Scougall

[Pinchy]

I just dont think you can have someone in the team solely because they put effort in.

Basham was in danger of this but over the last few games he seems a bit more composed and confident on the ball. Im pretty sure he even completed more passes than not on saturday.

As to your first paragraph I think I'm close to top of the list in agreeing with that proposition!

As to the second I was very impressed with Basham on Saturday. He and EEL were joint second in my personal MoM competition. My worry is that he has to play right at the top of his game or even beyond in order to impress.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Yes he has a lot of energy, and occasionally takes up some good positions, he even sometimes carries the ball a fair distance. However, his end product, decision making and control is woeful and so frustrating.

On Saturday, he must have wasted 3 or 4 excellent opportunities to put the game to bed.

I just hope we don't have too many injuries, really don't think he's up to the standard we need for this season.

Am I the only one to think this?

I think you are spot on and others who think he gives something to the team are wrong.
I now have to stay out of the argument as it will make me very cross - 6 years and counting.......

UTB

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

Yes he has a lot of energy, and occasionally takes up some good positions, he even sometimes carries the ball a fair distance. However, his end product, decision making and control is woeful and so frustrating.

On Saturday, he must have wasted 3 or 4 excellent opportunities to put the game to bed.

I just hope we don't have too many injuries, really don't think he's up to the standard we need for this season.

Am I the only one to think this?

Yes I do agree. We saw the two sides of him on Sat - the good stuff i.e. getting into good positions, willingness to carry the ball, likes to get forward. But we saw what he cant do - hold off a challenge - and perhaps the most crucial - poor first touch, which you cant really learn. That's why he is a League One player.

He does have a part to play though - and can make a difference when he comes on.

 

[Tyler Durden]

You don't think that Coutts has improved? Really?!

I already said he had.

He was garbage last season, now he's bang average. That's improvement.

He still doesn't make anywhere near the same positive contribution to the team that this seasons above-mentioned scapegoat does though.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

I already said he had.

He was garbage last season, now he's bang average. That's improvement.

He still doesn't make anywhere near the same positive contribution to the team that this seasons above-mentioned scapegoat does though.

You really think Scougall has contributed more than Coutts this season???

 

[Tyler Durden]

You really think Scougall has contributed more than Coutts this season???

Yes, yes I do.

 

[sheffielder]

Anything is an improvement on what we have seen from coutts up to this season. Well done for turning it round but he needs to do more, a lot more.

 

[PokerBlade]

Do your own Scougall research.

You know, it is more likely that Scougall's true talent level is what we saw the last 2 years and not what we saw in 2014. Players have purple patches. Adrian Littlejohn scored goals in the first Premier League season, for example, and sank without trace thereafter.

Scougalls form might have been a small sample size fluke.

As for Brayford, we were keeping him because we had so few players. Then we got some in at last so could let him go as part of our cost cutting.

I generally agree, and have made exactly the same argument many times about different players. The Scougall that's been subpar is more likely to be the "real" Scougall. That said, when he first signed for us, Clough had us harassing teams and being quick on the counter, and Scougall was a very strong part of that. Since Clough's first closed season we've been playing slow, dour football, where I feel like none of his attributes have been emphasised. If we now want to put constant pressure on the ball when not in possession, and move forward quickly, perhaps he can succeed again.

If money had been on the table for him in the closed season I'd have said to take it. If there were still a loan window I wouldn't have objected. But given our approach when he's come on so far under Wilder, I think maybe he could be a useful part of this team. Let's not forget how bad Blackwell made Stephen Quinn look. He turned him into a player whose signature move became hooking the ball aimlessly over his head hoping to create a chance for Henderson to elbow someone. It didn't take much for Wilson to show that Quinn's technical ability was a cut above this level. We can look at Done too, to an extent, and see how much we've wasted him putting him out wide.

The major concern I have with Scougall is whether he'll ever be tough enough. Quinn was small like he is, but Quinn could take one challenge and go into the next one twice as hard. Scougall you always feel like one strong knock and he'll be out for a fortnight.

One of the major drawbacks of playing the way we started on Saturday is that it's very physically demanding. You're asking your players to do a lot of running when we're not in possession, and especially against teams that pass the ball well themselves, like Posh did, you're going to need to be able to bring players on capable of keeping up that intensity. Scougall is one of the few players we have that look capable of coming off the bench and giving us that.

