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The Wilder Monkey
I will tell you why; so shall my anticipation prevent your discovery, and your secrecy to the King and queene: moult no feather. I have of late, (but wherefore I know not) lost all my mirth, forgone all custom of exercises; and indeed, it goes so heavily with my disposition; that this goodly frame the earth, seems to me a sterile promontory; this most excellent canopy the air, look you, this brave o'er hanging firmament, this majestical roof, fretted with golden fire: why, it appeareth no other thing to me, than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapours. What a piece of work is a man! How noble in reason, how infinite in faculty! In form and moving how express and admirable! In action how like an Angel! in apprehension how like a god! The beauty of the world! The paragon of animals! And yet to me, what is this quintessence of dust? Man delights not me; no, nor Woman neither; though by your smiling you seem to say so

So, you have also read it wrong.

 

[PokerBlade]

It's important to keep some perspective and not get too carried away giving credit to the wrong people just because we're doing really well.

I think this is the key point. If we were a few places lower then we'd be hearing no end of how short-sighted we were to let Adams and DCL go. Since we're top, they barely get a mention and when they do it's about what a canny piece of business it was. Certain people get a suspension from some criticism while we're enjoying how well things are going, but a good six months is still a long way short of making up for a bad six years or more. As I said before, we need to be stable in the Championship and then I'll start talking about if the board have worked things out.

 

[Deaneandagana]

What CW has done is brought a simple no nonsense approach to running our football club, in addition he's wrestled control back from a group of disengaged trouble makers & dispatched them.

What we have now, which is entirely down to CW, is a strong leader & a group of engaged players who are all focused on 1 clear objective.

The board, it could be argued, have thus done their job in recruiting & appointing such an individual, it's worth remembering that they're previous 6 appointments were all abject failures.

 

[Worksop II]

What CW has done is brought a simple no nonsense approach to running our football club, in addition he's wrestled control back from a group of disengaged trouble makers & dispatched them.

Yes, away with you, back to Begium ..........................

 

[Sean Thornton]

I think this is the key point. If we were a few places lower then we'd be hearing no end of how short-sighted we were to let Adams and DCL go. Since we're top, they barely get a mention and when they do it's about what a canny piece of business it was. Certain people get a suspension from some criticism while we're enjoying how well things are going, but a good six months is still a long way short of making up for a bad six years or more. As I said before, we need to be stable in the Championship and then I'll start talking about if the board have worked things out.

Yep, let's not concentrate on what's happening now when we can dredge up the past simply to take some of the gloss of it via hindsight. We've made a signing early, let's see what else happens.

As has been stated, Wilder is the catalyst, he's made astute signings, has got us playing well and also being able to grind out results but let's keep harping on about how bad an appointment Robson, or Adkins was. Surprisingly maybe, we all know. Six years six years six years. FFS.

I give Wilder the credit, not the board for appointing him. I'll give them some credit if the back him to his satisfaction.

 

[Pinchy]

So, you have also read it wrong.

I didn't. What you said was that when KM gets it right it's by pure chance; when he gets it wrong it's his fault.

Did you lead the car park protest when Adkins was appointed?

I'm afraid you're taking bollocks to a new level of completeness at the moment.

The monkey/typewriter theory is bunkum, by the way. They would never manage a single sentence correctly; much like some of our contributors...

 

[shorehamstreet1990]

The way I feel about this is that with Tufty it's like the chair that is the metaphor of SUFC has four stable legs and has been made by a carpenter that knows his shit.

Under both Niges, it felt like a chair with 3 legs and you were never sure if it was going to fall over.

Tufty is providing a sense of security in performance that we have missed for years.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

If we reach the 1st Feb without one of our key players being sold, I will be the first to give credit to our owners for their change of policy.

Noted in diary...........at least you didn't threaten to show your bum at every till in tesco

UTB

 

[Sean Thornton]

Is anyone actually getting "carried away" in giving credit to the owners or is it just an over exaggeration? No one looks giddy to me although there are probably a few gnashing their teeth about the suggestion the board have done something's that's worked for a change.

 

[Pinchy]

Yep, let's not concentrate on what's happening now when we can dredge up the past simply to take some of the gloss of it via hindsight. We've made a signing early, let's see what else happens.

As has been stated, Wilder is the catalyst, he's made astute signings, has got us playing well and also being able to grind out results but let's keep harping on about how bad an appointment Robson, or Adkins was. Surprisingly maybe, we all know. Six years six years six years. FFS.

I give Wilder the credit, not the board for appointing him. I'll give them some credit if the back him to his satisfaction.

He seems pretty confident that they will. His recent interviews are those of a man who expects, rather than hopes, to bring in about three recruits this window.

