CONFIRMED Calvert-Lewin sold to Everton

[Pinchy]

Bollocks, Utter, and Complete. Rearrange accordingly.
Somehow, even though he was our player Birmingham held all the cards. They knew we weren't playing him because we were selling him, they knew we were desperate. The market is very inflated now, get with it. It's not 2012 anymore.

A 20 year old with pace who has just scored 12 goals from a striking/wide position in this division is now worth more than we sold him for. Simple as that.

Sorry if you disagree but it's true.

You are very silly. The simple truth is that if he was worth more some other club would have paid more. Do you really not understand that plain and obvious reasoning?

You are getting very excitable and the drivel factor is increasing as your neck reddens.

How old are you?

 

[Pinchy]

Did the Kyles go for market value?
'Market value' is a myth.

You really are an idiot.

 

[larkymasher]

A player is only worth what another club will offer.
Ask CW if 3.5million is value for 2 players he would not consistently play.
I say it is.
My worry is that why are these players, including Diego not good enough for a L1 club but they are all moving to bigger things.

We all say young players should stay at lower league clubs and play week in week out and then move on.

These lads never got a game. Why would they not want to clear off as soon as possible and take a salary possibly 5 times on what they get from us.

 

[Chali 2na]

I agree totally. I'd also say that they have a much better idea of a players worth. Do you think either would be interested at say £2.5m? No one was interested in beating Birminghams offer for Adams, despite claims they would have done today.

I haven't claimed that anyone would buy Adams for £2.5m nor have I claimed we'd get a better price today.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

You say that like it's Wilder's decision. Was it Blackwell's decision to sell Beattie or Wilson's decision to sell Blackman?

I didn't really think the first sentence of my post was particularly unclear...

 

[Bladeinleeds]

You really are an idiot.

If you sell your players at the first sign of asking then your take the risk you've subsequently undersold them.

We sold walker after about 10 games for a million quid. Seemed fair / market at the time.

Had he remained and played as well as he did back on loan. His value would have been at least 5 times that - equal to naughton at a minimum.

Or he could have done a slew and been shit and worth 50p. We just didn't have the balls to resist the bid and find out

 

[sheffielder]

If you sell your players at the first sign of asking then your take the risk you've subsequently undersold them.

We sold walker after about 10 games for a million quid. Seemed fair / market at the time.

Had he remained and played as well as he did back on loan. His value would have been at least 5 times that - equal to naughton at a minimum.

Or he could have done a slew and been shit and worth 50p. We just didn't have the balls to resist the bid and find out

Walker was 3m plus extras as part of that deal

 

[dublin 10 blade]

There is also the possibility of Maguire still going to Boro, likely to be around 8m which will raise the pot further. dividends to directors

What about the ordinary shareholders . when do we get paid our dividends .

 

[Sean Thornton]

I understand that a players market value is whatever someone might pay, but what I would ask you both is:

Were you happy with the fee we received for Kyle Walker? Was the <£2m Tottenham paid a reflection of his true value?



Pinchy, we get it, you don't rate Louis Reed.

Getting a U20 call up doesn't mean you will become a good player, but it is surely preferable to getting no call up at all?

No. Clearly not. Well undersold. But we are talking a slightly better class of player. Why not compare the askew sale. Or Wayne Quinn or Lee Morris, or Olivier Tebiliy? Because it doesn't fit the arguments that's why.

Why does that have any bearing on the valuation of Adams and DCL though. If we'd have hung on and they weren't judged good enough for the team and nobody wanted them in the future all this

Saying they are undervalued isn't fact. No one knows it's true. The only facts are what someone is willing to pay and the argument that we'd have got more today just masks the fact that no one can argue with the prices paid. Remember on that logic, Everton or Man. U could have bid less for DCL a fortnight ago, saving money. But they didn't so I suppose it's another one of those panic buy scenarios.

joined up thinking goes out of the window because the whole discussion revolves around slating the board rather than what's actually happened out there.,

And do I think we'll spend the DCL money? No. I think we may spend some of the money and savings we've already made but that will go in the pot for running expenses.

 

[jt64]

Price is what you pay, value is what you get.

 

[Pinchy]

I understand that a players market value is whatever someone might pay, but what I would ask you both is:

Were you happy with the fee we received for Kyle Walker? Was the <£2m Tottenham paid a reflection of his true value?



