January budget - how much should it be?

[Boxer Blade]

In January, money is not usually the answer. The first priority is to keep 'our' players; second, keep the loan players, if possible. Then it is a matter of recruiting, if Wilder wants, some of the following: Young players from higher leagues, on loan; players in last 6 months of contracts who can be bought relatively cheaply; good players from the league below, or from clubs in our league who have financial problems. We are unlikely to be able to buy good players from higher leagues, or from clubs in our league unless they have money problems. Good as it would to acquire a good player to cover for Duffy, it is hard to see where you would find a similar player willing to sit on the bench.
For me, the number one requirement is for the Board to trust Wilder's judgement, and if he feels a player will improve our promotion prospects, they should look at his record so far, and back him up.

Good point hodgy, we are usually talking about players we want to hold on to as well at this time of year and I dont feel I have read anybody talking about taking our "better" players.we must feel confident it wont happen! Cue that money grabbing twat will sell to who ever comes in with an offer, I reckon he wouldn't cross Wilder.

 

[Boxer Blade]

Dont think anyones expecting owt really are they ?

Anyone who is will only end up getting their panties in a bunch by the end of january

Well wilder is certainly expecting somebody coming in.dont know about his underwear, why the negativity?

 

[jt64]

I don't think we need that much, at least permanently. Think we need creativity/pace in attacking midfield, but that is better supplied by loans from the big clubs. If we make EEL permanent and retain everyone else I'll be happy

 

[Blade58]

"Well Chris, the fact that you've got this squad to the top of the league tells me they're good enough to win promotion. On that basis and as well as being able to compliment the first team squad with utilisation of the academy, I...........er sorry........ we, don't see that there's a requirement for you to spend my.........er sorry..... our money...........er sorry......invest in first team recruits at this time"

I'll guess at an enthusiastic and over exaggerated £1m

 

[South Bucks]

As others have eluded to, there may well be a few clubs in the championship and the Swanseas etc who will be looking at our and other players and wondering if they buy a few doing well if half of them score or help make a goal at a higher level it could be worth gambling a few millions. If Swansea offered 4 million for Billy would our board resist ? History has most of the answers.

Personally I don't mind selling anyone if the manager is on board, its tactically correct, the price is right and the profits are made available to the manager at least a couple of weeks before the end of the transfer window to be able to use them.

Here's to hoping our normal history doesn't proceed us and our management act positively and seize the opportunity before them and don't hope to get by on the cheap which we know usually doesn't work.

 

[Silent Blade]

I vote for "Undisclosed"

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Unless any incomers would be more than good enough in the Championship I would prefer we just loan what we need to get over the line and then reappraise the whole squad thereafter. The LAST rhing we need are a few permenant signings on 3 year deals who won't cut it at a higher level.

I am confident Wilder will be doing business along those lines.

 

[Maidenhead]

Have to agree wholeheartedly with that Barney. The only two positions in which we are weak.

Any strengthening in other areas is of course good but that would require a few going out before we get the new blood in.

UTB

Surprisingly I'm pretty much in complete agreement with Barney too

 

[Leonardo Green]

high, and the purchases should now be with one eye on the league above.

 

[Jehovah]

I expect us to sell Sharp to Oldham because when players want to go there is no force on earth that can stop them. Even contracts.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Mccabes moto is "Treat them mean to keep them keen"

 

[Barney]

Surprisingly I'm pretty much in complete agreement with Barney too

You always agree with me what you on about.

 

[Hillsboro Blade]

One milllllion dollars.

 

[I should coco]

I'd say these three things to the board...

Learn from history.
Recognise this is the right time.
Recognise that we've got the right manager.

I'd say these things to the fans (especially the 24 silly twats who said >£2m).

We owe McCabe/His family/His trusts/Scarborough nearly £60m.
It's really easy to spend someone else's money
If McCabe said "Ok then, I'll spend £1m if the fans match it pound for pound". Using a nice round 20k average gate, would mean each attending spectator chucking £50 in a bucket on entry to the next game. Would the 24 big spenders be up for that?

Thought not.....

 

[nopigfansintown]

I'd say these things to the fans (especially the 24 silly twats who said >£2m).

We owe McCabe/His family/His trusts/Scarborough nearly £60m.
It's really easy to spend someone else's money
If McCabe said "Ok then, I'll spend £1m if the fans match it pound for pound". Using a nice round 20k average gate, would mean each attending spectator chucking £50 in a bucket on entry to the next game. Would the 24 big spenders be up for that?

Thought not.....

Well, I was an advocate of no 10% season ticket discount, so yes. I'm a McCabe fan btw.

 

[DSJ Blade]

If I guess it correctly can Snowman give me the value in beer?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

We need somebody who can play as both a defensive midfielder or a centre-half effectively because currently we have nobody who can perform that role.

Chris Basham is the best in Europe at doing this.

 

[8lade]

Sorry if this has been covered I just read the first dozen or so posts with people speculating what we needed but didn't anybody else hear the Wilder interview where he said, we need a midfielder, a wide man and one other ?

 

[Tezza1889]

We need to take a player, like bogle, up with us because we can't lose money on him he will give us something different and if we go up, he will increase in value..

I genuinely think whatever we pay will be peanuts once he proves himself with us.

No risk... get him asap..

Or, Ched Evans.....dah dahhh dahhhhhh, ( likein an old horror film)

 

[South Bucks]

I'd say these things to the fans (especially the 24 silly twats who said >£2m).

We owe McCabe/His family/His trusts/Scarborough nearly £60m.
It's really easy to spend someone else's money
If McCabe said "Ok then, I'll spend £1m if the fans match it pound for pound". Using a nice round 20k average gate, would mean each attending spectator chucking £50 in a bucket on entry to the next game. Would the 24 big spenders be up for that?

