Scougall

[Pinchy]

I think you have a bit of a blind spot with Scougs, 2nd touch is a tackle far too often which is a Pinchy cardinal sin I thought.

Energetic and harries really well, but on the ball and end product is far too inconsistent for me. I thought he was fairly poor on Saturday.

Yes, you've got me there.

I Scoooooogs....

 

[Bladeinleeds]

I think you have a bit of a blind spot with Scougs, 2nd touch is a tackle far too often which is a Pinchy cardinal sin I thought.

Energetic and harries really well, but on the ball and end product is far too inconsistent for me. I thought he was fairly poor on Saturday.

On form scouggs is terrific and provides what none of our other midfielders have in his energy, ball retention and drive. Still needs to push more to get in the first team.

However as stated I think if we'd watched an opponent do the same, we'd have stood back and thought he looked a player.

If he could add finishing to his skill set and score 5-10 a season he'd be one of the first names on he team sheet. Hopefully wilder has him working on this as he did ok at that in preseason

Credit too him for fighting for his place as well.

 

[Pinchy]

I was hating to say it about Sharp because I seem to be at him a lot recently.

I just don't think he is doing enough. Scougall got slated for poor decisions, yet Sharp made many poor decisions again. And I keep saying it but his lack of Pace just doesn't work for me in this system, and the way Wilder wants them ALL to work.
If Lavery or Clarke can force game time I just hope the decision on who to make way is based on what they offer in the game. And for me, Done of the two offers far more.

That is all. Whatever happens, I think this will be Billy's last season at the club.

He seems to lack a bit of energy, compared to last season. However, his goal ratio remains good and he was pivotal in the excellent build up to our goal.

He is never, ever a captain though. One of very few Tufty decisions I would question. Guess he was feeling a bit Bladey that day?...

 

[Ricky]

The change to 4-4-2 and Scougall's energy did help us on Saturday, but we would've gone 2-0 up if he showed a bit more quality and composure in the final third.

He's a good sub to have. Aside from his energy, the best thing he offers for me is his two footedness. That means he can naturally take the ball on either side and go in either direction.

 

[Revolution]

I was hating to say it about Sharp because I seem to be at him a lot recently.

I just don't think he is doing enough. Scougall got slated for poor decisions, yet Sharp made many poor decisions again. And I keep saying it but his lack of Pace just doesn't work for me in this system, and the way Wilder wants them ALL to work.
If Lavery or Clarke can force game time I just hope the decision on who to make way is based on what they offer in the game. And for me, Done of the two offers far more.

That is all. Whatever happens, I think this will be Billy's last season at the club.

Who would you put in his place? The half fit Lavery? The injured Clarke?

Every week you say he hasn't done enough. And yet every week we've won narrowly and he's scored or been involved in the goal.

 

[Revolution]

He seems to lack a bit of energy, compared to last season. However, his goal ratio remains good and he was pivotal in the excellent build up to our goal.

He is never, ever a captain though. One of very few Tufty decisions I would question. Guess he was feeling a bit Bladey that day?...

Personally, I don't think it matters who the captain is. The last time it was important was before managers were around, and the likes of Ernest Needham essentially ran the team once the committee picked it.

It's a creation of the media.

 

[Slim Man]

He's useful to have in the squad every week. Thats about the biggest compliment I can pay him.

Not much of a fan cos he can't control a football and often can't find another red and white shirt but his effort and willingness to run is worth a place on the bench at least, unless we get some better options.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Like Basham and Done, he works hard off the ball which helps us win it high up the pitch and gain territory. Like Basham and Done, he also sometimes lacks composure in the final third.

 

[Grizzly blade]

Who would you put in his place? The half fit Lavery? The injured Clarke?

Every week you say he hasn't done enough. And yet every week we've won narrowly and he's scored or been involved in the goal.

Not the half fit Lavery no....or the unfit Clarke either.
As I said, we could be better up front. We could be more of a threat, and if we are going to go up will need to improve.
We are putting right the back line....midfield is looking much better so it's only right to look at the forward line. I don't think it causes teams enough problems.

