Perry Keith Smith

[Silent Blade]

They do weddings at their other school at Greenham Common - Mrs Newbury Blade (who is in fact a Liverpool fan) and I got married there. Have met staff from both schools and they are lovely. Hardly "posh boarding schools" either, although we do have plenty of them round here.

Mill Hall school relocated from Haywards Heath in Sussex to Greenham Common in 1996.
Greenham Common was always in the news during the 1970s but I have never been there.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Does anyone know this dickhead who has been banned from football for three years for his part in the Grimsby hooliganism ! Should be banned for life !

I think you express what many of us feel about this kind of behaviour - however - I wouldn't assume that everyone on here will agree with you.

 

[Old Skool]

Not sure who your comment is aimed at cerebrus but for my part I find it tiring that people should so easily rush to judge the actions of others. Were you there when the incident took place? Indeed were any of the folks venting their moral indignation actually present? I suspect not and that is where I am uncomfortable. They say history is written by the victorious and so........maybe..just maybe... What is presented in the media is a narrative that reflects and reinforces the outcome and may not actually be a true representation of the facts.

 

[Grizzly blade]

Not sure who your comment is aimed at cerebrus but for my part I find it tiring that people should so easily rush to judge the actions of others. Were you there when the incident took place? Indeed were any of the folks venting their moral indignation actually present? I suspect not and that is where I am uncomfortable. They say history is written by the victorious and so........maybe..just maybe... What is presented in the media is a narrative that reflects and reinforces the outcome and may not actually be a true representation of the facts.

What facts would you like reporting.

Here's one.....there was sufficient evidence for this individual to be charged with an offence under CPS guidelines.
Those guidelines are such that for the majority of offences which will be heard in a Magistrates court the test is that a conviction is highly likely with the evidence presented.

Another fact...this clown has been identified by either witness evidence, but more likely video. And if it's on video the old saying about a picture speaking a thousand words is relevant. So rather than saying he may have only pleaded guilty because he couldn't get legal aid....how about the evidence was damning and he opted to plead for the lower punishment?

Here's another fact. Plenty of people went to that game and saw no trouble. They went to the game and came home. This guy chose to get involved in violence. No matter what the circumstances he could have walked away like the majority did, but he chose to be the hard man.
So nobody taking the moral high ground here, he decided to be a thug, he got caught, and I for one am glad. No need for it whether Blade, Pig, cod head or whoever. Th days of knuckledragging morons puffing out their chests and parading about should be consigned to the past.

 

[Old Skool]

Well argued grizzly. I cannot and do not dispute that the individual may have been guilty. Where have I said they weren't? What I do maintain is that none of us have seen the evidence presented.... No-one has put their hand up and said I was there.. I saw what happened.And, no-one can deny that when it comes to the veracity of police statements.....Well let's just say they have form...particularly where football is concerned. OK???

 

[Grecian2000]

Another fact...this clown has been identified by either witness evidence, but more likely video.

So he's responsible for this outburst of Clown bollocks as well is he? Add a Life sentence for that on top . . . . .

 

[Grizzly blade]

Well argued grizzly. I cannot and do not dispute that the individual may have been guilty. Where have I said they weren't? What I do maintain is that none of us have seen the evidence presented.... No-one has put their hand up and said I was there.. I saw what happened.And, no-one can deny that when it comes to the veracity of police statements.....Well let's just say they have form...particularly where football is concerned. OK???

Actually no....in relation to the SYP hierarchy handling of the Hillsborough events then yes, evidence of opinion was removed from the statements of police officers on the ground. Nothing was added, words not changed but any points where officers were seen to criticise the commanders on the day was edited out. It could be argued that this may well be correct, as statements are supposed to be facts...NOT opinion. In fact This is done on a routine basis in all cases, often in discussions with defence and prosecution lawyers. It certainly does NOT point as fact that police officers statements then or now will be lies as you are suggesting.

in fact it is a little ironic that you can cast aspersions on the integrity of the few officers at the game in Cleethorpes due to the actions of a few senior police officers over 25 years ago while raising the point you have about this "poor chap" being given a hard time about being found guilty of football related violence.

I do know quite a few who were there, both from Grimsby as well as Sheffield. I also know very well a few of the coppers who were having running battles with fans of both sides. And being honest i was actually quite ashamed when one of them referred to fans of my club as Scum! But after hearing how 3-4 young blades were seen jumping up and down on the head of a Grimsby fan I can understand their opinion.
I hope every single one of these morons is identified, put before the court and given their punishment.

