McCabe 'wont rest' til we're out of league 1

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I havent read the book. Would you say that what was written about McCabe is accurate?

The public domain stuff yes, although they clearly hadnt dug very deep, or decided not to print, his world wide business dealings in any detail. Plenty of innuendo as well.

Towards the end it was clearly written from a BIFA perspective, glossing over them backing McDonald originally and making a great deal of their witty press releases and Christmas cards. Failed to mention Brearley trouncing them at the Trades club meeting where he went from the crowd wanting to burn him at the stake to getting a round of applause as he destroyed their arguments which were laughable. Even after then they tried to claim their campaign - I can't remember ever seeing any accounts although I'm not saying there weren't any - had forced Reg to sell when the truth is he was desperate for cash.
 



Sean - read the back cover of the book again. And re-read the book. I also know one of the authors so I give you a line from a brilliant film -Glengarry Glen Ross - and which you might learn from: "you never open your mouth until you know what the shot is" :)


I've read the book more than once. It's an excellent book until Reg/McCabe comes into it when the BIFA agenda kicks in. matt Bell is a decent bloke and a huge Blade and while Armstrong is a clever man ive personally seen him fall for some clap trap when he was doing his hooligan book. They could have dug just a bit deeper but it would have destroyed the innuendo. I think they had an end game and portrayed the story to fit that.

The back cover of the book. Really, you'd make a judgement based on a couple of paragraphs ?

Thanks for the literary heads up but pointing to where your claim is in the book would be more help.

If it told the full story, it would be a very good book on United. It didn't.
 
Sean - are you seriously reviewing the book as that? Have you seriously read it?

I think I've put enough detail in already to show I have. All you've said is he bought United to further his global interests. Which with a bit of research would show were in place before he supposedly looked at China, Australia etc.
 
Sean - are you seriously reviewing the book as that? Have you seriously read it?
I don't have the book in front of me at the moment but I have the recall of their analysis that McCabe used the brand of the blades to promote his global property interest - and that was more than confirmed to me by one of the authors. Maybe you just don't understand nuance.
 
I don't have the book at the moment but I have the recall of their analysis that McCabe used the brand of the blades to promote his global property interest - and that was more than confirmed to me by one of the authors. Maybe you just don't understand nuance.


Have a look at Scarboroughs profile. It was in China long before the PL season or Robsons appointment. Then when you find out that's true, you can ask your mate about nuance. Ask him about the Trades club meeting as well.

I thought you carried the book around with you you refer to it that much.
 
Have a look at Scarboroughs profile. It was in China long before the PL season or Robsons appointment. Then when you find out that's true, you can ask your mate about nuance. Ask him about the Trades club meeting as well.

I thought you carried the book around with you you refer to it that much.
Ooooo! Tetchy as well as lacking in analytical skills. Like the Sun do ya!
 
Ooooo! Tetchy as well as lacking in analytical skills. Like the Sun do ya!


Had a quick look. Two points. There's a two line comment about the club being an arm of the property set up, attributed to a comment seemingly made by Jason Rockett, of course with no link or verification. Hardly the main point of the book.

Secondly, as I said, it paints the idea that Chengdu was McCabes way into China. Now there's analytical skills for you although itcis easier when you actually have the book.

Of course, feel free to ignore the points if it's a problem.
 
Had a quick look. Two points. There's a two line comment about the club being an arm of the property set up, attributed to a comment seemingly made by Jason Rockett, of course with no link or verification. Hardly the main point of the book.

Secondly, as I said, it paints the idea that Chengdu was McCabes way into China. Now there's analytical skills for you although itcis easier when you actually have the book.

Of course, feel free to ignore the points if it's a problem.
As I said, I don't have the book in front of me, but why don't you refer to their argument that McCabe turned a football club into a brand for a global property empire - which it does, even though I don't have it in front of me. If you do, fucking read it.
 
As I said, I don't have the book in front of me, but why don't you refer to their argument that McCabe turned a football club into a brand for a global property empire - which it does, even though I don't have it in front of me. If you do, fucking read it.