But as I said, if those two show it in training...get some game time and look like they deserve a start then for me I hope the decision is based on what players bring to the team, not whether they are club captain, if they are a blade or a favourite.
So on that basis....Dones' threat is greater than Sharp in my opinion.
If it's lack of fitness....he needs to work on it. Maybe it's just a little bit of age catching him up.

 

[Grecian2000]

Every week you say he hasn't done enough. And yet every week we've won narrowly and he's scored or been involved in the goal.

It seems to be a re-occurring theme doesn't it?
Not doing enough BUT being involved in a goal. As long as that continues AND the defence DO do enough we're up with > 100 points.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Looks like Scougall and Sharp are going to get a kicking all season no matter what they do. It's what Unitedites do best.

Let's all get a stiffy over Coutts though, just because he's gone from shit to average.

 

[Grizzly blade]

Shit to average.....whatever.

Not my fault people choose to ignore quality and prefer graft and passion. Watch the bloke closely...tell me any other player we have had in years capable of retaining the ball like him. If I could be arsed I would put together a clip of them all like Bergen does. Doesn't look like much...but a turn into space...simple first time ball...

Surely the right phrase is not shit to average.
Perhaps badly utilised to showing his quality is more apt.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Shit to average.....whatever.

Not my fault people choose to ignore quality and prefer graft and passion. Watch the bloke closely...tell me any other player we have had in years capable of retaining the ball like him. If I could be arsed I would put together a clip of them all like Bergen does. Doesn't look like much...but a turn into space...simple first time ball...

Surely the right phrase is not shit to average.
Perhaps badly utilised to showing his quality is more apt.

Think fitness levels have played a huge part. If you can`t move you`re going to be shit. His performances have improved with his mobility.

 

[bartman]

I was hating to say it about Sharp because I seem to be at him a lot recently.

yet Sharp made many poor decisions again. .

And yet his decision to win the ball, hold the ball up whilst under pressure(a skill Done struggles with) waiting for Freeman to overlap and cross for the first goal appears to have been forgotten ?

I thought Sharp and Done did well on Saturday and didn't give their back line a moments rest

 

[Revolution]

Shit to average.....whatever.

Not my fault people choose to ignore quality and prefer graft and passion. Watch the bloke closely...tell me any other player we have had in years capable of retaining the ball like him. If I could be arsed I would put together a clip of them all like Bergen does. Doesn't look like much...but a turn into space...simple first time ball...

Surely the right phrase is not shit to average.
Perhaps badly utilised to showing his quality is more apt.

Badly utilised? Really? He's not been stuck out of position like Done has, or messed about like some players. When he's been fit he's been picked, and he's done very little prior to this season.

He's only got himself to blame.

 

[coaxingstar71]

I really don't think some of you were at the game on Saturday.

See highlights at post #3 at 1.20 and 1.28

http://www.s24su.com/forum/index.ph...rborough-match-highlights.49318/#post-1112799

Scougall was a vast improvement on Lafferty and we looked much better for it. He was involved in some good interplay, got a couple of shots off, closed down, harried and won us some freekicks, one in a dangerous position on the corner of the box. He also made a strong run down the touchline in front of the South Stand fending off the huge no.29. All this falling over claptrap, the lad is winning us freekicks like the one he won that directly led to our winning goal v Oxford - you can bet your life that Wilder sees the benefits of that even if some of our fans can't. If he wins half a dozen penalties for us, will it be just because he falls over too much?

Typical no nowt fans, there was a moment where he tried to lay off a ball into the run of Duffy (I think) it was very short but very difficult to make with the speed that Duffy was going and it just went slightly behind but extremely close and Duffy would have been through - some fans round me groaned and were saying "rubbish" - I just thought you've obviously no idea how difficult that is to do and it was just very unlucky.

Scougall is the same player that scored great goals v MK Dons and Hull in the semi, he was the bees knees then.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Scougall starts at Scunny.

Talk about fickle, probably same lot that thought Done ought to be dropped a few weeks ago.

 

[Jon P]

Yes he has a lot of energy, and occasionally takes up some good positions, he even sometimes carries the ball a fair distance. However, his end product, decision making and control is woeful and so frustrating.

On Saturday, he must have wasted 3 or 4 excellent opportunities to put the game to bed.

I just hope we don't have too many injuries, really don't think he's up to the standard we need for this season.

