Fleck v Basham

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I'm really looking for thoughts on this rather than giving a point of view.
Many have said we were better once Fleck came on. However we won the first half, drew the second so the stats may say otherwise.
My preference would probably be Fleck, but don't ask me why.
 



Basham, Coutts, Fleck and Duffy in a diamond. I'd like to see them all on the pitch. But we have to stick with 3-5-2 for now, certainly away from home, and that means one of Coutts or Fleck as long as Duffy carries on playing the attacking role well.

Fleck's a better player than Basham but we need Basham's energy and battling qualities.

I think it was a calculated gamble by Wilder yesterday bringing Fleck on, thinking that with such quality in midfield we'd have more possession and surely score at least one more goal, which would seal the game - which we did, and we should've been out of sight by 60 minutes. Wimbledon didn't have any height in midfield either so we weren't sacrificing too much in that regard, in open play at least.
 
Going to be a tough choice as fleck regains full fitness.

No doubt fleck is better on the ball and has superior distribution. But bash covers every blade of grass.

Personally if like to see us go with Duffy and Coutts with fleck and see how it goes. All 3 would be very capable of keeping possession and spraying the ball about.

My only concern then would be getting the ball back. Fleck likes a tackle but not sure he can cover for bash in enthusiasm and legging it around like a nutter
 
It doesn't have to be one or the other ,every game is different so they can be changed per and during each game ,no point just picking one and sticking to it ,the team will change due to injures form and suspensions so we need all of them.
 
I watched fleck closely in the un23s game and he was a disappointment to me. He slowed the game down. And was inaffective. He needs someone along side him to do the dirty work. He forward passing aint that good. Hes been a let down for me. So its basham all the way for me.
 
Basham is always a 7/10 player but the problem is, he's not a great defensive midfielder and he's not a great attacking midfielder. He's a safe bet and always gives 100% but usually his inclusion means a more specialist midfielder misses out in either role (if indeed we had them :)).
 
Basham is always a 7/10 player but the problem is, he's not a great defensive midfielder and he's not a great attacking midfielder. He's a safe bet and always gives 100% but usually his inclusion means a more specialist midfielder misses out in either role (if indeed we had them :)).

Can't agree with that, I'd have him as a 6/10 player, but he does just enough to get in the side, and very rarely shines. His passing is limited and unadventurous, his is ineffective in the air and not great in the tackle but is one of the plethora of mediocre players to represent us who is part of the reason why we are in our current situation rather than part of the long term solution.
 
i like fleck but as said in some posts above we maybe need a player like basham to balance things. Basham to me looks like an obvious weak link though. Id be looking for someone to fill his role.
 
BAsham works in a 5, not in a 4.

Suppose it all depends on what formation CW picks for home games.

Stick with 3-5-2? return to 4-2-3-1?

Think it will be interesting when we line up v P'boro and it will give us a clue as to how CW is thinking about home and away games.

To answer the OP - I would like to see Fleck in the team - there was a reason he was Cov's Player of the year - we need that type of player on the pitch.

UTB
 



On the principle of having two battle it out for every position, really wish CW had have got a tallish, energetic midfielder in to challenge Bash before the window closed. Personally, I see the other midfield position (the cultured one/the "tempo-setter") as being between Fleck & Coutts.

But we didn't, & we're doing well right now, so no point at all moping.

And it does offer a pathway, potentially, for Ben Whiteman.
 
I think one of the problems is we all like a trier and dont like to criticise someone who is giving it all for the cause, however, although it takes different types to make a team I get a little fed up with talk about box to box, work rate,etc we are a football team, he needs abilty at football first and foremost , if its somebody with energy and enthusiasm we want get mo farrah in, he can run a bit, or how about kell brook he looks fit.
 
I think one of the problems is we all like a trier and dont like to criticise someone who is giving it all for the cause, however, although it takes different types to make a team I get a little fed up with talk about box to box, work rate,etc we are a football team, he needs abilty at football first and foremost , if its somebody with energy and enthusiasm we want get mo farrah in, he can run a bit, or how about kell brook he looks fit.

Sad to say he dunt look that fit today :(
 
You can't have Coutts and Fleck as the main two in centre mid, especially in t' pub league. I'm not a fan of Basham but I'd have him and Whiteman as the two in centre mid, then perm 2 from 4 of Coutts, Duffy, Fleck and Scougal for the wide positions. That's assuming Wilder stops faffing about with this deeper lying role for Sharp and goes for a definite 4-4-2, with Clarke as leader of the line (currently a waste of the best striker at the club being stuck on the bench).
 
You can't have Coutts and Fleck as the main two in centre mid, especially in t' pub league. I'm not a fan of Basham but I'd have him and Whiteman as the two in centre mid, then perm 2 from 4 of Coutts, Duffy, Fleck and Scougal for the wide positions. That's assuming Wilder stops faffing about with this deeper lying role for Sharp and goes for a definite 4-4-2, with Clarke as leader of the line (currently a waste of the best striker at the club being stuck on the bench).

"faffing about" = the team winning every league game Clark hasn't started and none of the games he did start.
 