The global propety empire was there first. Which ive tried to explain and your only answer is to read a book I've got and you haven't and you swearing like some fourteen year old.
 
Anyway, let's pick it up another day Lincoln although we'll never agree :)
 



The argument in favour of McCabe boils down to "we could do a lot worse". And it's true. We could have a chairman that put the financial stability of the club in doubt, one that called debts in and risked having the club wound up and such. In that sense only are we fortunate to have a McCabe who genuinely seems as though he won't ever be threatening the existence of the club. I'll also give him credit that the development of the club's infrastructure in the way of ground improvements, the academy facilities, and similar have been good.

However, this is in many ways faint praise. The academy is a nice thing to have, but facilities like that exist at a club for the express benefit of the first team. And our first team has been, and for a number of years now, way below where it should be in respect to our infrastructure. In this sense all we're saying when we say good things about McCabe is "he won't bankrupt us". The measure of success is not anything beyond ceasing to exist.

The idea that we're well run is hard for me to see. We only have to look back the last couple of seasons to see utterly baffling financial policies. Clough said that he needed two or three key positions and we'd be there. And nobody seemed to dispute this. Why then, was there no intervention from the club as they watched him sign around two dozen budget players? Far from being the cheap way, this was a very expensive way to bring failure. It wasn't what we needed, and it wasn't even what the manager had said he wanted. That's the point at which the "technical board" or whoever is functioning in that role is supposed to have alarm bells sounding and correct the course. It's not like Clough signed all the cheques personally and we couldn't stop him.

And that poor running of the club led directly into the Adkins hangover. He was handcuffed by the huge squad and stretched wage bill, and his only permanent additions in the Summer were Sharp (resounding success) and Woolford (the other extreme). I don't want to let Adkins off the hook too much given his tragic use of the loan market (Hammond especially), but you do have to wonder what might have been if he'd been able to build a squad rather than continue to make do with the likes of Coutts, JCR, McEveley and such. And including more of our bizarre contract negotiations like allowing a player the option to make his deal permanent as oppose to the club making the call. That was a new one for me, at least. Further more if Adkins had been forced to make do with what he had, and what he had proved to be woefully short (something we've very clearly been aware of given the Wilder clear out), wouldn't it make some sense for the board to show some strength and stand by the manager who'd fit all their criteria for the job? Again, I'm not really that sympathetic to Adkins, it's just that we can hardly look at his tenure and say that the board showed much sense of direction.

I've posted at length in other threads about our haphazard choice of managers, so I won't go too much into that again. Needless to say that Wilder fits none of the criteria laid out before we appointed the last one, which is a worrying sign from a boardroom.

So all-in-all I do feel "safe" with McCabe at the helm. I don't see us struggling to stay alive in the way Rotherham and even Wednesday once did. But is that enough? How many of the rest of you have friends across the country that are so puzzled and ask you questions like "How are you still so shit"? I never have a good answer. I can't figure it out myself. Not without coming back to the chairman, that is.
 
By Pele, there are some naive fuckers around aren't there, not least our naval correspondent...

How do we propose to get McCabe out? No silly answers, please. References to the Companies Act 2006 recommended.

Assuming you find a solution (you won't) and put it into practice (you can't), what do we do the day after?

Some of you ought to turn your attention to the Moon-landing, Princess Diana and Area 51. You may have a deeper knowledge in those fields than you have about the realities of business organisation.

By the way, gratuitously labelling a man "a crook" is cowardly when you haven't got the dosh to be worth a libel action.
 
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The global propety empire was there first. Which ive tried to explain and your only answer is to read a book I've got and you haven't and you swearing like some fourteen year old.

If you read a book that reinforces your own agenda, it quickly becomes the gospel truth. I may be the only contributor to this forum who's mentioned in it? I don't know. I do know Matt Bell and he's a great lad with SUFC right at the centre of his heart. Don't know the other fellow, but Woodward and Bernstein they are not....
 
