a new level of completeness at the moment.

The monkey/typewriter theory is bunkum, by the way. They would never manage a single sentence correctly; much like some of our contributors...

You obviously enjoyed the way down and the stagnation and all that wonderful hoofball you keep banging on about.
The Lady doth protest too much, methinks.

 

[Esablade]

I do rather like this notion that fans should be more than grateful to owners for paying debts that said owners have run up themselves over years of incompetence....it's a wonderful concept...

Cap duly doffed....

 

[South Bucks]

The DCL and Che money was reinvested. It was used to pay for Clarke, Moore, JOC, and the compensation fee we paid for Lavery. Plus it was invested in player wages. These guys don't play for nothing and would have been on Championship wages as opposed to DCL and Che. We are also paying the wages of EEL and Lafferty both from Championship clubs. In addition we had to pay off Hammond's contract which would probably have cost at least £500k (52 weeks at £10k pw - and possibly more). Get real.

Thanks for the post and info and personally I struggle to be able to understand the true financial situation as its so cloudy but if the DCL and Che money was gobbled up by the above are we saying that the season ticket and gate money of many millions is more than (or less than) consumed by other running costs?.

I think its difficult for fans like me to understand cos we never see a simple summary of the accounts like we have outgoings of a,b and c and incomings of d,e and f so we typically make or loss or profit of x millions each year. I think if it was clear there is a deficit each year the fans would have more respect for the owners and the cloudiness and selling of good players fuels suspicion. I can understand the movements of assets into second companies to prevent asset stripping but I don't see why simplified numbers couldn't be in the public domain. Companies house info is too hard for folk like me to understand.

Fans from other clubs I talk to all assume because of our big gates we are rolling in cash but my suspicion is due to a number of bad decisions and high wage costs over the years we probably owe the owners more respect than they get, but I may be wrong.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Thanks for the post and info and personally I struggle to be able to understand the true financial situation as its so cloudy but if the DCL and Che money was gobbled up by the above are we saying that the season ticket and gate money of many millions is more than (or less than) consumed by other running costs?.

I think its difficult for fans like me to understand cos we never see a simple summary of the accounts like we have outgoings of a,b and c and incomings of d,e and f so we typically make or loss or profit of x millions each year. I think if it was clear there is a deficit each year the fans would have more respect for the owners and the cloudiness and selling of good players fuels suspicion. I can understand the movements of assets into second companies to prevent asset stripping but I don't see why simplified numbers couldn't be in the public domain. Companies house info is too hard for folk like me to understand.

Fans from other clubs I talk to all assume because of our big gates we are rolling in cash but my suspicion is due to a number of bad decisions and high wage costs over the years we probably owe the owners more respect than they get, but I may be wrong.

It's perfectly clear there is a deficit each year and has been for some time.

 

[Pinchy]

I can honestly say it's a long time since I turned on a manager, I didn't turn on Wilson and I didn't turn on Clough. I didn't even turn on Adkins
I had some choice words to say about Blackwells style of play but even sacking him two games into a new season was pretty stupid

It was three. I'm not being pedantic, here. The 2-0 league cup defeat at Hartlepool, where his team put in an abject performance without a single shot at goal, was quite significant in cooking Semi-Pro's goose.

He should, of course, have been publicly sacked, tarred and feathered in the centre circle at half-time at Wembley Stadium.

 

[Bartyblade]

Thanks for the post and info and personally I struggle to be able to understand the true financial situation as its so cloudy but if the DCL and Che money was gobbled up by the above are we saying that the season ticket and gate money of many millions is more than (or less than) consumed by other running costs?.

I think its difficult for fans like me to understand cos we never see a simple summary of the accounts like we have outgoings of a,b and c and incomings of d,e and f so we typically make or loss or profit of x millions each year. I think if it was clear there is a deficit each year the fans would have more respect for the owners and the cloudiness and selling of good players fuels suspicion. I can understand the movements of assets into second companies to prevent asset stripping but I don't see why simplified numbers couldn't be in the public domain. Companies house info is too hard for folk like me to understand.

