McCabe 'wont rest' til we're out of league 1

[The Crab]

Adkins clearly was a bad manager last year. Hadnt got a clue all season. Eventually even too much for WHF, that's how bad he was.?

Agree with that, never saw it coming though as I thought he was about the best appointment we could have hoped for. Oops!

 

[Slim Man]

I Love statetments like this above. Its stating the obvious...

Give me Leicesters position over Shrewsburys anyday...

Well, Hull were an example of 'bad' owners. So I was comparing us to them. Pretty simple no?

 

[SwissBlade]

Well, Hull were an example of 'bad' owners. So I was comparing us to them. Pretty simple no?

Plenty of good owners in the lower leagues i'm sure...

 

[Slim Man]

Plenty of good owners in the lower leagues i'm sure...

Not saying there isn't although Hull were the subject matter at the time of posting. Alright they're having it tough at the moment, uninterested owners who won't spend cos they're waiting to sell up, 12 players fit and not a single one signed all summer. But they are in the premier league, and they have just beat the champions on home soil in game 1...

 

[JJBlade]

The problem is the board escape Scott free every season cos they arrange fans forums and sack a gaffer every year when it looks like they might get some heat.

Some of us see right through this charade, others blindly clap like seals at them.

Until the amount of folk in the first camp overtake the seals they will remain and we will carry on been a shit football club.

I think the amount of fans in the first camp is enormously in the majority LS26

The problem is doing something about it

In the 80's and 90's there would have been demonstrations, these demonstrations would have been quite forceful, one or two fans would have gone too far.
This in turn would have turned very nasty as the police would have inevitably waded in.

Nowadays this sort of thing quite rightly cannot be allowed to happen
But the problem is, how does a peaceful demonstration achieve anything ?

We have one option only..............DON'T GO !!!!
But this will also achieve nothing as we look even less attractive to a potential new owner

 

[Slim Man]

Adkins clearly was a bad manager last year. Hadnt got a clue all season. Eventually even too much for WHF, that's how bad he was.?

Adkins I'll give you might have lost whatever it was he had at Southampton and Scunthorpe.
But Clough and Wilson both bad managers? Weir is proving to be one of the best assistants in the british isles at the moment to Mark Warburton too. Now it looks like Wilder could be the next fall guy. When does it stop and we start holding Kev responsible?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Adkins I'll give you might have lost whatever it was he had at Southampton and Scunthorpe.
But Clough and Wilson both bad managers? Weir is proving to be one of the best assistants in the british isles at the moment to Mark Warburton too. Now it looks like Wilder could be the next fall guy. When does it stop and we start holding Kev responsible?

Assistant is Weirs position. Irrespective of the budget his signings and tactics were shocking. Many saw it as a good progressive appointment but hindsight a a wonderful thing and now rather than Weir being as much use a a chocolate fire guard history is being rewritten so that he was blameless and it was all McCabes fault, same with Adkins. Both would have taken the job knowing exactly what the position was but with no proof whatsoever they've had the original budget cut blah blah blah.

So much to blame McCabe for without making stuff up, such as your comment that he's a crook.

 

[Slim Man]

Assistant is Weirs position. Irrespective of the budget his signings and tactics were shocking. Many saw it as a good progressive appointment but hindsight a a wonderful thing and now rather than Weir being as much use a a chocolate fire guard history is being rewritten so that he was blameless and it was all McCabes fault, same with Adkins. Both would have taken the job knowing exactly what the position was but with no proof whatsoever they've had the original budget cut blah blah blah.

So much to blame McCabe for without making stuff up, such as your comment that he's a crook.

For me it's not even the budget, it's how amateurish we are. I think we have a decent budget most seasons but our incompetent board take that long haggling over 10k extra transfer fee that we miss out on target number 1 then have to pick up the scraps. Then we decide to 'wait' till the loan window, wait till january, wait till next season. We're always waiting. We're never ever complete. It really is pathetic.