So while I share some of the hesitation I do have a fair bit of optimism. He's one of the players that has disappointed me the most for not progressing from his early promise. He's earning himself another chance though.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Yes, yes I do.

Wow. Just wow.

 

[bartman]

Be interesting to see the stats for the game to compare.

Assists for either player...and shots on target. Bear in mind one player was on the pitch for a period we dominated too.

In that move, Sharp controlled a pass, and laid it off. The finish was good following a superb run, the run from Freeman and cross excellent too. Plus the work from the back to get the ball to Sharp in the first place. He was hardly a major player in the goal. He did his job.

You could argue so did Done and Freeman...so why the focus on Sharp by some posters ?

 

[Rodley]

You think ball control is one of Matt Done's strong points? I don't.

Scoogs was impressive on Saturday. The balance of the game shifted in our favour when he came on.

I Scoogs.

His movement off the ball is very intelligent. He tries to pass forward, plays with his head up and has a good attitude.

 

[Esablade]

I was talking to Scoogs missus the other day, she said "If he just had a couple more inches, he'd be a world beater..."

...think she was talking about the football..





























*note to pedants/beliebers, this isn't true at all, I made it up for 'comic effect' .

 

[AlienBlade]

Yes he has a lot of energy, and occasionally takes up some good positions, he even sometimes carries the ball a fair distance. However, his end product, decision making and control is woeful and so frustrating.

On Saturday, he must have wasted 3 or 4 excellent opportunities to put the game to bed.

I just hope we don't have too many injuries, really don't think he's up to the standard we need for this season.

Am I the only one to think this?

if the header hadnt said Scougall I could have said it was Billy Sharp you were describing...

runs alot...
takes up some good positions...
Questionable decision making
woeful control..
wasting several chances to score...

what is worse and more frustrating however is that Sharp is supposed to be well above this league and our main goal threat.... Scougall isnt.

 

[wizadry]

I was talking to Scoogs missus the other day, she said "If he just had a couple more inches, he'd be a world beater..."

...think she was talking about the football..





























*note to pedants/beliebers, this isn't true at all, I made it up for 'comic effect' .

I knew it had to be a joke, I mean it would be hilarious to catch you at a wacky warehouse.

 

[Esablade]

I knew it had to be a joke, I mean it would be hilarious to catch you at a wacky warehouse.

You'll never take me alive copper!

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

if the header hadnt said Scougall I could have said it was Billy Sharp you were describing...

runs alot...
takes up some good positions...
Questionable decision making
woeful control..
wasting several chances to score...

what is worse and more frustrating however is that Sharp is supposed to be well above this league and our main goal threat.... Scougall isnt.

Who's our top scorer?

 

[Jon P]

Well thought out argument Jon P. Potentially, one knock and any player could be out for weeks. According to Revolution Scougall has played over 50 games for us since 2014 so he can't have been injured that much.

 

[Jon P]

Well thought out argument Jon P. Potentially, one knock and any player could be out for weeks. According to Revolution Scougall has played over 50 games for us since 2014 so he can't have been injured that much.

he's too small. May not have been injured but he did eff all since Wembley and obviously showed nothing in training to give NA reason to pick him last season. CW soft spot for him cos he's a short arse too!

 

[itsinyerblood]

he's too small. May not have been injured but he did eff all since Wembley and obviously showed nothing in training to give NA reason to pick him last season. CW soft spot for him cos he's a short arse too!

Nothing like a considered and well reasoned assessment of a player........and that was nothing like........

 

[Grizzly blade]

he's too small. May not have been injured but he did eff all since Wembley and obviously showed nothing in training to give NA reason to pick him last season. CW soft spot for him cos he's a short arse too!

I think this ones a joke....picks player because player is short like the manager....who just happens to be taller than Scougall.
I think many on here seem to forget what Adkins was about. mainly because he didn't really have a clue. He didn't like Scogall, so sent him out on loan. He played for Clough and struggled with niggles so he never really got going second season.
Do I think he's a major player....no. But I think he has his uses, and on Saturday he did a good job for the team with his effort at closing down. Troubled the keeper, was very close on a few occasions to playing a team mate in. He looked less than his best, but I also think you rarely see the best from players if they aren't playing most of the time.
Consistent selection and tactics tends to bring the best out.