Am I the only one to think this?

he's also far too small & lightweight for the division. One knock and he will be out again for weeks

 

[Revolution]

I really don't think some of you were at the game on Saturday.

See highlights at post #3 at 1.20 and 1.28

http://www.s24su.com/forum/index.ph...rborough-match-highlights.49318/#post-1112799

Scougall was a vast improvement on Lafferty and we looked much better for it. He was involved in some good interplay, got a couple of shots off, closed down, harried and won us some freekicks, one in a dangerous position on the corner of the box. He also made a strong run down the touchline in front of the South Stand fending off the huge no.29. All this falling over claptrap, the lad is winning us freekicks like the one he won that directly led to our winning goal v Oxford - you can bet your life that Wilder sees the benefits of that even if some of our fans can't. If he wins half a dozen penalties for us, will it be just because he falls over too much?

Typical no nowt fans, there was a moment where he tried to lay off a ball into the run of Duffy (I think) it was very short but very difficult to make with the speed that Duffy was going and it just went slightly behind but extremely close and Duffy would have been through - some fans round me groaned and were saying "rubbish" - I just thought you've obviously no idea how difficult that is to do and it was just very unlucky.

Scougall is the same player that scored great goals v MK Dons and Hull in the semi, he was the bees knees then.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Scougall starts at Scunny.

Talk about fickle, probably same lot that thought Done ought to be dropped a few weeks ago.

Scougall hasn't played well since 2014. I don't think people are being fickle. I think that they are waiting to see if this improvement (about which opinion is divided, to say the least) is merely a temporary blip or not.

And Scougall is not a wing back or a wide man. Not his position at all.

 

[JohnDenver]

I don't think Scougall is going to become the player we hoped by any means. If we go up (ha), I've no doubt he'll be let go. But we need players like him and Duffy who will always show for the ball, no matter the situation or mood of the crowd.

Can't remember who first said it, but bravery in players isn't just about going in for challenges - it's about wanting the ball when everything has been going wrong. Give me these players and all their mistakes over those who go missing. And we've had plenty of invisible men in recent years.

 

[Grizzly blade]

Badly utilised? Really? He's not been stuck out of position like Done has, or messed about like some players. When he's been fit he's been picked, and he's done very little prior to this season.

He's only got himself to blame.

My point is......in pro terms I would be a shit footballer.
Coutts has NEVER been simply shit. None of these players are simply shit. Neither was Jay Mac...or even the less than blessed Monty! Each player has their particular abilities, and it's for managers to utilise their squad to their strengths to get results. Adkins didn't have a clue how to do it. Knew one way, and that was it.

Wilder has started to show he's adaptable. And not only that is getting the best from players. Coutts has always had that ability. I saw it when he first arrived, but it was completely obvious he lacked fitness and perhaps the drive to sort it out.
When you have quality then you use it, and find a way. Wilder has done that where Adkins failed miserably by persisting with much less quality in Hammond.

These fans that say whoever is shit really are morons.

 

[Grizzly blade]

He did his bit on the goal....he made other mistakes.
Point is, Scogall is rated down for it, Sharps failings in the majority are ignored. Why is this?

 

[Revolution]

My point is......in pro terms I would be a shit footballer.
Coutts has NEVER been simply shit. None of these players are simply shit. Neither was Jay Mac...or even the less than blessed Monty! Each player has their particular abilities, and it's for managers to utilise their squad to their strengths to get results. Adkins didn't have a clue how to do it. Knew one way, and that was it.

Wilder has started to show he's adaptable. And not only that is getting the best from players. Coutts has always had that ability. I saw it when he first arrived, but it was completely obvious he lacked fitness and perhaps the drive to sort it out.
When you have quality then you use it, and find a way. Wilder has done that where Adkins failed miserably by persisting with much less quality in Hammond.

These fans that say whoever is shit really are morons.

I see what you mean, but it's a 2 way process. The manager can only do so much.

Coutts' displays the last 2 seasons do him no credit.

 

[coaxingstar71]

Scougall hasn't played well since 2014. I don't think people are being fickle. I think that they are waiting to see if this improvement (about which opinion is divided, to say the least) is merely a temporary blip or not.

And Scougall is not a wing back or a wide man. Not his position at all.

