Blades v Leicester U21s Boycott

[Lawrence]

The JPT was like a mini League Cup for Lg2 and Lg3 clubs, so is the EFL trophy meant to be a new competition or an extension of the JPT competition, and if so does anyone know what the official reason given by the FA for the inclusion of these U21 prem sides?

Why take away this (like) League 2 & 3 cup competition and turn it into 'what?'

I understand our fans wanting to support their team at every opportunity - in every competition (I also do and have done for years) but you have to draw the line somewhere, to be honest 'I CAN'T SEE ANY REASON WHY ANYONE WOULD WANT TO GO TO THIS GAME' it's nothing to do with this so called 'EFL trophy' it's a made up competition imposed on our traditional football clubs to somehow support the aspirations of premier league club kids, most of these kids have voluntarily exiled them selfs from the opportunity hove playing proper 'men's football'

So now 48 lower league clubs must now pamper to the wim of some rediculously stupid idea trumped up by the all mighty F.A. to support WHAT! what is this competition for? I think we all know what it's for, all things football these days runs just for the benefit of the Premier League (clubs £150mil each and the rest live on scraps)

Our football is the envy of the world built on its tradition and values and our governing body don't seem to realise this, but I trust that some supporters do - are you one of these supporters? to support this 'game' would be folly.

I will go to the Walsall game and Grimsby away (two proper teams, with history) but Leicester U21s is taking the piss - echo Grafikhaus

 

[Sharrowblade]

My lads one of the ball boys......I'm refusing to speak to him

 

[larkymasher]

The JPT was like a mini League Cup for Lg2 and Lg3 clubs, so is the EFL trophy meant to be a new competition or an extension of the JPT competition, and if so does anyone know what the official reason given by the FA for the inclusion of these U21 prem sides?

Why take away this (like) League 2 & 3 cup competition and turn it into 'what?'

I understand our fans wanting to support their team at every opportunity - in every competition (I also do and have done for years) but you have to draw the line somewhere, to be honest 'I CAN'T SEE ANY REASON WHY ANYONE WOULD WANT TO GO TO THIS GAME' it's nothing to do with this so called 'EFL trophy' it's a made up competition imposed on our traditional football clubs to somehow support the aspirations of premier league club kids, most of these kids have voluntarily exiled them selfs from the opportunity hove playing proper 'men's football'

So now 48 lower league clubs must now pamper to the wim of some rediculously stupid idea trumped up by the all mighty F.A. to support WHAT! what is this competition for? I think we all know what it's for, all things football these days runs just for the benefit of the Premier League (clubs £150mil each and the rest live on scraps)

Our football is the envy of the world built on its tradition and values and our governing body don't seem to realise this, but I trust that some supporters do - are you one of these supporters? to support this 'game' would be folly.

I will go to the Walsall game and Grimsby away (two proper teams, with history) but Leicester U21s is taking the piss - echo Grafikhaus

As I said earlier, if you don't want to go then don't. 6 paragraphs of the same old.

If we play some academy lads making a debut for our club then I will go to support them. Our club only has itself to blame for us being in this competition.

I fully understand why you won't go and that is fine. Opinions!

 

[Leonardo Green]

As I said earlier, if you don't want to go then don't. 6 paragraphs of the same old.

If we play some academy lads making a debut for our club then I will go to support them. Our club only has itself to blame for us being in this competition.

I fully understand why you won't go and that is fine. Opinions!

I bet you're a Corbyn supporter.

 

[Davie Blade]

I'd sooner lick Highbury_Blade's shower cubicle.

Is that an euphemism?

 

[Longtimesupporter]

if he puts out our first team and they lose to Leicesters kids that could screw up their confidence and they have a confidence problem at the moment. If they win its still only Leciesters kids so it wont be a big deal. Fans should boycott, club should boycott its a disgrace.

Like he did against Crewe

 

[JohnDenver]

Is that an euphemism?

It's not....

http://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/pissing-in-the-shower.48308/#post-1073559

 

[larkymasher]

I bet you're a Corbyn supporter.