 

[Good Pinch Of Snuff]

He's certainly not the best player in the team and he himself knows that but he gives us something different and is an asset for us in this league. What he lacks in strength he gives in effort. He is playing better for us this season under Wilder

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I really don't think some of you were at the game on Saturday.

See highlights at post #3 at 1.20 and 1.28

http://www.s24su.com/forum/index.ph...rborough-match-highlights.49318/#post-1112799

Scougall was a vast improvement on Lafferty and we looked much better for it. He was involved in some good interplay, got a couple of shots off, closed down, harried and won us some freekicks, one in a dangerous position on the corner of the box. He also made a strong run down the touchline in front of the South Stand fending off the huge no.29. All this falling over claptrap, the lad is winning us freekicks like the one he won that directly led to our winning goal v Oxford - you can bet your life that Wilder sees the benefits of that even if some of our fans can't. If he wins half a dozen penalties for us, will it be just because he falls over too much?

Typical no nowt fans, there was a moment where he tried to lay off a ball into the run of Duffy (I think) it was very short but very difficult to make with the speed that Duffy was going and it just went slightly behind but extremely close and Duffy would have been through - some fans round me groaned and were saying "rubbish" - I just thought you've obviously no idea how difficult that is to do and it was just very unlucky.

Scougall is the same player that scored great goals v MK Dons and Hull in the semi, he was the bees knees then.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Scougall starts at Scunny.

Talk about fickle, probably same lot that thought Done ought to be dropped a few weeks ago.

I remember the incident you’re referring to but pretty sure it was Freeman rather than Duffy who was making the run. Personally, I think Scougall himself will be a little bit disappointed with his execution of that pass but agree that overall he did quite well and was an improvement on Lafferty.


I’m surprised nobody has commented on just how good Duffy’s ball to Sharp was in the build up to our goal.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I disagree personally I like scougall. I think he is a good player to have in the side I don't think he is a starter but I think he is a good sub. He adds energy into the side and with him running and hurrying the opposition when there tired towards the end of the match. He is skillful and can use both feet I admit he is a little light weight but he can score goals he went out on loan at fleetwood and scored a hat full of goals in a short period of time. He is a good option to have on the bench and think he will be a big part in the team this season he fits right in with wilders system. Would like to see him get a goal and then think he will find some form again.

1 goal is now a hatful?


Must be a very small hat.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Yes I do agree. We saw the two sides of him on Sat - the good stuff i.e. getting into good positions, willingness to carry the ball, likes to get forward. But we saw what he cant do - hold off a challenge - and perhaps the most crucial - poor first touch, which you cant really learn. That's why he is a League One player.

He does have a part to play though - and can make a difference when he comes on.

I thought he also showed good anticipation being the first to reach to a lot of 2nd balls allowing us to break forward. The execution of his final ball just let him down too many times.

 

[BushBlade]

1 goal is now a hatful?


Must be a very small hat.

Dutch cap?

 

[Esablade]

1 goal is now a hatful?


Must be a very small hat.

..he's got a very small head...

 

[Ricky]

That failed attempted pass to Freeman was the worst of the lot, it wasn't a hard ball to play and he would've been in behind their defence with players to cross to.

And yes it was a great ball from Duffy for the goal, surprised not much has been said about it. Sharp did well with it too. Thought at the time it was a very good goal and having watched it back, it was.

 

[coaxingstar71]

I remember the incident you’re referring to but pretty sure it was Freeman rather than Duffy who was making the run. Personally, I think Scougall himself will be a little bit disappointed with his execution of that pass but agree that overall he did quite well and was an improvement on Lafferty.


I’m surprised nobody has commented on just how good Duffy’s ball to Sharp was in the build up to our goal.

Well they wouldn't would they because they're too obsessed with saying how slow and ineffective he looks.

 

[coaxingstar71]

he's too small. May not have been injured but he did eff all since Wembley and obviously showed nothing in training to give NA reason to pick him last season. CW soft spot for him cos he's a short arse too!

The same NA that thought Dean Hammond was just what we needed to improve the team?

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Well they wouldn't would they because they're too obsessed with saying how slow and ineffective he looks.

Duffy has improved so much since he has been given a more central role. Confidence is growing and can see him becoming pivotal to our season.