CONFIRMED Che Adams

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Ricky said:
The reason we don't question it more is because most of us accept that McCabe simply isn't willing to spend like he used to - as nonsensical as that is. Because as you say, he'd have much more to gain by getting promoted. And that could've been all but ensured every single season we've been down here by just spending a little bit more.
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Or here's a radical idea: have a 2 year plan for spending decent money rather than cutting the budget after 12 to 15 months.
 

Revolution said:
Like happened to Jamie Murphy last year? Oh no, it didn't.

I know you're aMcCabe disciple and there's nothing we can do and all that shit, but if he's fit, and Wilder wants him, he should play.

Oh, and as its Brum, I hope that money is all coming up front, because if Carson Yeung gets acquitted in the autumn that club is going to be a mess. Adams is poorly advised if he wants to go there, actually.
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Of course.... Because it didn't happen last time it certainly won't happen this time will it?

Looking forward to the meltdown when che does go and ends up like Jordan Slew.
 
S5Blade said:
Of course.... Because it didn't happen last time it certainly won't happen this time will it?

Looking forward to the meltdown when che does go and ends up like Jordan Slew.
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The meltdown will come when the money is not spent on good players.

You keep waving the white flag, and keep enjoying league one whilst McCabe deigns to fund that.
 
Newbury Blade said:
We paid off Hammond and Diego.
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I thought we just released Diego? Plus even if we did his wages wouldn't be a quarter of Woodfords.
I think we've only paid Hammond off, I'm indifferent about paying players off, I haven't made my mind up how I feel about it yet. I want them out of the way is CW doesn't want them, and I'd let them go for free, but would any of you use up part of our budget on paying Freeman, Coutts and both Wallace's off?
 
Cerberus Blade said:
You see, I think we are all guilty of falling into this trap. Let me give a brief analogy...

Have you ever heard of "conditioning" as applied to psychology? In brief, it's a way of controlling responses to stimuli. If a certain stimuli always brings about a certain response - then after a while we become conditioned to expect it - and we do so, without questioning or challenging it. We have become "conditioned" to accept that when A happens, B follows - even though it needn't do necessarily.

This is how it is with Sheffield United and the sale of players. Since the 05/06 season, (the last time we were going in an upward direction) McCabe has ensured that he covers the cost of any players coming into the club, by the sales of outgoing players. It's 10 years now since we last spent more on players than we made from selling them. This isn't an accident - it's a deliberate policy. Let's be clear about that for a start. It's also a disastrous one as well as our 6th season in League 1 testifies. He runs the club on a shoestring (see my other thread entitled "Ever wondered why it's taken so long") and he asset strips the club of its best players every season.

What McCabe has done very well is fool the majority of us into thinking that the sale of players is necessary in order to fund the incoming players. It isn't. And not only that, but he's taken the illusion to another level because having sold players he's then not used those funds for incoming players in any case!

But here we are again today and you and I and most Blades have, to some extent, swallowed the argument that we have to sell players (like Che Adams), in order to release funds to allow us to finish building the squad. We don't. How much do we need to sign these 2 or 3 players to finish off the squad? £1M? £1.5M? maybe £2M? McCabe and his cronies have the financial capability to bridge that gap easily. But let's assume for a moment that they don't...then someone else will. Someone else will put up that kind of money in a flash, because what you have to look at is how big an increase in revenue would promotion bring? And it's massive. Huge! Apart from increased gate receipts you've got increased TV money and all that goes with it. The extra investment needed now to complete this squad is peanuts compared to the additional revenues we would gain from getting promotion. So, why doesn't McCabe do that then?

Because he is in Sheffield United for one thing. To make money out of it. And he can do that very nicely from asset stripping the squad every season, conning the fans into thinking this has to be done, when in fact it doesn't, and making a nice few bob out of the player sales without taking any further risks on his capital.

And we all sit here not questioning it - because it's what we've done now for years - and so we are used to it.
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Sorry sir but as a Sheff Utd shareholder, whom is sent the annual returns every year I can not buy that argument. McCabe is not in charge to make money out of the football club. I believe that he wants the best for SUFC but just hasn't quite managed it.

Another point, SUFC owed McCabe 30-40M when the prince arrived. KM waived this debt for the princes arrival and to get the prince on board. Further more, he knew he couldn't sustain the club and needed help so he got investment in the form of a Saudi prince.
 
S11Blade said:
Sorry sir but as a Sheff Utd shareholder, whom is sent the annual returns every year I can not buy that argument. McCabe is not in charge to make money out of the football club. I believe that he wants the best for SUFC but just hasn't quite managed it.

Another point, SUFC owed McCabe 30-40M when the prince arrived. KM waived this debt for the princes arrival and to get the prince on board. Further more, he knew he couldn't sustain the club and needed help so he got investment in the form of a Saudi prince.
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He also took sole ownership of the ground and the hotel, don't forget that.
 