I'm glad that any good footballers we do sign will have a first class surface upon which to showcase their talents. A key visionary investment by the club, is that new pitch (and the ones at Shirecliffe). Well done KM and the Prince.

 

[I should coco]

The way I feel about this is that with Tufty it's like the chair that is the metaphor of SUFC has four stable legs and has been made by a carpenter that knows his shit.

"Tufty and the mystery of the chair metaphor" - available now from all crap bookshops.

 

[Houston_Blade]

It's important to keep some perspective and not get too carried away giving credit to the wrong people just because we're doing really well. Let's not forget that the budget was reduced in the summer AND we sold 2 players for large sums, the money from which is yet to be reinvested.

It is Wilder that needs all the credit, he's done a remarkable job with recruitment given the circumstances. Imagine how we'd be doing if he was given a large budget in the first place and then the Che + DCL money was reinvested.

The progress we have seen is in spite of McCabe/Prince, not because.

Sorry but the money has been reinvested. It doesn't just disappear into a black hole. Only when we are turning a profit without putting money into transfers can you say that the money isn't being reinvested.

 

[I should coco]

Sorry but the money has been reinvested. It doesn't just disappear into a black hole. Only when we are turning a profit without putting money into transfers can you say that the money isn't being reinvested.

Stop it now!

That's two sensible posts on this thread NOT acusing KM of stealing money. This kind of seditious talk will do you no good.

Let's hope one of our regular posters comes along and accuses KM of theft, larceny, fraud and false accounting and then we all know where we stand.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Stop it now!

That's two sensible posts on this thread NOT acusing KM of stealing money. This kind of seditious talk will do you no good.

Let's hope one of our regular posters comes along and accuses KM of theft, larceny, fraud and false accounting and then we all know where we stand.

Don't forget "makes money from staying in this division"

 

[I should coco]

Don't forget "makes money from staying in this division"

Shame on me!

That's the obvious one. By selling fewer pies/ programmes there is potentially less unsold waste at the the day's end. We aslo save money on stwearding the small numbers of away fans. Cleary KM is making a killing here.

 

[ucandomagic]

Now we have signed Samir perhaps the Prince has bought what he was lacking!!

UTB

 

[Barney]

Stop it now!

That's two sensible posts on this thread NOT acusing KM of stealing money. This kind of seditious talk will do you no good.

Let's hope one of our regular posters comes along and accuses KM of theft, larceny, fraud and false accounting and then we all know where we stand.

Nobodies saying he's stealing money so no point acting daft.

What they are saying however, is that we spent a reduced budget on players, then sold DCL + Adams for large sums, without then spending those sums on new incoming fees. So it will have gone on the convenient black hole of wages, which is reinvested in a way, but not properly if we're being honest. That's maybe good enough for you and others but not a lot of people.

Remember when it was the same thing with Murphy? Where we all thought we were going to spend that money on fees for new players, but it just ended up going on wages for the current players and signed off as reinvestment.

That being said, there is still the JTW so I'm still holding my horses at the moment. Albeit with bated breath.

Thank God for Wilder.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Shame on me!

That's the obvious one. By selling fewer pies/ programmes there is potentially less unsold waste at the the day's end. We aslo save money on stwearding the small numbers of away fans. Cleary KM is making a killing here.

I've heard, from someone close to the top at BL obviously, he owns Desso which is why we pay for a pitch every year....

 

[I should coco]

Nobodies saying he's stealing money so no point acting daft.

What they are saying however, is that we spent a reduced budget on players, then sold DCL + Adams for large sums, without then spending those sums on new incoming fees. So it will have gone on the convenient black hole of wages, which is reinvested in a way, but not properly if we're being honest. That's maybe good enough for you and others but not a lot of people.

Remember when it was the same thing with Murphy? Where we all thought we were going to spend that money on fees for new players, but it just ended up going on wages for the current players and signed off as reinvestment.

Surprise, surprise first out of the traps is Professor of Accounting; Barney.

So 'wages' aren't and can never be 'investment'? So when Asda/Morrisons/Tesco say they are 'investing' profits in more staff and price cuts, have they got this wrong?

Is it only 'investment' in the land of Barney accounting standards, if spent on NEW players?

Is the 'convenient black hole' of wages a big problem and would be better only signing players who don't want to be paid?

which is reinvested in a way, but not properly if we're being honest.

Can we have a formally accepted international definition of 'properly'?

I really think you may be onto something here and you may have rumbled them. KM is probably stuffing suitcases with used notes while the plane is on the runway, waiting to take him to Argentina to join Paul Woolhouse.