Pinchy, we get it, you don't rate Louis Reed.

Getting a U20 call up doesn't mean you will become a good player, but it is surely preferable to getting no call up at all?

Walker was sold as part of a package with £5m Naughton. We couldn't have one without the other. Of course we didn't get enough for Walker. DCL ain't Kyle Walker.

You do realise that 99% of youngsters fall by the wayside? I have a long and comprehensive list of our Golden Generation for a start. Imagine the fuss if we'd sold "Young Joe" for £1.5m when he was the next big thing.

As for Little Louis, the former England Infants star. How much is he worth?

 

[Slim Man]

You are very silly. The simple truth is that if he was worth more some other club would have paid more. Do you really not understand that plain and obvious reasoning?

You are getting very excitable and the drivel factor is increasing as your neck reddens.

How old are you?

I'm the silly one. Coming from someone who could be arguing about the oppression of North Korea and somehow involve Louis Reed.
Was Kyle Walker worth what we sold him for at the time? Think his fee was around the 2mil mark?

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Walker was 3m plus extras as part of that deal

I don't buy that he was rated as highly as naughton at that time. No way we only got 3 for naughton. Spurs threw in a cheeky sweetener at the end and we bit their hands off

 

[Sean Thornton]

Did the Kyles go for market value?
'Market value' is a myth.

Of course it is. You've no answer to the point that no one bid, or in DCLs case, bidding higher. I thought you said that's what happens on deadline day, when clubs panic, so it has to be.

We underestimated KWs MV by millions. That's no reason to deny the concept. It was another huge board error.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Your last paragraph could have been written about Little Louis. How much is he worth?

United turned 500k down for Reed from Stoke the summer after he first came into the team. I've never rated Reed. It shows just how difficult it is to assess value as we'd be luck to get a tenth of that now.

 

[Slim Man]

You really are an idiot.

Was Kyle Walker sold for market value?

 

[Slim Man]

Of course it is. You've no answer to the point that no one bid, or in DCLs case, bidding higher. I thought you said that's what happens on deadline day, when clubs panic, so it has to be.

We underestimated KWs MV by millions. That's no reason to deny the concept. It was another huge board error.

Clubs have panicked in the case of DCL. He's not worth 1.4 million quid. We rejected their first bid and they've come back and bid higher.
Believe it or not thats what tends to happen.

Who's to say if we rejected Birmingham's third bid they wouldn't have come back with a fourth? Do you know that for a fact?

'Huge board error' that's saying the very least.

 

[sheffielder]

I don't buy that he was rated as highly as naughton at that time. No way we only got 3 for naughton. Spurs threw in a cheeky sweetener at the end and we bit their hands off

In total including add ons the deal was 10m, however I think the price paid was 5 for Naughton and 3 for Walker. However I could be slightly wrong,

 

[Sean Thornton]

I haven't claimed that anyone would buy Adams for £2.5m nor have I claimed we'd get a better price today.

Read it again. I didn't say you had. I asked for your opinion.

 

[Sean Thornton]

If you sell your players at the first sign of asking then your take the risk you've subsequently undersold them.

We sold walker after about 10 games for a million quid. Seemed fair / market at the time.

Had he remained and played as well as he did back on loan. His value would have been at least 5 times that - equal to naughton at a minimum.

Or he could have done a slew and been shit and worth 50p. We just didn't have the balls to resist the bid and find out

He's lost a million quid in a handful of posts.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Clubs have panicked in the case of DCL. He's not worth 1.4 million quid. We rejected their first bid and they've come back and bid higher.
Believe it or not thats what tends to happen.

Who's to say if we rejected Birmingham's third bid they wouldn't have come back with a fourth? Do you know that for a fact?

'Huge board error' that's saying the very least.

Again, let's deal with reality rather than do you knows. Why if he was undervalued by so much, did no one else put a higher bid in?

 

[Bladeinleeds]

In total including add ons the deal was 10m, however I think the price paid was 5 for Naughton and 3 for Walker. However I could be slightly wrong,

From what I remember i saw fees of 5-6m bandied about.

Don't think we'd have got much in the way of add ons either from naughton

 

[Bladeinleeds]

He's lost a million quid in a handful of posts.

Down the back of mccabes sofa

 

[Slim Man]

Again, let's deal with reality rather than do you knows. Why if he was undervalued by so much, did no one else put a higher bid in?