From the pig end said:
I thought we just released Diego? Plus even if we did his wages wouldn't be a quarter of Woodfords.
I think we've only paid Hammond off, I'm indifferent about paying players off, I haven't made my mind up how I feel about it yet. I want them out of the way is CW doesn't want them, and I'd let them go for free, but would any of you use up part of our budget on paying Freeman, Coutts and both Wallace's off?
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I'd pay Woolford off out of my own pocket.
 
Cerberus Blade said:
You see, I think we are all guilty of falling into this trap. Let me give a brief analogy...

Have you ever heard of "conditioning" as applied to psychology? In brief, it's a way of controlling responses to stimuli. If a certain stimuli always brings about a certain response - then after a while we become conditioned to expect it - and we do so, without questioning or challenging it. We have become "conditioned" to accept that when A happens, B follows - even though it needn't do necessarily.

This is how it is with Sheffield United and the sale of players. Since the 05/06 season, (the last time we were going in an upward direction) McCabe has ensured that he covers the cost of any players coming into the club, by the sales of outgoing players. It's 10 years now since we last spent more on players than we made from selling them. This isn't an accident - it's a deliberate policy. Let's be clear about that for a start. It's also a disastrous one as well as our 6th season in League 1 testifies. He runs the club on a shoestring (see my other thread entitled "Ever wondered why it's taken so long") and he asset strips the club of its best players every season.

What McCabe has done very well is fool the majority of us into thinking that the sale of players is necessary in order to fund the incoming players. It isn't. And not only that, but he's taken the illusion to another level because having sold players he's then not used those funds for incoming players in any case!

But here we are again today and you and I and most Blades have, to some extent, swallowed the argument that we have to sell players (like Che Adams), in order to release funds to allow us to finish building the squad. We don't. How much do we need to sign these 2 or 3 players to finish off the squad? £1M? £1.5M? maybe £2M? McCabe and his cronies have the financial capability to bridge that gap easily. But let's assume for a moment that they don't...then someone else will. Someone else will put up that kind of money in a flash, because what you have to look at is how big an increase in revenue would promotion bring? And it's massive. Huge! Apart from increased gate receipts you've got increased TV money and all that goes with it. The extra investment needed now to complete this squad is peanuts compared to the additional revenues we would gain from getting promotion. So, why doesn't McCabe do that then?

Because he is in Sheffield United for one thing. To make money out of it. And he can do that very nicely from asset stripping the squad every season, conning the fans into thinking this has to be done, when in fact it doesn't, and making a nice few bob out of the player sales without taking any further risks on his capital.

And we all sit here not questioning it - because it's what we've done now for years - and so we are used to it.
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Eloquently put but the substance is worthless. Some numpties may be conditioned by the populist appeal of words like "cronies" and "asset-stripping". Others know the reality of running a professional football club.

The simple fact is that KM and his family have dedicated, quite literally, a fortune, to our club. He can never hope to recover even a fraction unless we get to the Premier League, at which point he would deserve every penny and more. No amount of catchphrases will alter that, but doubtless people like you, very adept at spending other people's money, will continue to try.

For those tempted to lap it up: Don't. It's bollocks.
 
S11Blade said:
Sorry sir but as a Sheff Utd shareholder, whom is sent the annual returns every year I can not buy that argument. McCabe is not in charge to make money out of the football club. I believe that he wants the best for SUFC but just hasn't quite managed it.

Another point, SUFC owed McCabe 30-40M when the prince arrived. KM waived this debt for the princes arrival and to get the prince on board. Further more, he knew he couldn't sustain the club and needed help so he got investment in the form of a Saudi prince.
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True...but realistically McCabe had zero chance of recovering any of that 30-40M 'investment' without shifting the ownership of certain assets such as the ground, hotel, academy from the football club into his property portfolio, which he did...thus devaluing the the club for any potential investor and making his current valuation of ( insert multi-million pound figure) ludicrous...no wonder he can't find a suitable buyer'!

So it's not quite the one way street you portray...and you could argue that the reason the club's value has devalued to such an extent and he was unable to get his 'investment' back was down to his bad management and, of course, 'bad luck'

The football club is currently leasing the ground back from Scarborough holdings at around £300k a year...and I'm sure this figure would rise upon promotion...
 
judge said:
How many times have you posted this now ?
A dozen ?
Twenty ?
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Drivel must not go unchallenged. Otherwise it becomes the accepted wisdom, if repeated often enough.

As long as people keep promulgating nonsense, I'll respond on behalf of reality. It's a tough job and requires dedication but, luckily, I'm up to it.
 
