Bury Fans View On Reece Brown

[Esablade]

...up to Wilder and Knill to get the lad playing consistently better than he has been...like they've done with some of the players already here.

Welcome aboard Brown, you've got a great chance to earn a decent contract here.

 

[sheffielder]

Hopefully Wilder can do something with him. The only knock I have on it is his age of 24, so he is another overage player in the u23's so his inclusion for one of those games would be to the detriment of someone else in the squad.

 

[BrayfordsBushyBeard]

My mate is a Coventry City season ticket holder and reckons he is shit ! Not an in depth scouting report I know , but he also said Hussey was shit ! Don't know if both are true but a bit worrying non the less when he is watching a bottom of league 1 side !! Looking forward to today !!!!! 2-1 to the red and white wizaaaaaaaards . As ever UTB!

 

[Champagneblade]

Well Whiteman is a midfielder and he's a defender for a start.

But he's not just a midfielder is he? He's also played centre half before and he's also played wing back before. Brown has played right back, centre half and in defensive midfield before. They are capable of occupying similar spots. Not dissimilar to Basham though they may each be slightly more comfortable in one position. Either way, as Freeman is a shoe in, it's only in emergency situation or injury.

Was it such a daft idea to suggest midfielder Phil Jagielka, another versatile player, be moved from central midfield to right back and for him them to carve his international and Premier League career? I'd hope not, because it was me who wrote to Warnock suggesting it! We won away at Wolves and he stayed there all season. Warnock wrote back initially saying he'd try him there and blame me if he was a failure. After the game he mentioned in the press a London based Blades fan had suggested it and he'd had a blinder

Maybe midfielder Ben Whiteman can find his way into the XI in a different position?

 

[coaxingstar71]

Seems sensible to have player who can cover a number of positions although he sounds like a weaker version of McGahey who I thought we should have kept on.

 

[Rodley]

But he's not just a midfielder is he? He's also played centre half before and he's also played wing back before. Brown has played right back, centre half and in defensive midfield before. They are capable of occupying similar spots. Not dissimilar to Basham though they may each be slightly more comfortable in one position. Either way, as Freeman is a shoe in, it's only in emergency situation or injury.

Was it such a daft idea to suggest midfielder Phil Jagielka, another versatile player, be moved from central midfield to right back and for him them to carve his international and Premier League career? I'd hope not, because it was me who wrote to Warnock suggesting it! We won away at Wolves and he stayed there all season. Warnock wrote back initially saying he'd try him there and blame me if he was a failure. After the game he mentioned in the press a London based Blades fan had suggested it and he'd had a blinder

Maybe midfielder Ben Whiteman can find his way into the XI in a different position?

Whiteman is a centre mid. It's like saying Coutts is capable of playing right back.

 

[Chali 2na]

I suppose it's a lose-lose if Freeman gets injured and Brown ends up being shit. With the U23s doing so well, what's wrong with promoting one of those as cover ??

Which U23 right back did you have in mind if Freeman got injured?

I tend to agree this is win win but with one negative comment.

Clearly Freeman is undisputed right back or right wing back. Wilder doesn't want to move Basham if Freeman drops a bottle of milk on his foot the morning of the game. I'm comfortable with this.

My one negative - what does he bring that Ben Whiteman doesn't?

While Ben Whiteman could cover defensively, let's not forget that the lad has made only a handful of appearances, all in midfield.
I would prefer someone with more experience (who's at least played some games at RB - like Brown) as apposed to an untested kid, if we're serious about going up.

 

[Rodley]

Which U23 right back did you have in mind if Freeman got injured?



While Ben Whiteman could cover defensively, let's not forget that the lad has made only a handful of appearances, all in midfield.
I would prefer someone with more experience (who's at least played some games at RB - like Brown) as apposed to an untested kid, if we're serious about going up.

Done played left back last year. With Brown coming in as defensive cover, where does that leave him?!