I like an easy life as is possible pal

 

[PeteBlade]

It was a yearly sense of embarrassment that we have to be involved in this nothing competition before all the latest insulting wank they've added to it.

 

[Linz]

I think United probably view it that taking a nominal fine is better than risking injury to one of our first team players and potentially affecting our chances in the league.

Sheffield United's board, in their wisdom, voted in favour of this bag of shite.

I shan't be going.

 

[mattbianco1]

I guess this won't happen, but if Leicester chose to play their first eleven would they be punished by the football league?

"Each Invited Club must ensure that in each Match at least 6 of the starting eleven players named on the Team Sheet are players who were aged under 21 as at the 30th June in the year in which the Season concerned commenced."

Looking at their First Team Squad - Only Bartosz Kapustka is U/21, so they are free to play him + 5 other first teamers. Basically, if they wanted they could line up like this

U/21
U/21 - U/21 - U/21 - U/21
Drinkwater
Mahrez - Okazaki - Kaputska
Vardy - Ulloa

​

 

[larkymasher]

There's nothing wrong with organising ourselves. Of course it's up to each individual what they do - nobody is forced to take part in a boycott - but the aim is to make a statement by our actions, and that only works if we coordinate.

Go to the match if you want to - it's your choice - but be clear that if you do so you are supporting the EFL's aim of getting B teams into the lower divisions. That may not be your aim, but that is how the EFL will use any evidence of increased attendances, either in EFL Trophy matches against B Teams, or in the 2016/17 EFL Trophy as a whole.

You are entitled to make you're point and organise yourself but I certainly don't need you to make clear about any points of this issue and make no mistake pal I am very capable of organising myself...

 

[larkymasher]

"Each Invited Club must ensure that in each Match at least 6 of the starting eleven players named on the Team Sheet are players who were aged under 21 as at the 30th June in the year in which the Season concerned commenced."

Looking at their First Team Squad - Only Bartosz Kapustka is U/21, so they are free to play him + 5 other first teamers. Basically, if they wanted they could line up like this

U/21
U/21 - U/21 - U/21 - U/21
Drinkwater
Mahrez - Okazaki - Kaputska
Vardy - Ulloa

​

Well worth going to watch then

 

[Linz]

You are entitled to make you're point and organise yourself but I certainly don't need you to make clear about any points of this issue and make no mistake pal I am very capable of organising myself...

Fair dos... bit aggressive no?

 

[larkymasher]

Fair dos... bit aggressive no?

Really? I don't think so

 

[mattbianco1]

Be interesting to see what effect this has on some of the other clubs attendance figures.

For Example - Newport are at Home to Wimbledon but they will also host Swansea City. You'd expect that would draw a big crowd.

 

[Linz]

This is part of a transcript of the EFL Chairman's speech at the Supporters' Summit: http://www.againstleague3.co.uk/ianlenaganspeech/


If you move on to The EFL Trophy, the old Johnstone’s Paint Trophy, it’s significant that after 10 years, the sponsor withdrew. You may or may not be aware that the view from The Football League clubs particularly The EFL clubs, is that as far as The Trophy is concerned, you either want to go out in the First Round so you don’t have many fixtures, or else you want to get to the final.

Speaking as a director of Oxford United who got the Final next year, it is very beneficial to get to the Final because the vast majority of the money, the [inaudible] are at finals level. So there is a mixed view. In terms of the last couple of years, attendances are down by 18% particularly in the early rounds. Income from gate receipts is down by 15% – it’s tired, it needs a refresh of some description. Or else it might possibly not survive. [Mod note: so the suggestion earlier is that it's this or nowt sounds about right] And that might solve some fixture congestion issues. [ Mod note: you admit that there are fixture congestion issues so you put more games into this competition than there were before?!] So the two things have some relative relationship in that respect.

