CONFIRMED Calvert-Lewin sold to Everton

[larkymasher]

They would have got "a game" had they impressed sufficiently at Development level and in training. Professional football doesn't operate on the same basis as an Under-15 Sunday League. You can't Givemallarun.

As for moving on to bigger and better things, shall we examine the Youth Cup Final team in detail? For every Academy prospect on the up, there are hundreds otherwise employed. The likelihood of any given Academy player making a go of professional football is about 100/1 against. For the vast majority, non-league and semi-professional beckons. That's where, for example, Little Louis, Calamity George and De Juve are headed.

Do you honestly think that i think every academy player has the right to become a pro. I am many things but i am not fucking stupid.

Football is about opinions as you well know.

The younger players we have sold , Walker, Naughton, Lowton, Maguire, Adams and DCL ( if he moves ) have all moved on to bigger things.
For every one of those sold there will have been 30 released for no fee.
Slew blew it.... but that happens.

Not sure what your point is but Adams and DCL have impressed enough for a combined fee of £3.5m. Someone with far bigger purse strings than us thinks they have got something to offer.

 

[ThroughThinAndThinner]

Because we're selling to the premier league who have money to burn. Plus Millwall wouldn't be so short sighted and ask for more as he has potential

You've not answered either question there.

We can only get what someone is willing to pay. We turned down 1mill, it's now been upped to 1.4mill suggesting we won't get much (if anything) more. If 1.4 is such a steal why aren't Man Utd upping it to 2+m?

If we turn down 1.4mill then that is 1.4mill out of our coffers we would have. I would never, ever, be happy with us paying 1.4mill in our position for a player equal to DCL...so why would I be annoyed at selling him for that?

I'll ask again. If we payed 1.4mill for DCL, in our current position (which is not premier league) would you think the club had done a good bit of business?

Oh, and potential is just that till proven. Same goes for Slew, Diego, Ironside and countless others...more don't make it than do.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I apologise mate, I completely overlooked that! I take that back.



"Saying they are undervalued isn't fact"
That's not th point I'm trying to make though. I'm trying to point out that it may not be financially sensible in the long term to sell him for 'the going rate'.

I've been careful to point out that it could end up like either Kyle Walker or Jordan Slew, and that as fans who've only seen a handful of appearances were probably not qualified to say either way.



I belive at the time we could have sold just Naughton to Everton. But we chose to sell both Kyles to Tottenham instead.

I find it hard to have a discussion with you, I attempted to make the point that selling players early is a gamble that may or may not be financially prudent and all you can talk about is Louis Reed and Joe Ironside.

It isn't fact though. I saw every minute of every game KW played for us, and at a higher level than where we are now. To me, I thought he was destined for the top very early on. I never, ever felt the same about Slew, Adams or DCL. None of them stood out as much as KN did let alone KW.

 

[Tezza1889]

It's selling potential that's not yet realised, for us it's a good deal today which can go either way, it could make us look dumb (Kyle walker) or astute (Jordan slew) just like the buying club were also taking a gamble..

Remember the last manager to give him a run of games in a first team was wilder, so we have to back his judgement in this..

If you want a negative, then it's the money, not the fee which I think is very good, just that we won't see any of it, because by our own admission were shopping in the bargain basket and running the club on these kind of transfers late in the window...

McNulty to Bradford in order to generate money to pay laverys wages, case in point, and a dumb move cause he'll score and we all know it, mcnulty and lavery would be better as a front two than sharp and Clarke in my opinion... But hey ho..

We won't go anywhere till we change the cheap tack board... Sad but looking more true by the minute...

 

[Fraggle Blade]

I'm sick of our supposed foundations keep being washed away.
DCL may or may not become a decent player in the future, at the moment we don't know, but a couple of Premier League clubs think he's good enough to take a gamble on.
I thought our academy was about providing our foundation for the future, something to build from and create the core of our team? We don't even get them ready for first team roles before they are off.
This whole Academy is a complete waste of time...looks more and more like we've got it just cos it's the done thing for the bigger clubs to have...great for image.
Reality is, it's a complete waste of time, we're not getting players into the first team and we're just about self funding from sales.......get rid and save spending the money on it in the first place.

 

[Chali 2na]

I agree totally. I'd also say that they have a much better idea of a players worth. Do you think either would be interested at say £2.5m? No one was interested in beating Birminghams offer for Adams, despite claims they would have done today.

Read it again. I didn't say you had. I asked for your opinion.

Fair enough Sean, no I don't think anyone would pay £2.5m.

 

[Houso]

McNulty to Bradford in order to generate money to pay laverys wages, case in point, and a dumb move cause he'll score and we all know it, mcnulty and lavery would be better as a front two than sharp and Clarke in my opinion... But hey ho..