Fans from other clubs I talk to all assume because of our big gates we are rolling in cash but my suspicion is due to a number of bad decisions and high wage costs over the years we probably owe the owners more respect than they get, but I may be wrong.

SB, Unfortunately, IMO, accounts are a bit like legal documents, if you don't stick to fairly rigid conventions, the very simplifications you want can be used to disguise dodgy practices.
Our only hope is that publication of the bare numbers will allow those with the appropriate skill set amongst us to pass comment and raise the alarm should the powers that be try on something really dodgy and/or underhand.

 

[PokerBlade]

Yep, let's not concentrate on what's happening now when we can dredge up the past simply to take some of the gloss of it via hindsight. We've made a signing early, let's see what else happens.

As has been stated, Wilder is the catalyst, he's made astute signings, has got us playing well and also being able to grind out results but let's keep harping on about how bad an appointment Robson, or Adkins was. Surprisingly maybe, we all know. Six years six years six years. FFS.

I give Wilder the credit, not the board for appointing him. I'll give them some credit if the back him to his satisfaction.

I'm not dredging up the past, I'm commenting in a thread about our board and talking about the actual actions past and present of that board.

What's weird about this sarcastic response is that you end it by agreeing with me entirely.

 

[Pinchy]

Oh dear. There is such thing as spending without having to sell players to compensate you know.

Alien concept at Sheffield United I know.

Spending other people's money. It's the Bladesfans Way....

 

[Bladesway]

We're top of the league and flying. Time for some LOOK AT ME threads and a punch up. Of course.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I'm not dredging up the past, I'm commenting in a thread about our board and talking about the actual actions past and present of that board.

What's weird about this sarcastic response is that you end it by agreeing with me entirely.

So you've talked about the past then. Rather than concentrating on now?

Entirely? I think I approached it from a different perspective with the emphasis being on hopefully things having changed rather than suggesting it might not have.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

I don't think we can say for certain yet that "things have clearly changed".
We didn't sell any "key" players in August because we didn't really have any key players and therefore didn't receive any offers.
On current form, I could well see offers from Championship clubs coming in for Moore, Fleck, Coutts, Duffy and Sharp.

McCabe's response in the past has always been "If an offer comes in from an higher league you cannot keep a player".
Even if the player is under contract. Even if it damages or destroys our chance of promotion to that higher league.
What will be his reaction to any such offer in this transfer window?
If he backs the manager and turns it down that will signal a definite change of policy and be worthy of great praise.
Fingers crossed!

This.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

If there's any fool who thinks a direct family member of the first king of Saudi doesn't have a pot to piss in ,well there isn't much you could do for them

I just wish he had the amount of money some on here think he's got. He ain't anywhere close to bilionare status, unfortunately.

 

[PokerBlade]

So you've talked about the past then. Rather than concentrating on now?

Entirely? I think I approached it from a different perspective with the emphasis being on hopefully things having changed rather than suggesting it might not have.

I posted back on page one before the post you quoted. I don't know how much credit to give the board for the appointment of Wilder vs. whether they've fallen lucky after a string of poor appointments and mistakes in the running of the club (specifically, Clough being allowed to sign so many poor players without anyone stepping in).

I've been saying since our turn in form how absolutely wrong I was about Wilder and how much I'm loving football right now.

I hope the influence of the changes we've made at boardroom are starting to take effect. I hope that the board have learned some lessons, but those aren't questions that can be answered based on this relatively short term progress. They're things that will be judged based on future outcomes. I don't see how I can give any kind of sensible comment about the board without these considerations.

 

[Grecian2000]

We're top of the league and flying. Time for some LOOK AT ME threads and a punch up. Of course.

Twas always thus.

We do badly, we want the manager and board out.
Billy doesn't score for a couple of games he needs replacing.
If Billy scores his partner needs replacing.
We don't score 5 we're not creating enough, the midfield needs a re-think.
We score 5 but concede 1 the defence needs re-shuffling.
We get to the top of the league we need an argument about the board (admittedly we haven't got to the top for a while).

The idea we need to invent things to complain about when we're doing well is not new or unique but is a tad annoying.

Not been on here for a while as I'm just enjoying what's happening on the pitch and can't really be arsed with anything else.