Pinchy said:
The simple fact is that KM and his family have dedicated, quite literally, a fortune, to our club. He can never hope to recover even a fraction unless we get to the Premier League, at which point he would deserve every penny and more.
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Without question McCabe has propped the club up financially for the last 10 years of failure.

But, as the Chairman of Sheffield United throughout this time, who should he blame for this?
 
Deadly_D'Jaffo said:
Without question McCabe has propped the club up financially for the last 10 years of failure.

But, as the Chairman of Sheffield United throughout this time, who should he blame for this?
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It's a rhetorical question and I entirely agree with the point you make. He has made many major errors, not least failing to realise that Ol' Big Nose would be hopelessly out of his depth in the top flight and not sacking Semi-Pro publicly on the pitch at half-time against Burnley.

The suggestions, however, that he does not have the best interests of SUFC right at the centre of his heart are so ludicrous (or malicious in some cases) as to say a great deal more about those making the suggestions than about our chairman.
 

Revolution said:
Like happened to Jamie Murphy last year? Oh no, it didn't.

I know you're aMcCabe disciple and there's nothing we can do and all that shit, but if he's fit, and Wilder wants him, he should play.
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Murphy had a stormer on the opening day at Gillingham.

Don't think Wilder does want him.
 
Esablade said:
True...but realistically McCabe had zero chance of recovering any of that 30-40M 'investment' without shifting the ownership of certain assets such as the ground, hotel, academy from the football club into his property portfolio, which he did...thus devaluing the the club for any potential investor and making his current valuation of ( insert multi-million pound figure) ludicrous...no wonder he can't find a suitable buyer'!

So it's not quite the one way street you portray...and you could argue that the reason the club's value has devalued to such an extent and he was unable to get his 'investment' back was down to his bad management and, of course, 'bad luck'

The football club is currently leasing the ground back from Scarborough holdings at around £300k a year...and I'm sure this figure would rise upon promotion...
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I have no idea about financial going on's at the Lane. But what I do know is McCabe is a Blade a fan just like all of us. I really believe he has our best interests at heart.
Yes he's made mistakes some big, but he's made those decisions with the best intentions of the Blades in mind.
Dont forget hindsight is a wonderful thing.
He might have transferred the Ground etc to protect them against incoming investors.
Maybe he has to charge the rent for legal/financial reasons, is 300k excessive for a property the size of the lane ?
McCabe/Scarborough could be giving the money back by spend the 300k rent on the up keep of the lane.
 
Broomhall Blade said:
I have no idea about financial going on's at the Lane. But what I do know is McCabe is a Blade a fan just like all of us. I really believe he has our best interests at heart.
Yes he's made mistakes some big, but he's made those decisions with the best intentions of the Blades in mind.
Dont forget hindsight is a wonderful thing.
He might have transferred the Ground etc to protect them against incoming investors.
Maybe he has to charge the rent for legal/financial reasons, is 300k excessive for a property the size of the lane ?
McCabe/Scarborough could be giving the money back by spend the 300k rent on the up keep of the lane.
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Yep I agree that he has the club's best intentions at heart and that he's done an enormous amount for the club in the past and I don't dispute he's a massive Blades fan.

Still, how many years can we keep going on repeating 'mistakes'?

The problem is where do we go in the future....what happens when Princey stops sharing the debt?

McCabe has stated many times that he'd like to sell the his part of the club, Bladesleisure...This is proving difficult partly, I'd suggest because of McCabe 'protecting us from assets strippers' by shifting the assets into his other companies as Pinchy posted above...and McCabe's valuation of what is a loss making club
 
£1.9m it is then. Hmm. Not bad, far more than his worth so it's a good deal but a lot less than many were expecting with the Newcastle interest.
 
Pinchy said:
It's a rhetorical question and I entirely agree with the point you make. He has made many major errors, not least failing to realise that Ol' Big Nose would be hopelessly out of his depth in the top flight and not sacking Semi-Pro publicly on the pitch at half-time against Burnley.

The suggestions, however, that he does not have the best interests of SUFC right at the centre of his heart are so ludicrous (or malicious in some cases) as to say a great deal more about those making the suggestions than about our chairman.
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Completely agree. He's made some stinking decisions as a Chairman but never shirked accountability for them.
 
Barney said:
£1.9m it is then. Hmm. Not bad, far more than his worth so it's a good deal but a lot less than many were expecting with the Newcastle interest.
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and after seeing Newcastle on the box last night with all those high value signings, they might have been better pursuing their interest in him. They looked pretty shit imo
 

My feelings are we should focus on the fee and treat the 'add ons' as a bonus. If he hits the form to qualify for the add ons then his value would have soared far more if we hung onto him. So lets cut the bullshit and talk value now and not 'ifs and buts'.
 
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