 

[Isar]

Actually no....in relation to the SYP hierarchy handling of the Hillsborough events then yes, evidence of opinion was removed from the statements of police officers on the ground. Nothing was added, words not changed but any points where officers were seen to criticise the commanders on the day was edited out. It could be argued that this may well be correct, as statements are supposed to be facts...NOT opinion. In fact This is done on a routine basis in all cases, often in discussions with defence and prosecution lawyers. It certainly does NOT point as fact that police officers statements then or now will be lies as you are suggesting.

in fact it is a little ironic that you can cast aspersions on the integrity of the few officers at the game in Cleethorpes due to the actions of a few senior police officers over 25 years ago while raising the point you have about this "poor chap" being given a hard time about being found guilty of football related violence.

I do know quite a few who were there, both from Grimsby as well as Sheffield. I also know very well a few of the coppers who were having running battles with fans of both sides. And being honest i was actually quite ashamed when one of them referred to fans of my club as Scum! But after hearing how 3-4 young blades were seen jumping up and down on the head of a Grimsby fan I can understand their opinion.
I hope every single one of these morons is identified, put before the court and given their punishment.

I would also like to point out on some occasions that police have deliberately provoked football fans to get a reaction, I have personally witnessed on several occasions police abuse their status to incite trouble. West Midlands police are a disgrace, also witnessed a female officer call a young kid a black B**** at a football game. I have seen many police officers act worst than scum, because they did these things while being paid to protect and up hold the law.
When football fans are concerned I would never take a police statement on face value, I am not that naive. Again a few bad apples.

 

[Old Skool]

Glad that's cleared that up.... For the record everyone.... Police officers categorically have not and have never colluded conspired or sought in any way to present a consistent recollection of events in an attempt to secure a conviction because grizzly says so.... Phew....my faith has now been restored. Thanks GRIZZZLY!

 

[Grizzly blade]

Glad that's cleared that up.... For the record everyone.... Police officers categorically have not and have never colluded conspired or sought in any way to present a consistent recollection of events in an attempt to secure a conviction because grizzly says so.... Phew....my faith has now been restored. Thanks GRIZZZLY!

Did I say that? How's this?
All football fans are moronic thugs.
All football players are Nancy boys, diving around feigning injury.
All police officers are corrupt conspirators
All black people are criminals
All white people are racist

Just some examples of sweeping statements based by a few clouding the opinion of people from their personal experiences.
My actual opinion is this....replace "All"....with the word "Some" whereas you appear to be a person who tends to make sweeping statements like this above.

Fact is this. This bloke was found guilty in court after he pleaded guilty. Nothing untoward, nothing suspicious about it he is a thug. Plain and simple. No need to put into question the integrity of police, witnesses and the courts.

 

[coolhandluke]

Did I say that? How's this?
All football fans are moronic thugs.
All football players are Nancy boys, diving around feigning injury.
All police officers are corrupt conspirators
All black people are criminals
All white people are racist

Just some examples of sweeping statements based by a few clouding the opinion of people from their personal experiences.
My actual opinion is this....replace "All"....with the word "Some" whereas you appear to be a person who tends to make sweeping statements like this above.

Fact is this. This bloke was found guilty in court after he pleaded guilty. Nothing untoward, nothing suspicious about it he is a thug. Plain and simple. No need to put into question the integrity of police, witnesses and the courts.

Grizzly . Your passionate defence of SYP is clear for all to see . But you are essentially defending the indefensible .

South Yorkshire Police are the worst force in the history of British Policing .

I understand your effort to defend the reputation of " some " of the reputable officers who undoubtedly police South Yorkshire but your defence of the organisation as a whole isn't just misguided , its wrong plain and simple .

Furthermore , if you believe that every officer attending court and giving evidence is above reproachment then you are dangerously wrong . Police lie in court and it's been demonstrated numerous times that they do .

SYP are fucked as an organisation that the public know they can depend upon . The last thing we all need now , the public and the reputable officers in the force , is people who are prepared to turn a blind eye to what's happening on a daily basis within the organisation supposably serving us with " justice and courage " sic .

 

[Snowman]

Glad that's cleared that up.... For the record everyone.... Police officers categorically have not and have never colluded conspired or sought in any way to present a consistent recollection of events in an attempt to secure a conviction because grizzly says so.... Phew....my faith has now been restored. Thanks GRIZZZLY!

And each and every defendant has never ever lied when questioned under oath or otherwise and nor has he or they ever persuaded a "witness" to lie for them with the intent of avoiding a justifiable conviction. Reality please?

 

[coolhandluke]

And each and every defendant has never ever lied when questioned under oath or otherwise and nor has he or they ever persuaded a "witness" to lie for them with the intent of avoiding a justifiable conviction. Reality please?

That works both ways . That's the reality .

 

[Snowman]

That works both ways . That's the reality .

Indeed it is. Regrettably. But at least not every time.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Not sure who your comment is aimed at cerebrus but for my part I find it tiring that people should so easily rush to judge the actions of others. Were you there when the incident took place? Indeed were any of the folks venting their moral indignation actually present? I suspect not and that is where I am uncomfortable. They say history is written by the victorious and so........maybe..just maybe... What is presented in the media is a narrative that reflects and reinforces the outcome and may not actually be a true representation of the facts.