 

[Sean Thornton]

For me it's not even the budget, it's how amateurish we are. I think we have a decent budget most seasons but our incompetent board take that long haggling over 10k extra transfer fee that we miss out on target number 1 then have to pick up the scraps. Then we decide to 'wait' till the loan window, wait till january, wait till next season. We're always waiting. We're never ever complete. It really is pathetic.

Now that's a perfectly valid, and totally accurate, criticism Danny. No one can really argue with that and that buck stops firmly at the feet of KM and HRH.

 

[Drunk blade]

The only way to get him out is to stop going... while we're still selling 12,000 plus season tickets nothing will change

 

[pommpey]

Now that's a perfectly valid, and totally accurate, criticism Danny. No one can really argue with that and that buck stops firmly at the feet of KM and HRH.

So, with that firmly in mind, I'd say we should stop blaming the team for being shit and the manager for being left to manage shit. Being as it isn't his decision to sell McDonald, Blackman, Lowton, Murphy, Adams, Maguire et al, and we can be certain he would possibly pick from the list I quickly suggested yesterday, rather than in the bargain and seconds bin, we can be certain that despite assumptions, this club is absolutely broke. It has to be. It may seem outwardly solvent, but the money is going somewhere, and not on the playing talent out on the (new) pitch. And the money generated from footballing streams - transfers, cup runs, television, sponsorship, is also draining away on other matters. I am not suggesting McCabe is a fiddler here ... the books bear that out and I don't classify him as a crook in any way, shape or form - I just don't think we are in any healthy situation set up to meet 20,000 expectations every other Saturday. And with that level of support, that magnitude of expectations and the demonstrable incompetence shown in equipping the team to do what the fans expect him to do, there's only two options ... stay away from the games as a protest or call for his resignation. He isn't going to put more money into the club and we aren't going to get any better as a team. So we aren't in a position to hope for promotion. That is a dire situation for a team with huge historical legacy in the nation's number one game, a large fan base which may dwindle if success isn't forthcoming and a bitter city rival who is doing better than us.

We are becoming Notts County.

pommpey

 

[Esablade]

We have one option only..............DON'T GO !!!!
But this will also achieve nothing as we look even less attractive to a potential new owner

Behind the smokescreens and bluster of McCabe stating he would 'sell to the right buyer', you have to ask, what exactly is 'for sale'...
What would a new owner being buying into if they bought into 'Blades Leisure Ltd'.

 

[Sean Thornton]

So, with that firmly in mind, I'd say we should stop blaming the team for being shit and the manager for being left to manage shit. Being as it isn't his decision to sell McDonald, Blackman, Lowton, Murphy, Adams, Maguire et al, and we can be certain he would possibly pick from the list I quickly suggested yesterday, rather than in the bargain and seconds bin, we can be certain that despite assumptions, this club is absolutely broke. It has to be. It may seem outwardly solvent, but the money is going somewhere, and not on the playing talent out on the (new) pitch. And the money generated from footballing streams - transfers, cup runs, television, sponsorship, is also draining away on other matters. I am not suggesting McCabe is a fiddler here ... the books bear that out and I don't classify him as a crook in any way, shape or form - I just don't think we are in any healthy situation set up to meet 20,000 expectations every other Saturday. And with that level of support, that magnitude of expectations and the demonstrable incompetence shown in equipping the team to do what the fans expect him to do, there's only two options ... stay away from the games as a protest or call for his resignation. He isn't going to put more money into the club and we aren't going to get any better as a team. So we aren't in a position to hope for promotion. That is a dire situation for a team with huge historical legacy in the nation's number one game, a large fan base which may dwindle if success isn't forthcoming and a bitter city rival who is doing better than us.

We are becoming Notts County.

pommpey

The crunch will only come when the owners fall out. Really fall out. God knows what will happen then.

A good time for a stay away would be when we're on Sky, that would be a major embarrassment seeing all those empty seats on the screen. The wider world will see it.

I can't see a big demo doing any good because it will only take a few idiots to send it over the top.