Freeman Duffy Coutts Fleck Lavary

Looks like an impressive league 1 midfield to me. Pace, passing and goals all in there. Think this should be first choice for home games. Perhaps use Basham more for the tricky away fixtures.
 
Every team needs a piano carrier, we've plenty of piano players in the club but not many carriers, Basham is the best at doing the ratting in midfield and would be the first name on my team sheet. As for the comment that he's no good in the air, up until the last couple of games he's been the only one since Collins that can get up and head it.
 
Basham is shit, stand by my word! Never liked him, fail to see what he brings to the table.......Probably had his best game in a Blades shirt against Gillingham but I still don't rate him that much!
 
Basham is shit, stand by my word! Never liked him, fail to see what he brings to the table.......Probably had his best game in a Blades shirt against Gillingham but I still don't rate him that much!
Good job Wilder knows what he's doing then or we could end up with a powder puff midfield if he followed your advice.
 
Don't think they are in direct competition. What's working well at he minute is Basham using his size to unsettle and break up play (did it well at Gillingham), Coutts is the play maker and we have no one else like him so he's nailed on and Duffy has been given a free role to which he's currently growing into with some aplomb. So for me Fleck is struggling for a start right now, the midfield is doing fine, no need to change it.
 
On the principle of having two battle it out for every position, really wish CW had have got a tallish, energetic midfielder in to challenge Bash before the window closed. Personally, I see the other midfield position (the cultured one/the "tempo-setter") as being between Fleck & Coutts.

But we didn't, & we're doing well right now, so no point at all moping.

And it does offer a pathway, potentially, for Ben Whiteman.

There is an open question on who really has competition for their spot and who has players to back them up but arguably little competition.

The way I see it:
GK - Long started as 1st choice and Moore was brought in and is now custodian so competition there.

DR - Freeman has back up but no real competition. Basham can play there but will be primarily a midfielder and will only threaten if he loses his midfield slot. If Wilson was having a blinder then you could argue EEL would also come into consideration though he is currently on collision course with Wilson. Freeman has gone from unwanted to undisputed in around a month.

RCB - Definite competition between Wilson and Ebanks-Landell.

LCB - Both O'Connell and Wright swapped places already before 5-3-2 gave them both a berth.

LB - Hussey lost his place to newly arrived Lafferty though arguably 3-5-2 suits the former's game more. Healthy competition here.

CM - It seems when given a choice it has been between Coutts and Fleck even given one is left and one is right footed, it seems the creative element is the factor around team balance. Which brings us to Basham. Whiteman is an emerging understudy. Reed is a different type and more of a Coutts/Fleck type. This means his spot is largely uncontested which you may say is unhealthy. I'd rather a genuine rival to Basham than Brown on trial. If the Fleck Coutts partnership can work, then great but it's difficult to expect a player 5'6" to replace the attributes of someone 6'.

Wide midfield - 5-3-2 has perhaps muddied the waters slightly but assuming the squad was built for 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1, then Duffy seems untouchable. Scougall has reemergence but the supporting cast of Chapman and perhaps Brooks snack of cameo and back up rather than replacement. Perhaps Burke could up the ante in this department or maybe Lavery breaks through here if Sharp and Done click?

CF - competitive with 3 to 4 seniors vying for 2 spots.

To conclude, we see potentially how Coutts and Fleck can forge a partnership which may confirm how little competition Basham has which needs either addressing through recruitment or for someone like Whiteman to emerge as a real contender.

Either way, in contrast with others his spot seems most assured regardless of performance level which is a concern given his limitations in ability if not spirit.

For Freeman it seems his performance needs to drop alarmingly for Wilder to cast aside the Wilson/EEL rivalry. Ironically, competition for Basham may create the same for Freeman if the combative midfield role heats up.

A successfully trailed Chris Burke and an imposing Midfield general would appear to be the final pieces of the recruitment jigsaw.
 
Good job Wilder knows what he's doing then or we could end up with a powder puff midfield if he followed your advice.

Did you go to Wimbledon yesterday? How lightweight did we look against their physical midfield? Not very in the slightest!

In the first half when Wimbledon were dishing the tackles out, how many did Basham win? Not many......In fact how many does basham win full stop? Not many! How many balls does Basham win in the air for a tall lad? Not many! Basham offers very little in the physicality department!

45 minutes without Basham in the team and looked more than solid!
 
Did you go to Wimbledon yesterday? How lightweight did we look against their physical midfield? Not very in the slightest!

In the first half when Wimbledon were dishing the tackles out, how many did Basham win? Not many......In fact how many does basham win full stop? Not many! How many balls does Basham win in the air for a tall lad? Not many! Basham offers very little in the physicality department!

45 minutes without Basham in the team and looked more than solid!
 



In fact lets go the whole hog and look at the stats as a whole.

Up until Wimbledon bagged a second from poor marking, pretty much every stat from possession in the middle and final third of the pitch, to pass completion and shots on target improved on that in the first half.....Without Basham on the pitch!

Great counter argument above by the way ................
 

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