Don't disagree with that entirely. From what I heard - and no I wasn't there- there was provocation on both sides.

This guy got caught and is being made an example of. If someone had provoked me then I could easily have been in the same situation I suppose.

I know nothing of this lad or the circumstances so I'm not judging him but obviously someone else has.

What I do know though is that all clubs, including us, have a set of Neanderthal morons that follow them around and act particularly bad at away matches. Like it's an invasion or something. I think they deserve all they get. About time they grew up a bit!

 

[Grizzly blade]

Grizzly . Your passionate defence of SYP is clear for all to see . But you are essentially defending the indefensible .

South Yorkshire Police are the worst force in the history of British Policing .

I understand your effort to defend the reputation of " some " of the reputable officers who undoubtedly police South Yorkshire but your defence of the organisation as a whole isn't just misguided , its wrong plain and simple .

Furthermore , if you believe that every officer attending court and giving evidence is above reproachment then you are dangerously wrong . Police lie in court and it's been demonstrated numerous times that they do .

SYP are fucked as an organisation that the public know they can depend upon . The last thing we all need now , the public and the reputable officers in the force , is people who are prepared to turn a blind eye to what's happening on a daily basis within the organisation supposably serving us with " justice and courage " sic .

I am not making any defence of SYP the organisation. The reputation of the force has been destroyed for many reasons. However, this has been done not by the rank and file....those who are here being tarred as a whole as corrupt etc....but the reputation of SYP has been ruined by those at the top who oversaw and directed the rank and file. Not to mention the help of other men with a lot to lose in the case of Hillsborough.

I don't believe every officer is infallible, and at no point said that. I have stated that it is unfair to label ALL due to the actions of a few. And this can apply in every walk of life. There are bad bank managers...bad nurses and doctors...and bad police officers. I certainly don't believe there are all whiter than white...I'm not a fucking idiot.

What people fail to accept is that the vast majority of those you and I come into contact with are decent people who do actually want to do a good job. However, their ability to do that is hampered by government, councillors and those in rank hell bent on making their next promotion and more concerned about their own career than what is best for policing.
And as for the last comment....I certainly wouldn't ever say members of SYP never act without courage. That is grossly inaccurate, as evidenced by the dreadful injuries received by some of their officers only very recently.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Scouseblade got treated disgracefully and fitted up by the pigs at Tranmere.
He`s the mildest man I know.
Pigs at football matches are generally scummy bastards who treat fans as sub human shit.
On a different point I`ve never looked for any trouble whatsoever at a match in 45 years.
I won`t take shit from another fan though.
People who pontificate about knuckle dragging fans tend to be self righteous wankers who talk bollocks in their middle class social circles.

 

[coolhandluke]

I am not making any defence of SYP the organisation. The reputation of the force has been destroyed for many reasons. However, this has been done not by the rank and file....those who are here being tarred as a whole as corrupt etc....but the reputation of SYP has been ruined by those at the top who oversaw and directed the rank and file. Not to mention the help of other men with a lot to lose in the case of Hillsborough.

I don't believe every officer is infallible, and at no point said that. I have stated that it is unfair to label ALL due to the actions of a few. And this can apply in every walk of life. There are bad bank managers...bad nurses and doctors...and bad police officers. I certainly don't believe there are all whiter than white...I'm not a fucking idiot.

What people fail to accept is that the vast majority of those you and I come into contact with are decent people who do actually want to do a good job. However, their ability to do that is hampered by government, councillors and those in rank hell bent on making their next promotion and more concerned about their own career than what is best for policing.
And as for the last comment....I certainly wouldn't ever say members of SYP never act without courage. That is grossly inaccurate, as evidenced by the dreadful injuries received by some of their officers only very recently.

Justice with courage ????

Did the dedicated good honest and reliable rank and file who participated in their hundreds in lying during the miners strike or at Hillsborough serve with Justice and courage ? Why did we only see these courageous individuals after their lies deceit and tacit participation had been revealed for all to see ?

Where was the concept of justice served with courage when the same rank and file knowingly turned a blind eye to the sexual abuse of hundreds of children in Rotherham ? Quite how any one can ever turn a blind eye to the sexual abuse of children is simply beyond my imagination .

SYP's motto of " justice with courage " needs changing .

" Justice with Courage : unless our pensions are in jeopardy " would be far more apt don't you think ?

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Not sure who your comment is aimed at cerebrus but for my part I find it tiring that people should so easily rush to judge the actions of others. Were you there when the incident took place? Indeed were any of the folks venting their moral indignation actually present? I suspect not and that is where I am uncomfortable. They say history is written by the victorious and so........maybe..just maybe... What is presented in the media is a narrative that reflects and reinforces the outcome and may not actually be a true representation of the facts.

http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/s...by-town-game/story-29798995-detail/story.html

<< SHEFFIELD United fan assaulted a fellow supporter inside Blundell Park stadium when his side took part in a friendly with Grimsby Town FC.