But at the current moment it needs strong re invigoration and one of the reasons for inviting Category One Academy Teams to enter in to it, is that re invigoration. Do we know whether a League 2 club rather than play against an Academy Side of a Premier League or a Championship side or not? That answer is no we don’t currently. Opinions are moving around a large amount. But the clubs decided by a vote of 15-6 and 15-8 in favour that in League 1 and League 2 and the Championship because they’re not involved in the Trophy we’ll go along with whatever L1 + L2 decided. So it was a fairly strong majority to go forward with this one year trial and that is all it is: a one year trial.

The reasons behind it, re invigoration first of all. Secondly the whole player development question of young players, and within the rules of the EFL Trophy a minimum of 6 U21 players and 5 senior players. That’s the structure that will have to play in the competition.

What will that do? That will improve the opportunities for young players to play against men. To play competitive games which is to the benefit of the clubs themselves if you’re interested in home grown players coming through but it’s also to the benefit of England, as a team. And by God we need that benefit don’t we? [Mod note: No, fuck 'em. Plus, those U21 players don't actually have to be English!]

So those are two of the reasons that The EFL clubs decided it was worth a one year experiment, And that’s all it is, it is a one year experiment, That’s all it is, it is a one year experiment and it may get killed at the end of that one year because the full review that’s done, at the end of that process is when the decision will be taken.

It obviously 64 clubs, organised on a 16 groups of four, with at least at least one Championship, League 1 and League 2 club in each of those groups, and there various other details associated with it. There are 24 Category One Academy clubs from which we need to get 16, and next week will see the announcement on which of the 16 teams are going to be in The EFL Trophy. We’re waiting for one or two other things to happen but we have the 16 already, and it’s just a case of some of the others deciding, and it’s in a priority order of the 24 clubs that the invitations have been issued.

That’s the EFL Trophy issue.

 

[sheepbridge]

I really don't see what the EFL get out of this, except a bit of cash.
Most matches will be even more poorly attended then normal, at lot of fans of clubs in divisions 2 and 3 are unhappy and some might even protest against them and how embarrassing would it be if the final is played between Reading U21s and Watford U21s in front of a few thousand?
And what would that say about the state of the EFL?

This is much more about testing to see if U21s would be acceptable in the lower tiers than it has to do with enhancing this competition, which has always been a joke but did at least afford the opportunity for lower league teams to get to Wembley.

 

[Rodders]

Fair dos... bit aggressive no?

I think he means he's just dead good at admin.

 

[UnitedBlade]

Well it looks like I won't be boycotting the game.

The club has decided I'm going and has already taken money off my credit card.

Just waiting for my letter from the club:

"Dear Supporter, you fucking well are going we've already got your money."

And no, I'm not and never have been part of the automatic cup ticket scheme.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Would we get penalised by FL if we play our U21's.

 

[larkymasher]

This is part of a transcript of the EFL Chairman's speech at the Supporters' Summit: http://www.againstleague3.co.uk/ianlenaganspeech/


If you move on to The EFL Trophy, the old Johnstone’s Paint Trophy, it’s significant that after 10 years, the sponsor withdrew. You may or may not be aware that the view from The Football League clubs particularly The EFL clubs, is that as far as The Trophy is concerned, you either want to go out in the First Round so you don’t have many fixtures, or else you want to get to the final.

Speaking as a director of Oxford United who got the Final next year, it is very beneficial to get to the Final because the vast majority of the money, the [inaudible] are at finals level. So there is a mixed view. In terms of the last couple of years, attendances are down by 18% particularly in the early rounds. Income from gate receipts is down by 15% – it’s tired, it needs a refresh of some description. Or else it might possibly not survive. [Mod note: so the suggestion earlier is that it's this or nowt sounds about right] And that might solve some fixture congestion issues. [ Mod note: you admit that there are fixture congestion issues so you put more games into this competition than there were before?!] So the two things have some relative relationship in that respect.