Kevin McCabe is a fine politician. He's faced irate supporters on more than one occasion and had them eating out of his hand by the end of it.
So we come back for more every season, putting our shit position down to bad luck and circumstance. "Hey I'm a Blade just like you" fixes all ills.

Under Mike McDonald and Reg Brearley (to an extent), United had an organised opposition to the shit situation we found ourselves in.
In this day and age, we don't channel our anger and frustration by being a visible united front (excuse the pun). We vent it on football forums, and as such nothing changes. And for that we are all guilty, even myself as I write this.

Mike McDonald?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
 
Question. For those of you who think he's much better, would McCabe be as bad a chairman as Reg Brearley if we were to get relegated to the old fourth?
 
If you read a book that reinforces your own agenda, it quickly becomes the gospel truth. I may be the only contributor to this forum who's mentioned in it? I don't know. I do know Matt Bell and he's a great lad with SUFC right at the centre of his heart. Don't know the other fellow, but Woodward and Bernstein they are not....

Ooooh! Get you! Mentioned in Fit n Proper!

Is that some sort of 'qualification by association' or are you, as ever, just shovelling your own shit, Pinchy?

I was mentioned in Greenwich's book. And Blades Tales. And other stuff I care to forget. I even wrote two songs about United! YES! ME! I'm so proud of me I could shit red and white.

Do you kindly da see how pathetic you sound? I'm trying to help here.

Now. Do you think it's a great idea to continue with the same regime we have administering our continued failure or not?

Pommpey
 
He's not a Tan, he's not an Allam, he's not. Risdale. He's much more clever than those.

He has managed to kill the club by the form of apathy. Quite an achievement for a club like ours. The club is toxic now, what's he going to do about it? We could probably do with these imaginary investors and board members deciding to get involved now...

As much as anything though the worst thing is how amateur we go about things. We never get deals completed, we're always 'nearly' there in every way shape and form. We might nearly avoid relegation this season if we're lucky.
it's mission accomplished then. he's after the freehold
 
Ooooh! Get you! Mentioned in Fit n Proper!

Is that some sort of 'qualification by association' or are you, as ever, just shovelling your own shit, Pinchy?

I was mentioned in Greenwich's book. And Blades Tales. And other stuff I care to forget. I even wrote two songs about United! YES! ME! I'm so proud of me I could shit red and white.

Do you kindly da see how pathetic you sound? I'm trying to help here.

Now. Do you think it's a great idea to continue with the same regime we have administering our continued failure or not?

Pommpey

You are very odd, sailor.
 
He's already got it.
yes you're right. i'll rephrase.. he is after using it for non football persuits.. i'm just waiting for it.. 'Scarborough Holdings intend to build new ground in Attercliffe for SUFC'.. it will be good for us. yadda yadda.. 'shopping mall to be build on old blades ground to connect to the Moor refurbishment.. etcetala etcetela..
 
yes you're right. i'll rephrase.. he is after using it for non football persuits.. i'm just waiting for it.. 'Scarborough Holdings intend to build new ground in Attercliffe for SUFC'.. it will be good for us. yadda yadda.. 'shopping mall to be build on old blades ground to connect to the Moor refurbishment.. etcetala etcetela..

If that were ever going to happen, mate (and it most certainly will not) it would have been done a long long time ago...

The moon landing was genuine. There is no squiggly alien at Roswell. Elvis is dead.
 
If that were ever going to happen, mate (and it most certainly will not) it would have been done a long long time ago...

The moon landing was genuine. There is no squiggly alien at Roswell. Elvis is dead.


And Warnocks not coming back!
 



PokerBlade sums it up well tbf.

McCabe ain't going anywhere unless we happen to stumble across the next gullible twat that fancies throwing away millions on a vanity project. Very much true that we'll never go bust while he's in charge but our existence is akin to that fella who sits in the corner of the office doing the same job for the last 35 years - he's never progressed from his current role because he's happy to live somewhat simply to benefit his family at home. The guy has no spark or ambition to gamble to better himself.

I genuinely have no idea how this football club intends to progress by any other means than finding a magic formula.
 

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