Perry Smith received a three-year football banning order at Grimsby Magistrates' Court after District Judge Joanne Hirst heard of his previous football-related violence."

Mr Woodward said: "He was under the influence of drink, unsteady on his feet, with slurred speech and being aggressive towards other Sheffield United fans."

He said officers saw his clenched fist land on the left side of his victim's jaw

"His previous convictions included being drunk and disorderly and abusive towards a rival football fan in Sheffield in 2015 and in May this year he was arrested for assault against a Barnsley fan in the centre of Sheffield. >>


I think you're flogging a dead horse in this particular case.
Unless you think the Grimsby Telegraph are misrepresenting the facts and his other two recent convictions for football violence were also miscarriages of justice.

 

[Rodley]

Bottom line is we're all saddos on the internet, taking the piss anonymously on the internet. There are no winners here.

 

[Grizzly blade]

Justice with courage ????

Did the dedicated good honest and reliable rank and file who participated in their hundreds in lying during the miners strike or at Hillsborough serve with Justice and courage ? Why did we only see these courageous individuals after their lies deceit and tacit participation had been revealed for all to see ?

Where was the concept of justice served with courage when the same rank and file knowingly turned a blind eye to the sexual abuse of hundreds of children in Rotherham ? Quite how any one can ever turn a blind eye to the sexual abuse of children is simply beyond my imagination .

SYP's motto of " justice with courage " needs changing .

" Justice with Courage : unless our pensions are in jeopardy " would be far more apt don't you think ?

So you have a personal issue with the police due to the miners strike....when it is safe to say There maybe a handful of those who attended those strikes who are still cops. And are you saying NONE of those on the other side were guilty of criminal behaviour? This was over 30 years ago.
Rotherham.....child abuse cases where concerns of officers on the ground were ignored.....by social services, and controlled for a large part by an MP working no doubt in cahoots with other senior police officers and other officials!! Again, that's not to say they could have done more, and should have done, but I would advise that these issues are coming to light not just here, but in forces all over the land. Difference is that SYP is on the radar of government to justify emalgamating yorkshire forces into one....it will be the experiment for their sweeping cuts programme. Neighbours at Humberside being deemed inadequate....all to be closed down and reinvented as one Yorkshire force.


If we are to continue to remember all the misdemeanours of police over decades, are we to extend the same to the armed forces? Plenty of evidence regards soldiers actions in Northern Ireland....or how about India? Or perhaps Africa?

 

[Old Skool]

Can I just clear a couple of small items up on this and I shall say no more on the matter. First of all....I have never questioned the integrity of all serving police officers - what I have said is that in some cases - what has been presented as evidence by them has subsequently been proven to be false. This is fact. You all have Internet search engines....go type police officers sacked/suspended Sheffield or submit a freedom of information request - it's in the public domain. Secondly I have not defended the convicted person or their actions. I have simply chosen not to rush to demonise based on what has been reported in the press and without witnessing the incident . Thirdly I accept that it is quid pro quo on the submission of evidence and as a result prosecution and defence often present a version of events that may differ and not for reasons solely of interpretation!! And finally... I appreciate we all wish to passionately defend our respective positions and that is right and proper. Argue forcibly....argue passionately and with conviction but do not resort to personal attack or insinuation - otherwise there'll be a right tear-up!!! ;-)

 

[coolhandluke]

So you have a personal issue with the police due to the miners strike....when it is safe to say There maybe a handful of those who attended those strikes who are still cops. And are you saying NONE of those on the other side were guilty of criminal behaviour? This was over 30 years ago.
Rotherham.....child abuse cases where concerns of officers on the ground were ignored.....by social services, and controlled for a large part by an MP working no doubt in cahoots with other senior police officers and other officials!! Again, that's not to say they could have done more, and should have done, but I would advise that these issues are coming to light not just here, but in forces all over the land. Difference is that SYP is on the radar of government to justify emalgamating yorkshire forces into one....it will be the experiment for their sweeping cuts programme. Neighbours at Humberside being deemed inadequate....all to be closed down and reinvented as one Yorkshire force.


If we are to continue to remember all the misdemeanours of police over decades, are we to extend the same to the armed forces? Plenty of evidence regards soldiers actions in Northern Ireland....or how about India? Or perhaps Africa?

Grizzly , I admire your passionate defence of SYP , I think you are wrong but , nevertheless .....

I'll leave things at that as it's not really a debate for a Blades related forum .

 

[Old Skool]

The politicisation of the police force in the 1980's..... Now THATwould be something worth discussing...... But not as Coolhand rightly says.....on this forum or using social media.