We won't go anywhere till we change the cheap tack board... Sad but looking more true by the minute...

Wait on, we've most likely paid a couple of hundred k for Lavery, and let McNulty go to Bradford on what is tantamount to a free. How does that make us cheap tack? Add to that two of the most expensive strikers in this division and Matt Done, and we're really not scrimping on our strikeforce.

 

[Tezza1889]

I'm sick of our supposed foundations keep being washed away.
DCL may or may not become a decent player in the future, at the moment we don't know, but a couple of Premier League clubs think he's good enough to take a gamble on.
I thought our academy was about providing our foundation for the future, something to build from and create the core of our team? We don't even get them ready for first team roles before they are off.
This whole Academy is a complete waste of time...looks more and more like we've got it just cos it's the done thing for the bigger clubs to have...great for image.
Reality is, it's a complete waste of time, we're not getting players into the first team and we're just about self funding from sales.......get rid and save spending the money on it in the first place.

It's a production line to the young talent and thier future sale, no academy no teenagers with potential get developed, no teenagers with potential no sales of prospects like DCL....

Without the academy, we wouldn't get a look in on these children with talent..

I believed the lie too btw that it was to generate our own players and save us transfer fees, but we got too good at it and the veil slipped with the theft of Kyle walker...

Mickey Mouse owner mate..

 

[Ricky]

If DCL is gone then I just hope we don't spend a substantial fee on Matt Green.

What we should be doing is signing Colclough on a permanent deal. He'd double up as the winger Wilder's said we're trying to sign and a replacement for DCL/McNulty. We'd also be replacing DCL's potential.

In addition to that we should be able to sign a central midfielder and a full back on loan, as well as the centre half. That's four in total. And it's not unreasonable if we're getting £1.5m. It's the only way we can justify this sale.

Spending anything substantial on a 29 year old L2 centre forward with an ACL tear behind him would be utter stupidity.

 

[sheffielder]

If DCL is gone then I just hope we don't spend a substantial fee on Matt Green.

What we should be doing is signing Colclough on a permanent deal. He'd double up as the winger Wilder's said we're trying to sign and a replacement for DCL/McNulty. We'd also be replacing DCL's potential.

In addition to that we should be able to sign a central midfielder and a full back on loan, as well as the centre half. That's four in total. And it's not unreasonable if we're getting £1.5m. It's the only way we can come out of this sale well.

Spending anything substantial on a 29 year old L2 centre forward with an ACL tear behind him would be utter stupidity.

Matt Green of Mansfield fame, aged 29? How does this replace DCL's potential.?

 

[Slug]

If DCL is gone then I just hope we don't spend a substantial fee on Matt Green.

What we should be doing is signing Colclough on a permanent deal. He'd double up as the winger Wilder's said we're trying to sign and a replacement for DCL/McNulty. We'd also be replacing DCL's potential.

In addition to that we should be able to sign a central midfielder and a full back on loan, as well as the centre half. That's four in total. And it's not unreasonable if we're getting £1.5m. It's the only way we can come out of this sale well.

Spending anything substantial on a 29 year old L2 centre forward with an ACL tear behind him would be utter stupidity.

Where have we actually been linked with Green apart from by that bullshitting, attention seeking "accountant" on Twitter?

 

[Pinchy]

I apologise mate, I completely overlooked that! I take that back.



"Saying they are undervalued isn't fact"
That's not th point I'm trying to make though. I'm trying to point out that it may not be financially sensible in the long term to sell him for 'the going rate'.

I've been careful to point out that it could end up like either Kyle Walker or Jordan Slew, and that as fans who've only seen a handful of appearances were probably not qualified to say either way.



I belive at the time we could have sold just Naughton to Everton. But we chose to sell both Kyles to Tottenham instead.

I find it hard to have a discussion with you, I attempted to make the point that selling players early is a gamble that may or may not be financially prudent and all you can talk about is Louis Reed and Joe Ironside.

The point is that the gamble is more likely to pay off than not.

Given you are reluctant to answer the Little Louis question: Next to nothing.

 

[sheffielder]

Where have we actually been linked witn Green apart from by that bullshitting, attention seeking "accountant" on Twitter?

Ricky = bull shitting accountant, maybe

 

[Pinchy]

Do you honestly think that i think every academy player has the right to become a pro. I am many things but i am not fucking stupid.

Football is about opinions as you well know.

The younger players we have sold , Walker, Naughton, Lowton, Maguire, Adams and DCL ( if he moves ) have all moved on to bigger things.
For every one of those sold there will have been 30 released for no fee.
Slew blew it.... but that happens.