There could be a number of factors. Such as clubs needing to sell before they buy, we know that all too well don't we?

 

[Pinchy]

A player is only worth what another club will offer.
Ask CW if 3.5million is value for 2 players he would not consistently play.
I say it is.
My worry is that why are these players, including Diego not good enough for a L1 club but they are all moving to bigger things.

We all say young players should stay at lower league clubs and play week in week out and then move on.

These lads never got a game. Why would they not want to clear off as soon as possible and take a salary possibly 5 times on what they get from us.

They would have got "a game" had they impressed sufficiently at Development level and in training. Professional football doesn't operate on the same basis as an Under-15 Sunday League. You can't Givemallarun.

As for moving on to bigger and better things, shall we examine the Youth Cup Final team in detail? For every Academy prospect on the up, there are hundreds otherwise employed. The likelihood of any given Academy player making a go of professional football is about 100/1 against. For the vast majority, non-league and semi-professional beckons. That's where, for example, Little Louis, Calamity George and De Juve are headed.

 

[Pinchy]

Down the back of mccabes sofa

Pathetic, juvenile stuff. It wasn't amusing the first time. Grow up.

 

[Kabba Kabba Doo]

A slightly different way of looking at it for the ones disappointed with this...

If DCL was Millwalls player and we were about to sign him for 1.4m would we think we were doing a good bit of business? If not then why is us turning that kind of offer down any better?

Because we're selling to the premier league who have money to burn. Plus Millwall wouldn't be so short sighted and ask for more as he has potential

 

[Sean Thornton]

There could be a number of factors. Such as clubs needing to sell before they buy, we know that all too well don't we?

Yet you've just claimed DCL is overpriced and not worth £1.4m ( presumably someone's panicking) but can't apply the same logical thought to the fact that the Adams fee was right because no one bid more. Your valuation, whatever it is, is irrelevant because it's based only on a perception that the board MUST have let him go cheaply.

For KW and KN, there is Slew, Morris,Quinn, Tebiliy but they can't be counted. Birmingham may have made the same mistake Blackburn did. I don't know, and neither do you.

As I said though, it's gone bck to the board because there's nowhere else to go.

 

[Chali 2na]

I didn't really think the first sentence of my post was particularly unclear...

I apologise mate, I completely overlooked that! I take that back.

No. Clearly not. Well undersold. But we are talking a slightly better class of player. Why not compare the askew sale. Or Wayne Quinn or Lee Morris, or Olivier Tebiliy? Because it doesn't fit the arguments that's why.

Why does that have any bearing on the valuation of Adams and DCL though. If we'd have hung on and they weren't judged good enough for the team and nobody wanted them in the future all this

Saying they are undervalued isn't fact. No one knows it's true. The only facts are what someone is willing to pay and the argument that we'd have got more today just masks the fact that no one can argue with the prices paid. Remember on that logic, Everton or Man. U could have bid less for DCL a fortnight ago, saving money. But they didn't so I suppose it's another one of those panic buy scenarios.

joined up thinking goes out of the window because the whole discussion revolves around slating the board rather than what's actually happened out there.,

And do I think we'll spend the DCL money? No. I think we may spend some of the money and savings we've already made but that will go in the pot for running expenses.

"Saying they are undervalued isn't fact"
That's not th point I'm trying to make though. I'm trying to point out that it may not be financially sensible in the long term to sell him for 'the going rate'.

I've been careful to point out that it could end up like either Kyle Walker or Jordan Slew, and that as fans who've only seen a handful of appearances were probably not qualified to say either way.

Walker was sold as part of a package with £5m Naughton. We couldn't have one without the other. Of course we didn't get enough for Walker. DCL ain't Kyle Walker. You do realise that 99% of youngsters fall by the wayside? I have a long and comprehensive list of our Golden Generation for a start. Imagine the fuss if we'd sold "Young Joe" for £1.5m when he was the next big thing.

As for Little Louis, the former England Infants star. How much is he worth?

I belive at the time we could have sold just Naughton to Everton. But we chose to sell both Kyles to Tottenham instead.

I find it hard to have a discussion with you, I attempted to make the point that selling players early is a gamble that may or may not be financially prudent and all you can talk about is Louis Reed and Joe Ironside.

 

[alcoblade]

Walker was 3m plus extras as part of that deal

Those annoying little facts are spoiling a good story though.....