But at the current moment it needs strong re invigoration and one of the reasons for inviting Category One Academy Teams to enter in to it, is that re invigoration. Do we know whether a League 2 club rather than play against an Academy Side of a Premier League or a Championship side or not? That answer is no we don’t currently. Opinions are moving around a large amount. But the clubs decided by a vote of 15-6 and 15-8 in favour that in League 1 and League 2 and the Championship because they’re not involved in the Trophy we’ll go along with whatever L1 + L2 decided. So it was a fairly strong majority to go forward with this one year trial and that is all it is: a one year trial.

The reasons behind it, re invigoration first of all. Secondly the whole player development question of young players, and within the rules of the EFL Trophy a minimum of 6 U21 players and 5 senior players. That’s the structure that will have to play in the competition.

What will that do? That will improve the opportunities for young players to play against men. To play competitive games which is to the benefit of the clubs themselves if you’re interested in home grown players coming through but it’s also to the benefit of England, as a team. And by God we need that benefit don’t we? [Mod note: No, fuck 'em. Plus, those U21 players don't actually have to be English!]

So those are two of the reasons that The EFL clubs decided it was worth a one year experiment, And that’s all it is, it is a one year experiment, That’s all it is, it is a one year experiment and it may get killed at the end of that one year because the full review that’s done, at the end of that process is when the decision will be taken.

It obviously 64 clubs, organised on a 16 groups of four, with at least at least one Championship, League 1 and League 2 club in each of those groups, and there various other details associated with it. There are 24 Category One Academy clubs from which we need to get 16, and next week will see the announcement on which of the 16 teams are going to be in The EFL Trophy. We’re waiting for one or two other things to happen but we have the 16 already, and it’s just a case of some of the others deciding, and it’s in a priority order of the 24 clubs that the invitations have been issued.

That’s the EFL Trophy issue.

This is all to test the cat 1 academy u21s against men, as is mentioned above.

I think if Sufc came out and saidyep that's what we are using these 3 games for and we will take any fine on the chin because it will give Semple, Ramsdale, Kelly, Kamani Smith, Gorden, Gilmoor, Hallam all the chance to play men and a chance to shove it up Liecester u21s then it might get some interest.

I for one would be at every game to see what's coming through

 

[Linz]

This is all to test the cat 1 academy u21s against men, as is mentioned above.

We had this. It was called the Pontins Central Reserve League. It was free to watch for season ticket holders and teams were free to field whichever team they wanted.

 

[Blade56]

Didn't go last night and won't go to the leicester game either. nerver been to a JPT game anyway, but certainly won't go now... and i'll probably be away anyhow, like last night

That's a "No" then Swizzler?

 

[JohnDenver]

Really? I don't think so

There's something about the use of the word "pal" directed at a stranger which makes people sound like a lunatic Glaswegian wielding a flick-knife.

 

[SwissBlade]

That's a "No" then Swizzler?

Stick me down as a 'maybe'

 

[Blade56]

buy ticket, don't go

Buy ticket, go, walk out at start

Shite! I thought it was the JPT last night so not been bothered, didn't even listen. What a load of EFL wank, Always enjoyed the League Cup.

FYI we lost 1-2

I'm the only one to have said I am going at the moment. You can arrange a car park demonstration against me before the game if you want.

Can't hear you everyone's put you on ignore

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

What we should do is boycott this game so the crowd is sub 500

My lads one of the ball boys......I'm refusing to speak to him

By the time you take account of friends and relatives of the players / management / ball boys, and then add in the absolute die-hards who will never miss a game, plus whatever Leicester bring, you're probably at or around 500 already. A given attendance of even, say, 1,500, would be really misleading.

According to the united site it's called the Checkatrade trophy now

Checkmyarse Trophy, more like.

 

[Linz]

Checked my online account. My ticket is helpfully reserved for me in a stand which isn't even open.

No ta.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

You are entitled to make you're point and organise yourself but I certainly don't need you to make clear about any points of this issue and make no mistake pal I am very capable of organising myself...

He's right though when he says "if you [go to the game] you are supporting the EFL's aim of getting B teams into the lower divisions".