Not sure what your point is but Adams and DCL have impressed enough for a combined fee of £3.5m. Someone with far bigger purse strings than us thinks they have got something to offer.

My point is perfectly clear. The fact that you have no reasonable argument to the contrary is a different matter.

 

[Ricky]

Matt Green of Mansfield fame, aged 29? How does this replace DCL's potential.?

Read it again, I'm saying Colclough would replace DCL's potential.

Where have we actually been linked with Green apart from by that bullshitting, attention seeking "accountant" on Twitter?

Bulmer on Bladesmad, who I'll always trust when he goes into details like that.

 

[Tezza1889]

Wait on, we've most likely paid a couple of hundred k for Lavery, and let McNulty go to Bradford on what is tantamount to a free. How does that make us cheap tack? Add to that two of the most expensive strikers in this division and Matt Done, and we're really not scrimping on our strikeforce.

Laverys fee will be set by tribunal and will scrape past 150k at best, mcnulty is 24 had a great pre season and would be worth keeping around should one of our more senior players take a knock, it's called back up, we've shelved it to pay laverys wages (he's virtually a free transfer by now) and to a team in our own division, that's desperate and cheap tack in my opinion.... Just for perspective and I'll agree it's a very poor example upfront, but factually correct none the less a team in the division above just Paid £15.000.000 for a player...

Like it or not we're a two Bob cheap tack shadow of what we should be.. And there's only one man and an invisible partner to blame..

 

[Westran]

I see a bit of a different spin to whats been discussed here. Its been stated by the club that the acadamy is invested in so that it can sumpliment the first team squad, whether that be financially or with players. In a best case scenarion the player comes through our acadamy and stays with us.

Now if a player shows promise at an early age they generally get a go in the team, if they're not good enough to improve the current playing squad then they go out on loan.

Sometimes other teams will see potential and put offers in, these are players that aren;t good enough to be first choice but perhaps have a bright career at a higher level in front of them, perhaps in three or four seasons. We can't afford to play them cos we need to play our best to get out this division, but they want game time or a move to a bigger club.

Considering we've made losses of £3.5m and £2.5m in 2014 and 15, I think we have to be realistic and accept that the money we get for these players not only ensures that we can operate but also provides money that we wouldn't otherwise have to cover other necessary transfers etc. unavoidable situation that we have to make the best of in my eyes.

 

[Houso]

Laverys fee will be set by tribunal and will scrape past 150k at best, mcnulty is 24 had a great pre season and would be worth keeping around should one of our more senior players take a knock, it's called back up, we've shelved it to pay laverys wages (he's virtually a free transfer by now) and to a team in our own division, that's desperate and cheap tack in my opinion.... Just for perspective and I'll agree it's a very poor example upfront, but factually correct none the less a team in the division above just Piad £15.000.000 for a player...

Like it or not we're a two Bob cheap tack shadow of what we should be.. And there's only one man and an invisible partner to blame..

We agreed a fee with Wednesday and it will have been in excess of 150k. Like I say, probably a couple hundred.

McNulty had a great pre-season? So what? Means sod all ultimately.

We now have 4 forward players. We simply don't need McNulty.

 

[Hodgyman]

From Sky Sports today. Apologies if it has already been posted
12:46
CALVERT-LEWIN HEADING TO EVERTON

Sky sources are telling us Everton are closing in on the signing of Sheffield United’s teenage striker Dominic Calvert-Lewin.

He’s heading to Everton’s Finch Farm training ground for a medical before agreeing a £1.5m move from Bramall Lane.

The 19-year-old has also been called up to the England Under-20 squad for the first time today.

 

[Tezza1889]

We agreed a fee with Wednesday and it will have been in excess of 150k. Like I say, probably a couple hundred.

McNulty had a great pre-season? So what? Means sod all ultimately.

We now have 4 forward players. We simply don't need McNulty.

Ok that's what it's all about pal, opinions...

Think I've closed the cheap tack issue though which was your question..

Sad but it's men against boys in the transfer market, and how I thought it might be us chucking the money about on star players when #gamechanger came on the board.... It could only happen to us, a prince with no oil well...

 

[sheffielder]

We agreed a fee with Wednesday and it will have been in excess of 150k. Like I say, probably a couple hundred.

McNulty had a great pre-season? So what? Means sod all ultimately.

We now have 4 forward players. We simply don't need McNulty.

Totally agree. We need to build a smaller compact squad. We don't need 6 strikers when we have 3 central midfielders (Coutts, Basham and Fleck) and 2 wingers (Chapman and Duffy). Strikers don't score by themselves and we have Sharp Done, Clarke and Lavery who can score goals at this level. McNulty would be a luxury after these 4 and we can't afford (literally) to have players like this when other areas of the team need strengthening.