 

[Slim Man]

The only way to get him out is to stop going... while we're still selling 12,000 plus season tickets nothing will change

I'm as much to blame for anyone for that then

 

[Sean Thornton]

Behind the smokescreens and bluster of McCabe stating he would 'sell to the right buyer', you have to ask, what exactly is 'for sale'...
What would a new owner being buying into if they bought into 'Blades Leisure Ltd'.

Not that simple anymore with a co owner. But I'd imagine the job lot ground included.
At the end of the day whatever the conspiracy theorists whip themselves into a frenzy over, the ground was transferred because the Prince wasn't paying for half of it. It really is that simple as McCabe had total control before the asset transfer.

 

[Aston max]

in august 1962 I went with my dad and uncle both passionate blades (both sadly passed now) I was passed over the heads down to the front of john street terrace and within 5 minutes was hooked for life , I have followed the blades home and away for years all through the dark years not so much these days due to health restrictions but never have I seen such passionate hatred of our board I dont think Mccabe is not a passionate fan of the club but it is time he stood away , FOR GODS SAKE KEVIN GET OUT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[grafikhaus]

Absolutely nothing new in this thread that you can't read everyday on here - with the exception of St Neil's tenure reduced to only two years before success - but I have to say I cant remember seeing the name McCabe on the back of the shirt of one of the spineless bastards out there tonight, and I know he wasn't in the dug out.

Abso-fuckin-lootly. It's easy to direct hatred towards McCabe but I shudder to think where we'd be without him. Look, we wanted Adkins out after we finished in the lowest position in thirteen years. Gone. He brought in Wilder who - like Clough and Adkins - received generous approval from most fans. He's allowed Wilder to bring in 7 or 8 new players, with the promise of more to come. The fans, as ever, continue to back the club with incredible numbers and patience. That shite we witnessed with Rochdale and Southend is down to CW, the players he's brought in and his tactics.

If McCabe is guilty of anything, it's hiring people who 'talk a good game' at interview stage.

 

[pommpey]

I'm as much to blame for anyone for that then

Yes, and no. Quite clear to see that the 10% discount was a highly cynical move so McCabe can shift blame onto the fans when they finally get all shouty after him. He'll go on YT telling the evangelists that he'd cut the fans some slack after last year's disappointments yet failing to see that it's £400k out of the fortunes of the club, so bye-bye that recently-released, free-transfer former CL midfielder who is box-to-box, flair, 15 goals per season and takes out their possession stats in the centre of the park. Sure, it might pay his wages for six months, but by then we might not be staring upwards at twenty-odd teams above us with a minus GD. You bought your ST in good faith, despite your misgivings and bought it with the promise that Wilder was coming and with him would be some exciting signings. So how many times has that happened over the past ten years?

You are to blame for making McCabe feel like he is vindicated, but you are not to blame because you are a Blade.

pommpey

 

[Sean Thornton]

Yes, and no. Quite clear to see that the 10% discount was a highly cynical move so McCabe can shift blame onto the fans when they finally get all shouty after him. He'll go on YT telling the evangelists that he'd cut the fans some slack after last year's disappointments yet failing to see that it's £400k out of the fortunes of the club, so bye-bye that recently-released, free-transfer former CL midfielder who is box-to-box, flair, 15 goals per season and takes out their possession stats in the centre of the park. Sure, it might pay his wages for six months, but by then we might not be staring upwards at twenty-odd teams above us with a minus GD. You bought your ST in good faith, despite your misgivings and bought it with the promise that Wilder was coming and with him would be some exciting signings. So how many times has that happened over the past ten years?

You are to blame for making McCabe feel like he is vindicated, but you are not to blame because you are a Blade.

pommpey

Cynical or not, "shifting the blame onto fans" come on. That makes no sense other than as yet another irrelevant stick to beat him with.
He cut prices to keep income up which means he has to put less in. That's the only reason. It seems it's worked and think that's what actually irks you.