Thought not.....

Maybe its before McCabe's time but we had a "lets all chip in and make the club better" for a few years which I and others paid into. It was called blades revival but where did that get us and who trousered it. Always made me uncomfortable that the club was happy to take a few quid from folk, many on minimum wage, but what happened to it all. Who can anyone trust after that.

 

[Grizzly blade]

We need somebody who can play as both a defensive midfielder or a centre-half effectively because currently we have nobody who can perform that role.

Wilder doesn't believe in that type of player.
We need players to push on and get us out of this division firstof all. We currently arguably have enough already but a couple or three to improve the first team more would do nicely.

For me, we lack pace up front and along with it the ability to worry defenders when the ball is played forwards to Sharp and Done.
A real wide player to take some of the creative pressures off Duffy, along with a replacement for Done who can add the ability to create a goal for himself and finish to a workrate like Done has. Sharp when in scoring form can't be replaced, but someone to keep him on his toes would also help him.

A winger means a change In Formation however, so perhaps better wing backs that have a better crossing ability would do the trick. So if we are to stick to the current formation I would want a new right wing back, and a new striker.
I think the back three options are enough assuming we keep EEL til may. We have 5 players for the 3 positions.

 

[Boxer Blade]

Wilder doesn't believe in that type of player.
We need players to push on and get us out of this division firstof all. We currently arguably have enough already but a couple or three to improve the first team more would do nicely.

For me, we lack pace up front and along with it the ability to worry defenders when the ball is played forwards to Sharp and Done.
A real wide player to take some of the creative pressures off Duffy, along with a replacement for Done who can add the ability to create a goal for himself and finish to a workrate like Done has. Sharp when in scoring form can't be replaced, but someone to keep him on his toes would also help him.

A winger means a change In Formation however, so perhaps better wing backs that have a better crossing ability would do the trick. So if we are to stick to the current formation I would want a new right wing back, and a new striker.
I think the back three options are enough assuming we keep EEL til may. We have 5 players for the 3 positions.

But the winger is a replacement for Chapman, somebody to come on a d change things, why does this mean a change in formation? Like for like as far as I am concerned

 

[HillmortonBlade]

Or, Ched Evans.....dah dahhh dahhhhhh, ( likein an old horror film)

Now there's an idea, I'm surprised no one has mentioned it...

 

[Grizzly blade]

But the winger is a replacement for Chapman, somebody to come on a d change things, why does this mean a change in formation? Like for like as far as I am concerned

I didn't see Chapman used much as a winger, more a striker/free player.

I have seen us line up 4-4-2 when changing things about, but never really seen it work that well. We have ended up with scougall, Done, Fleck and Duffy in wide areas, and IMHO it doesn't suit any of them to get their best from them.
My point is, to get players to improve our current team. I think 3-5-2/5-3-2 suits us best, both defensively and in midfield. Bringing in a winger would see a change at the back and mean Fleck/Coutts/Duffy would effectively be after 2 places in midfield.
So if we go down the winger route, it means putting Freeman into full time full back with Lafferty and dropping one of the middle 3. It's a lot of changes to accommodate a winger, when we could just get a better wing back.

 

[JJBlade]

A serious club always looks for improvements regardless of how well the team is performing

Managers/Scouts see the improvements
Go to the board for money
Best player gets sold
Team does worse
Manager gets sacked
Manager gets paid off
New manager comes in
Asks for money
Gets a fraction of what he asks for
Team plays crap
Manager gets sacked
Manager gets paid off
New manager comes in. Etc.... Etc.... Etc....

If the boardroom hasn't learned anything over the last few years they never will

 

[Bladesway]

Spend 5Million and lets have a big party now

You sound like proper Brexit!

 

[Ricky]

As far as strengthening the starting 11 in wide areas goes, it has to be a wing back. Not necessarily a specialist wing back, maybe a winger who can play there. Elliott Bennett or Tendayi Darikwa for example, who we could try to get on loan.

Even if we did sign a winger and looked to change the formation... who plays on the other side? Maybe Duffy in a 4-4-2 (why on earth would we move him)? But who in the more likely 4-2-3-1?

Signing an out and out winger wouldn't bring about a change in formation. It would probably be someone to bring off the bench, and ideally someone who can also play in the number 10 area to cover Duffy.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I know these threads tend to live in a vacuum from the real world, but are people honestly saying that the board should seriously be spending over £2 million in January when we lose money at a similar level year on year?
I'm assuming the line that will be trotted out is that they should just stump this cash up, on top of covering our losses, if they're fans. I think that is nonsense, illadvised and unfair, the club need to build on what has made us strong this season and that doesn't need massive investment at this stage, at this level.

My view is that we should spend within our means, which is likely to be under the 500k range, and get up with this squad due to good team spirit and management. We are on target for that, why spend beyond our means?

 

[JJBlade]

Brayford could be the wing back some keep talking about and he's already our player

 

[Boxer Blade]

I know these threads tend to live in a vacuum from the real world, but are people honestly saying that the board should seriously be spending over £2 million in January when we lose money at a similar level year on year?
I'm assuming the line that will be trotted out is that they should just stump this cash up, on top of covering our losses, if they're fans. I think that is nonsense, illadvised and unfair, the club need to build on what has made us strong this season and that doesn't need massive investment at this stage, at this level.

My view is that we should spend within our means, which is likely to be under the 500k range, and get up with this squad due to good team spirit and management. We are on target for that, why spend beyond our means?

If we have to live/spend within our means as you say then how do we spend around the 500k mark? Not saying you are wrong but you say live within our means then that says we should not be bringing anybody in and should be selling due to our losses this year.