 

[Champagneblade]

There's just zero comparison between DCL and the two Kyles. It was almost universally accepted hat the 2 Kyles were going to make it, and they were first teamers. It's almost universally accepted that DCL has offered very little, and he can't force his way into our (third division) first team.

I'm at a complete loss as to why some are getting so uptight about this one, other than the obvious ones who are desperate for something else to get uptight about.

UTB

Because the scouts and management at Man U and Everton might just know a thing or two in spotting a footballer?

But hey, a few on here who have seen him in 5 matches or less don't fancy him.

 

[Chali 2na]

The point is that the gamble is more likely to pay off than not.

Given you are reluctant to answer the Little Louis question: Next to nothing.

You've just made an assertion that "the gamble is more likely to pay off than not": prove it.

(Hint: Self-righteousness and a condescending tone isn't proof)

As for Louis Reed, I agree he's not worth an awful lot: I've never really been a fan of his. The reason I haven't answered you is because I'm not sure if he's a relevant example. I'm using players like Slew and Walker to illustrate the risk/reward of selling a player after a handful of games. The fact that there didn't appear to be much interest on Louis early on in his United career (or now) and that we have seen a lot more of him on the pitch than my other examples makes him a poor comparison IMO.

 

[Pinchy]

You've just made an assertion that "the gamble is more likely to pay off than not": prove it.

(Hint: Self-righteousness and a condescending tone isn't proof)

As for Louis Reed, I agree he's not worth an awful lot: I've never really been a fan of his. The reason I haven't answered you is because I'm not sure if he's a relevant example. I'm using players like Slew and Walker to illustrate the risk/reward of selling a player after a handful of games. The fact that there didn't appear to be much interest on Louis early on in his United career (or now) and that we have seen a lot more of him on the pitch than my other examples makes him a poor comparison IMO.

Had we been offered and taken £1.5m for "Young Joe" at a time when most of the naive S2,fanbase were singing his name and wanting him to be "first name on the team sheet" what an outcry there would have been.

The reason the gamble is bound to pay off more often than not is that the vast majority of Academy players don't "train on". In the particular case of Sheffield United there is the rather odd additional feature of people thinking players are a lot better than they are because they are that ludicrous phenomenon "one of our own". There are still people out there who will tell you that Calamity George and Little Louis just need a little bit more time...and then a bit more.

 

[Slug]

Read it again, I'm saying Colclough would replace DCL's potential.




Bulmer on Bladesmad, who I'll always trust when he goes into details like that.

Fair enough I hadn't seen that. Can't say i know anything about Green

 

[alcoblade]

Because the scouts and management at Man U and Everton might just know a thing or two in spotting a footballer?

But hey, a few on here who have seen him in 5 matches or less don't fancy him.

Like John Cofie when they signed him, or Paul Pogba when they released him?

But hey, why resist chance to hate our own club?

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

Can we merge this thread with the che one?

 

[Kabba Kabba Doo]

You've not answered either question there.

We can only get what someone is willing to pay. We turned down 1mill, it's now been upped to 1.4mill suggesting we won't get much (if anything) more. If 1.4 is such a steal why aren't Man Utd upping it to 2+m?

If we turn down 1.4mill then that is 1.4mill out of our coffers we would have. I would never, ever, be happy with us paying 1.4mill in our position for a player equal to DCL...so why would I be annoyed at selling him for that?

I'll ask again. If we payed 1.4mill for DCL, in our current position (which is not premier league) would you think the club had done a good bit of business?

Oh, and potential is just that till proven. Same goes for Slew, Diego, Ironside and countless others...more don't make it than do.

I'd be questioning why we're paying £1.4m for someone in our position full stop. However Man Utd and Everton aren't in our position and are in a much healthier position where they can afford to pay a lot more money than we can.
As long as we include some healthy add ons it's probably a decent deal, as long as the money is also reinvested in to the first team!

Premier League teams can also afford to take an (in our position) expensive risk on potential, £2m would have been my asking price, could easily be another Slew but could just as easily be another Kyle Walker, who had we held on to another year we could have got at least double what we sold him for.

 

[true99blade]

James Shield just tweeted that no deal has been agreed yet despite an improved offer.

 

[larkymasher]

My point is perfectly clear. The fact that you have no reasonable argument to the contrary is a different matter.

Pinchy, again when you have been challenged you come up with the usual wishy washy reply which is as wishy washy as the point you are trying to explain.

Your replies when in a discussion are sarcastic with no hint of respect to the people with differing opinions to you ..........

Piss poor..................