 

[Drunk blade]

I'm as much to blame for anyone for that then

The problem is our fans think the answer to the clubs problems is not to try and get mccabe out but to turn up and shout abuse at a 22 year old goalkeeper.

 

[pommpey]

Abso-fuckin-lootly. It's easy to direct hatred towards McCabe but I shudder to think where we'd be without him. Look, we wanted Adkins out after we finished in the lowest position in thirteen years. Gone. He brought in Wilder who - like Clough and Adkins - received generous approval from most fans. He's allowed Wilder to bring in 7 or 8 new players, with the promise of more to come. The fans, as ever, continue to back the club with incredible numbers and patience. That shite we witnessed with Rochdale and Southend is down to CW, the players he's brought in and his tactics.

If McCabe is guilty of anything, it's hiring people who 'talk a good game' at interview stage.

What a crock. There's so many holes in that argument, you sound like one of McCabe's PR men.

Firstly, we are almost at the foot of division three, having had another misfiring start to another dismal season, struggling to maintain any credibility as a former 'big club'. Where would we be without him? I'll ask you. Where ARE we with him?

Secondly, he sacked Clough (obviously over lack of budgetary support and ambition) and paraded Adkins as the new deal. MCCabe did that. He hired Adkins. He also did a good job of turning a man with managerial pedegree into a prize chump. He then sacked him after a shockingly bad season, selling a key player from the former season in the process and licensing Adkins to play players out of position to plug gaps in key areas he'd created.

he's jettisoned most of his playing staff financial liabilities and got Wilder to buy lower ability replacements, and expects CW to work miracles.

And he isn't even bothered to witness his creation, or admit liability for it. And you are weakly mitigating that.

pommpey

 

[Esablade]

Not that simple anymore with a co owner. But I'd imagine the job lot ground included.
At the end of the day whatever the conspiracy theorists whip themselves into a frenzy over, the ground was transferred because the Prince wasn't paying for half of it. It really is that simple as McCabe had total control before the asset transfer.

Actually, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe 'Blades Leisure Ltd' was set up long before Princey came on the scene on the advice of a firm in the city to protect McCabe's asset's/re-structure the businesses ...I believe McCabe's empire was having 'a little wobble' at the time and in debt to the tune of £320 million?

The point being, this 'separation' of the club from the ground/asset's complicate's things for any potential new buyer...what exactly has Princey bought? What does he expect back from his 'investment?
What does McCabe want..£50...£80 million?..who knows...?

I'm sure Big Kev is/was aware of this when he was actively seeking new owners back in 2010 and decided to take these steps...

 

[Bladesman]

The crunch will only come when the owners fall out. Really fall out. God knows what will happen then.

A good time for a stay away would be when we're on Sky, that would be a major embarrassment seeing all those empty seats on the screen. The wider world will see it.

I can't see a big demo doing any good because it will only take a few idiots to send it over the top.

I think they probably have fallen out already as we are back to "cutting our cloth" and "lowering the wage bill" accordingly which is what we were doing before the prince arrived.

 

[BusheyBlade]

What a crock. There's so many holes in that argument, you sound like one of McCabe's PR men.

Firstly, we are almost at the foot of division three, having had another misfiring start to another dismal season, struggling to maintain any credibility as a former 'big club'. Where would we be without him? I'll ask you. Where ARE we with him?

Secondly, he sacked Clough (obviously over lack of budgetary support and ambition) and paraded Adkins as the new deal. MCCabe did that. He hired Adkins. He also did a good job of turning a man with managerial pedegree into a prize chump. He then sacked him after a shockingly bad season, selling a key player from the former season in the process and licensing Adkins to play players out of position to plug gaps in key areas he'd created.

he's jettisoned most of his playing staff financial liabilities and got Wilder to buy lower ability replacements, and expects CW to work miracles.