 

[wizadry]

It's good that we are reinvesting any money, this is always a plus point because they could just buy no one seen as though we're top of the league. It wouldn't be the best thing to do, stagnate, but they could still do it nonetheless.

I have slagged our board off no end of times over the years so although it's still early in the window I still see fit to give some praise. Well done!

Even if we get rid of a Midielder now, I wouldn't like it but at least we have brought someone in before it happens, this is how it should be done, plan ahead. Carruthers is top notch for me and will be better than Fleck and Coutts, one of whom I rate very highly and the other being someone who is continuing to redeem himself from last season's lethargic performances, again well done!

Carruthers is also a signing which we won't lose any money on, infact I'm sure we will make a substantial profit on him, these are the perfect signing, it's still early days with him but I rate him that highly.

Our board are no where near in profit as decisions go but they are definitely on the right track, now don't go and let yourselves down by getting rid of a few of our assets in this windows. One, I could possibly stomach and i'm also expecting it as our players must have impressed someone but two or three would be criminal, unless of course we plan ahead again and get the required players in before hand.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Surprise, surprise first out of the traps is Professor of Accounting; Barney.

So 'wages' aren't and can never be 'investment'? So when Asda/Morrisons/Tesco say they are 'investing' profits in more staff and price cuts, have they got this wrong?

Is it only 'investment' in the land of Barney accounting standards, if spent on NEW players?

Is the 'convenient black hole' of wages a big problem and would be better only signing players who don't want to be paid?

which is reinvested in a way, but not properly if we're being honest.

Can we have a formally accepted international definition of 'properly'?

I really think you may be onto something here and you may have rumbled them. KM is probably stuffing suitcases with used notes while the plane is on the runway, waiting to take him to Argentina to join Paul Woolhouse.

Remember trading losses don't count because they're McCabes fault anyway.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

The best owners/chairman etc are those you rarely hear from or see in the paper etc.

I don't think its coincidence that since Wilder has taken over we have heard next to nothing from the powers above.

Everything comes from Wilder. He's in control (as he stipulated when offered the job).

 

[Sean Thornton]

Surprise, surprise first out of the traps is Professor of Accounting; Barney.

So 'wages' aren't and can never be 'investment'? So when Asda/Morrisons/Tesco say they are 'investing' profits in more staff and price cuts, have they got this wrong?

Is it only 'investment' in the land of Barney accounting standards, if spent on NEW players?

Is the 'convenient black hole' of wages a big problem and would be better only signing players who don't want to be paid?

which is reinvested in a way, but not properly if we're being honest.

Can we have a formally accepted international definition of 'properly'?

I really think you may be onto something here and you may have rumbled them. KM is probably stuffing suitcases with used notes while the plane is on the runway, waiting to take him to Argentina to join Paul Woolhouse.

Who are the "nobodies saying he's stealing money". They might not understand finance but calling them nobodies is a bit rich.

 

[Sean Thornton]

The best owners/chairman etc are those you rarely hear from or see in the paper etc.

I don't think its coincidence that since Wilder has taken over we have heard next to nothing from the powers above.

Everything comes from Wilder. He's in control (as he stipulated when offered the job).

^^^^^ this

 

[Worksop II]

Who are the "nobodies saying he's stealing money". They might not understand finance but calling them nobodies is a bit rich.

Sean has new set of Sniping Credits for this year .........

 

[Esablade]

I believe Wilder has taken control of the club by the scruff of the neck rather than the 'board' controlling managers by the scruff of the neck....some of whom, apparently, were rather 'hands off' in certain areas, either by choice or not...

 

[Sean Thornton]

Sean has new set of Sniping Credits for this year .........

Got 'em for Christmas W. still need to read the stupid posts to be able to use them though. Probably need a refill before the end of the month.

 

[blade too long]

lets see Chris Wilders take on it ,
Wilder, speaking to United’s official website, added: “We have tracked and monitored Samir for some time and he is a player who can grow with us. We are delighted that the board have backed us with this level of investment.”

We are delighted that the board have backed us with this level of investment.

We are delighted that the board have backed us with this level of investment.


lets all say it together

 

[blade too long]

"Tufty and the mystery of the chair metaphor" - available now from all crap bookshops.

how much for these stunning chairs , be fabulous when stained

 

[Yewsman]

Many decent points in your post Poker. I'd add that due to the laxness of the board in allowing Clough far too much freedom, I suspect Wilder's aware of this and ensures that he covers his back at every turn. In Wilder we have a canny, intelligent, and aware manager, someone who knows exactly who we need and ensures we do our best to recruit them.

The Board have also set up some form of Committee to oversee signings and contracts so that we don't get into the same mess as with Clough and Adkins.