 

[Rudders]

Was it such a daft idea to suggest midfielder Phil Jagielka, another versatile player, be moved from central midfield to right back and for him them to carve his international and Premier League career? I'd hope not, because it was me who wrote to Warnock suggesting it! We won away at Wolves and he stayed there all season. Warnock wrote back initially saying he'd try him there and blame me if he was a failure. After the game he mentioned in the press a London based Blades fan had suggested it and he'd had a blinder

It didn't end well though did it - Jagielka at right back? Thinking the Wigan game. Didn't Warnock used to move him round the team to man mark such luminaries as James Scowcroft.
At his weakest (and most irritating) times Warnock used to play at least 1 player out of position. In some games he was up to about 5-6 players out of their favoured positions. Clough also used to do it and on a few occasions had a back 4 entirely made up of full backs. It doesn't work - particularly as you go down the divisions, the players get less skillful and to my mind less skillfully versatile in their less favoured positions.
I think you are asking a lot for a reasonably nesh young midfielder who hasn't yet nailed down first team football in Tier 3 to play out of position at full back which is a key position for us...
I actually like Wilders approach of 2 specialists for every position. Didn't Adkins say that that was the secret of his success at Soouthampton (that and spending loads of money and having a brilliant load of youth players! )

 

[Large Mendonca]

Which U23 right back did you have in mind if Freeman got injured?



While Ben Whiteman could cover defensively, let's not forget that the lad has made only a handful of appearances, all in midfield.
I would prefer someone with more experience (who's at least played some games at RB - like Brown) as apposed to an untested kid, if we're serious about going up.

There's that trialist we have there who's playing really well, and helped us to 2 impressive away victories this last few weeks...........

 

[Champagneblade]

It didn't end well though did it - Jagielka at right back? Thinking the Wigan game. Didn't Warnock used to move him round the team to man mark such luminaries as James Scowcroft.
At his weakest (and most irritating) times Warnock used to play at least 1 player out of position. In some games he was up to about 5-6 players out of their favoured positions. Clough also used to do it and on a few occasions had a back 4 entirely made up of full backs. It doesn't work - particularly as you go down the divisions, the players get less skillful and to my mind less skillfully versatile in their less favoured positions.
I think you are asking a lot for a reasonably nesh young midfielder who hasn't yet nailed down first team football in Tier 3 to play out of position at full back which is a key position for us...
I actually like Wilders approach of 2 specialists for every position. Didn't Adkins say that that was the secret of his success at Soouthampton (that and spending loads of money and having a brilliant load of youth players! )

I also like Wilder's thorough 2 for each role approach.

Jagielka ended up being an international defender having been an above average Championship midfielder. I don't think one handball undermines his career projection although it did have a pretty big impact for our trajectory, He moved him to mark Kilbane which, given he'd settled at centre back by that time, and that Heskey tore us a new one this was a bizarre decision even by Warnock's standards.

Which U23 right back did you have in mind if Freeman got injured?



While Ben Whiteman could cover defensively, let's not forget that the lad has made only a handful of appearances, all in midfield.
I would prefer someone with more experience (who's at least played some games at RB - like Brown) as apposed to an untested kid, if we're serious about going up.

I agree the answer to what he brings is experience but according to Bury fans, his contributions are mixed I.e. Having played senior Football, but poorly at times, I'm not sure how much solace to take from that. Whiteman is primarily a midfielder but he has played in Defence for the youth, reserve and in the odd pre-season game and a competitive senior game, it's not like asking Sharp to go in goal; he's not unfamiliar with the role is my point and he's not going to be asked to fill in often. You could also switch the argument and say ok he could deputise for Basham in midfield while Basham switches to right back.

As per my original comment, my reservation is that I don't want Whiteman to be cut out of the picture given the positive impression his limited appearances had last year.

Overall I see the signing as win win if Freeman is out for a full game. I'd rather Whiteman be in the XVIII instead of him on a regular match day though. We're more discussing my caveat concern than overall view. Until Jan is about as low risk as you can get. It's basically the 2016/17 version of a three month loan in all but name

Edit: on Done, I do recall tweeting Adkins that he could be an option at LWB. It didn't do Done many favours and he's a far better forward than wing back but at the time Adkins' recruitment was so poor he had so few options - Harris (the ideal LWB) was on loan, Kieron Wallace was injured, Freeman (though right footed, could probably have made a fist of it) was on loan and Woolford was just plain shit. 3-5-2 was the right option but immediately after Murphy was sold, not part way through when he'd loaned out all the viable options to make it work!

 

[LoughboroBlade]

But he's not just a midfielder is he? He's also played centre half before and he's also played wing back before

He was switched to wing-back at Southend because Basham was moved from there to defence as I recall – Whiteman looked lost there. Granted it's now a different mentality and style with the new manager, but I personally think he's better suited to midfield from what I've seen of him.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Wilder is our modern day version of Harry Bassett. Harry had a knack of turning no hopers into very good players, Wilder I believe will do the same. Remember it well when we signed Sir Bob Booker, apparently a clogger that couldn't hack it out of the lower leagues - the rest is history.