And he isn't even bothered to witness his creation, or admit liability for it. And you are weakly mitigating that.

pommpey

I think you're right there. The spineless way in which we collapsed in 2012 was also Kev's fault wasn't it? After all, he didn't really ever want us to get promoted did he. I suppose he paid the Huddersfield players to miss their first 3 penalties just to give us some hope and then ensured it stayed equal until everyone got to take a penalty. He then made Simonsen blast his penalty over the bar.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Actually, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe 'Blades Leisure Ltd' was set up long before Princey came on the scene on the advice of a firm in the city to protect McCabe's asset's/re-structure the businesses ...I believe McCabe's empire was having 'a little wobble' at the time and in debt to the tune of £320 million?

The point being, this 'separation' of the club from the ground/asset's complicate's things for any potential new buyer...what exactly has Princey bought? What does he expect back from his 'investment?
What does McCabe want..£50...£80 million?..who knows...?

I'm sure Big Kev is/was aware of this when he was actively seeking new owners back in 2010 and decided to take these steps...

Blades Leisure Limited was incorporated in 2009 and filed dormant accounts up to 2012. Seeing as McCabes empire is mainly through the Scarborough set up, it's highly unlikely that BL was set up because of some wobble there. I understand it was set up for the health club etc in case that was to be transferred out of the plc but the decision was made instead to sell it. An McCurban myth I'd say, and doubt it has any truth in it whatsoever. Thats without even going into transfer of assets because of some wobble.
The Plc didn't even own the share until 2012, and neither did McCabe.

It was actually set up by a standard company incorporation agent not a city firm btw.

 

[Sean Thornton]

As I've said, the ground wasn't transfeered than for any reason other than the Princes investment didn't cover half the value.

Doesn't really complicate matters, just two contracts, one for the ground, one for the shares. What complicates matters is two owners. McCabe has got nothing from the Prince so he's effectively diluted his share of any potential sale proceeds.

HRH has bought shares in the FC for his £14m. That's it.

 

[pommpey]

I think you're right there. The spineless way in which we collapsed in 2012 was also Kev's fault wasn't it? After all, he didn't really ever want us to get promoted did he. I suppose he paid the Huddersfield players to miss their first 3 penalties just to give us some hope and then ensured it stayed equal until everyone got to take a penalty. He then made Simonsen blast his penalty over the bar.

Had we sufficient playing ability in reserve post-Ched, we wouldn't have needed to be in in the fucking playoffs and allowed the pigs to sail past us.

Watching us struggle like fuck to get by Stevenage with a hoofed cross into the box for Porter to chance it, I'd say we were never favourites anyway.

And tell me this, would you say on that sunny day the 120 minutes of football was our finest moment?

Next!

pommpey

 

[StarBlade]

Simple solution, or at least a stepping stone.

Ignore KM, go for the Prince. Buy him out of his 50% stake in the Club (£10 is a 1000% profit, minus capital gains tax), and then KM must deal with this utter rubbish. If he won't fund the club in this scenario as we can't match his millions, then personally, I think it'd be a risk worth taking and bring our problems to the front....just how badly (or good) we are run, just how bad (or good) a business model we are etc and ultimately, may lead to sanctions/fines/points deductions but beyond that, new owners (of course, with a 50% stake we'd be influential).

 

[Esablade]

As I've said, the ground wasn't transfeered than for any reason other than the Princes investment didn't cover half the value.

Doesn't really complicate matters, just two contracts, one for the ground, one for the shares. What complicates matters is two owners. McCabe has got nothing from the Prince so he's effectively diluted his share of any potential sale proceeds.

HRH has bought shares in the FC for his £14m. That's it.

£14m...so what's the value of the ground then?
It seem's that a lot of our trouble's stem from the fact that the 'property' side is much valued/valuable than the footballing side...

 

[Sean Thornton]

About £24m in the accounts but that's cost less depreciation. Someone will have a value for the site, hopefully a surveyor or something, not a window cleaner or burger flipper. The last valuation I saw on here valued properties on the site at about £250k. Which must really be good news for anyone owning a house around John Street.