Scougall's hardly been played since 2014 and was on loan at Fleetwood last season. In my view, there was only one player who it could be said had a poor game on Saturday and that was Lafferty and he was rightly taken off at half time. Even I can understand he is a better player than what we've seen but hasn't had enough games. According to some Done was sh!te in the first few games but now he's brilliant - maybe he just needed a few games and to gel with Sharp better - do you not think? I don't understand why fans expect players to come back from not playing regularly to being world beaters immediately.

Do we really also think that Brayford suddenly became a worse player? I don't know the reasons why he went on loan (to a higher league!) whether it wages, fall out or whatever but I think it was a shame that we appear to have lost a good player.

 

[Revolution]

He did his bit on the goal....he made other mistakes.
Point is, Scogall is rated down for it, Sharps failings in the majority are ignored. Why is this?

End product.

 

[Revolution]

Scougall's hardly been played since 2014 and was on loan at Fleetwood last season. In my view, there was only one player who it could be said had a poor game on Saturday and that was Lafferty and he was rightly taken off at half time. Even I can understand he is a better player than what we've seen but hasn't had enough games. According to some Done was sh!te in the first few games but now he's brilliant - maybe he just needed a few games and to gel with Sharp better - do you not think? I don't understand why fans expect players to come back from not playing regularly to being world beaters immediately.

Do we really also think that Brayford suddenly became a worse player? I don't know the reasons why he went on loan (to a higher league!) whether it wages, fall out or whatever but I think it was a shame that we appear to have lost a good player.

It's not small sample size. Scougall has played over 50 games since the semi final.

And for the record I think Brayford was not giving his best effort.

 

[Grizzly blade]

And yet his decision to win the ball, hold the ball up whilst under pressure(a skill Done struggles with) waiting for Freeman to overlap and cross for the first goal appears to have been forgotten ?

I thought Sharp and Done did well on Saturday and didn't give their back line a moments rest

End product.

Be interesting to see the stats for the game to compare.

Assists for either player...and shots on target. Bear in mind one player was on the pitch for a period we dominated too.

In that move, Sharp controlled a pass, and laid it off. The finish was good following a superb run, the run from Freeman and cross excellent too. Plus the work from the back to get the ball to Sharp in the first place. He was hardly a major player in the goal. He did his job.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Looks like Scougall and Sharp are going to get a kicking all season no matter what they do. It's what Unitedites do best.

Let's all get a stiffy over Coutts though, just because he's gone from shit to average.

But at least Coutts has improved, Scougall has shown no sign of improvement.

Spent the last few seasons running around like a headless chicken, and still runs round like a headless chicken now.

 

[BushBlade]

My point is......in pro terms I would be a shit footballer.
Coutts has NEVER been simply shit. None of these players are simply shit. Neither was Jay Mac...or even the less than blessed Monty! Each player has their particular abilities, and it's for managers to utilise their squad to their strengths to get results. Adkins didn't have a clue how to do it. Knew one way, and that was it.

Wilder has started to show he's adaptable. And not only that is getting the best from players. Coutts has always had that ability. I saw it when he first arrived, but it was completely obvious he lacked fitness and perhaps the drive to sort it out.
When you have quality then you use it, and find a way. Wilder has done that where Adkins failed miserably by persisting with much less quality in Hammond.

These fans that say whoever is shit really are morons.

But posters are speaking relatively. It's a bit long winded to say 'I realise that he's a professional footballer and understand what it takes to become one and that he's far better than me but compared to other players in his position at this level his performances don't appear to be of a particularly good standard.' It's just easier to say 'Rooney's shit'.

 

[Grizzly blade]

I know that.....but a bit more respect Bush.

Rooney has played Shit for England for a long time....he isn't a shit footballer.

 

[biggey blade]

I disagree personally I like scougall. I think he is a good player to have in the side I don't think he is a starter but I think he is a good sub. He adds energy into the side and with him running and hurrying the opposition when there tired towards the end of the match. He is skillful and can use both feet I admit he is a little light weight but he can score goals he went out on loan at fleetwood and scored a hat full of goals in a short period of time. He is a good option to have on the bench and think he will be a big part in the team this season he fits right in with wilders system. Would like to see him get a goal and then think he will find some form again.