 

[sitwell]

My mate is a Coventry City season ticket holder and reckons he is shit ! Not an in depth scouting report I know , but he also said Hussey was shit ! Don't know if both are true but a bit worrying non the less when he is watching a bottom of league 1 side !! Looking forward to today !!!!! 2-1 to the red and white wizaaaaaaaards . As ever UTB!

So we have decided on Hussey after 3 games ,when all his colleagues also played shit. Nowt like giving a bloke a chance is there

 

[Teddy]

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So we have decided on Hussey after 3 games ,when all his colleagues also played shit. Nowt like giving a bloke a chance is there

in fairness, he does say he doesn't know whether his mate is right or not...

 

[LoughboroBlade]

So we have decided on Hussey after 3 games

In fairness, Wilder did. That's why he's found himself out of the team. Had Wilder had confidence in him, he wouldn't have felt it necessary to sign Lafferty.

 

[sitwell]

In fairness, Wilder did. That's why he's found himself out of the team. Had Wilder had confidence in him, he wouldn't have felt it necessary to sign Lafferty.

Theres still time for Hussey to come good ,I think he will especially if we play 3-5-2.

 

[Rusty Blade]

But he's not just a midfielder is he? He's also played centre half before and he's also played wing back before. Brown has played right back, centre half and in defensive midfield before. They are capable of occupying similar spots. Not dissimilar to Basham though they may each be slightly more comfortable in one position. Either way, as Freeman is a shoe in, it's only in emergency situation or injury.

Was it such a daft idea to suggest midfielder Phil Jagielka, another versatile player, be moved from central midfield to right back and for him them to carve his international and Premier League career? I'd hope not, because it was me who wrote to Warnock suggesting it! We won away at Wolves and he stayed there all season. Warnock wrote back initially saying he'd try him there and blame me if he was a failure. After the game he mentioned in the press a London based Blades fan had suggested it and he'd had a blinder

Maybe midfielder Ben Whiteman can find his way into the XI in a different position?

I agree that some players can adapt to different positions and end up better in their new position, particularly when they do this as youngsters and Jagielka is a good example. However, Adkins tried Ben Whiteman at right wing back after Brayford got injured and had to abandon it after one game, using Basham there instead. His one appearance was painful to watch. He didn't know whether to push on or stay back. Wilder is better at directing his players than Adkins was but even so I think Whiteman's main strength is picking an early pass and he'll do that better from central midfield. He's just going to have to wait until 2 of the 3 players who are ahead of him there get injured, suspended or lose form.

I don't think we have anyone in the U23s good enough to deputise at RB and the only first teamer is Basham who ideally should stay where he is. As others have said, Brown is probably as good as we are going to get until January. We can see how he gets on and either offer him a longer contract or upgrade to someone better in the transfer window.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Theres still time for Hussey to come good ,I think he will especially if we play 3-5-2.

We'll have to agree to disagree. His sluggishness might be less exposed defensively in the formation, but he hasn't gone the energy required to be a successful wing-back in my opinion. I'd be very happy to be proven wrong on that though.

 

[Bladesman]

So we have finally replaced Nick Montgomery?

 

[ThroughThinAndThinner]

So we have finally replaced Nick Montgomery?

If the only scapegoat we have is a back-up right back then I think we're doing pretty well tbh.

 

[larkymasher]

Which U23 right back did you have in mind if Freeman got injured?



While Ben Whiteman could cover defensively, let's not forget that the lad has made only a handful of appearances, all in midfield.
I would prefer someone with more experience (who's at least played some games at RB - like Brown) as apposed to an untested kid, if we're serious about going up.

As defensive cover and playing a back 3 you would put Semple on the bench as the defensive cover. If Freeman got injured EEL would move to wing back ( we are told he can cover in there) Semple is U23s captain and as CW has said, will be ready. Or Whiteman, who can play various positions.......

For me its an extra body thats not required with a shocking CV to go with it.

 

[larkymasher]

There's that trialist we have there who's playing really well, and helped us to 2 impressive away victories this last few weeks...........

Would one of those games been at Newcastle ?? He didnt play in that one. Only U23s game he has played was QPR. The other was supposed to be Coventry but he called in Poorly and missed that one.

 

[larkymasher]

But what car does he drive ? I see you put a clue in there

Never did like footballers who drive a Punto...