CONFIRMED Che Adams

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No and I don't think he will go. This sort of reminds me of Lee Morris and Jordan Slew with the manager bigging them up and bluffing as to how much they want to keep them with a view to having the buying club's pants down. I think Tufty has overplayed his hand which means that Adams has to deliver before January or we are left with a dud. IMHO
 
Snowman said:
No and I don't think he will go. This sort of reminds me of Lee Morris and Jordan Slew with the manager bigging them up and bluffing as to how much they want to keep them with a view to having the buying club's pants down. I think Tufty has overplayed his hand which means that Adams has to deliver before January or we are left with a dud. IMHO
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I think he's gone to Brum mate...mebbe Che and Mcnuts were having farewell drinks the other night?
 
Lord Bos of Eckington. said:
18 points . Bolton on Saturday sets the benchmark.

Don't think any of us are really buzzing as previous seasons. , due to seen it , been there , got the tee shirt of being let down .

However , we can't get any worst could we .
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We most certainly could.
I genuinely fear for us without a decent Keeper,solid CB pairing and a midfield with bite,creativity and pace.

Fingers crossed.
 
Lord Bos of Eckington. said:
18 points . Bolton on Saturday sets the benchmark.

Don't think any of us are really buzzing as previous seasons. , due to seen it , been there , got the tee shirt of being let down .

However , we can't get any worst could we .
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Don't think it's a bad thing not to be really buzzin, I'll fuckin love it if we tonk Notlob tomorrow, but equally, not going to get over upset if we have a slow / dodgy start. Might take a while to get a head of steam up , like it did even when were in Div 4 (wasn't it Oct/November before we were in top 2?) , and like it did for Wigan last season. UTMB!
 
TC's Magic Boots said:
I don't understand all the negative comments regarding Adams really. All this 'he's only looked average' and 'doesn't look interested' are contradictory for me. He's a young lad who in all honesty is only a couple of seasons out of non league football and coupled with having quite possibly the worst Blades manager in living memory last season, is it any wonder he wasn't performing when he couldn't get a regular star for some of the season. He's young, he's learning and he will improve. I haven't seen him in the pre season games but I can't see anywhere that says he has been poor and on a few occasions people have said he has looked far better than last year. Don't get me wrong, if selling benefits the squad then no player is unsellable, but to a club like Birmingham and for the price being mentioned ?? Don't forget there will also be a fee to Ilkeston too. £2M isn't enough for Adams in the present climate if players such as Roofe are going for £3M. Let's not just sell to the first concrete offer, we have done that all too often before.
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Seems he had one or two disciplinary issues last season and since then some fans think he's some massive tear away. Bottom line is some people know football better than others but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I think you are bang on with the contradictions you mentioned. I've watched Che very closely, more so last season, when he had more game time and all I saw was a very raw young man in a state of learning. Sometimes the crowd lacked patience with him which frustrated the hell out of me because he was trying so let the lad fucking try and let him learn.
CW has recently praised the young lads attitude and performances anyway So that'll do for me. I want him to stay, get to level we know he's capable of and then we can sell him for even bigger bucks;)
 
BladeInIreland said:
how many games till we sign those? If at all
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I heard the same last year. "Jamie Murphy is overrated and the money will go to Adkins to strengthen the squad and get the new keeper, defenders and midfielders that we need".

We got David Edgar on loan.

Most clubs - well, clubs who know what they are doing - are not looking to offload good players after the season starts. It's disruptive. They want to get rid of their non first team rubbish and youngsters.

So unless we get a good loanee in - who of course won't be our player - don't expect quality players to come flooding through the door. Mind you, as Blades fans, you shouldn't expect any different.
 
TC's Magic Boots said:
I don't understand all the negative comments regarding Adams really. All this 'he's only looked average' and 'doesn't look interested' are contradictory for me. He's a young lad who in all honesty is only a couple of seasons out of non league football and coupled with having quite possibly the worst Blades manager in living memory last season, is it any wonder he wasn't performing when he couldn't get a regular star for some of the season. He's young, he's learning and he will improve. I haven't seen him in the pre season games but I can't see anywhere that says he has been poor and on a few occasions people have said he has looked far better than last year. Don't get me wrong, if selling benefits the squad then no player is unsellable, but to a club like Birmingham and for the price being mentioned ?? Don't forget there will also be a fee to Ilkeston too. £2M isn't enough for Adams in the present climate if players such as Roofe are going for £3M. Let's not just sell to the first concrete offer, we have done that all too often before.
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Some sensible comments there pal, but let me just take issue with a couple of things you said. First of all, no player is perfect, but, you do expect certain things of someone who purports to be a "professional" footballer. You expect, surely, that they can trap or control a ball with one touch? I could do that 99% of the time when I was playing - and I wasn't much more than a pub league player - so no matter how "young" he is, or what club he came from, I'm sorry, but yes I do expect him to be able to control a ball. The fact that he can't, to me, is really very surprising and I don't think that's being negative, it's just being factual.

I think he has looked outstanding on some occasions, like the big Cup games on telly, and when he first came into the team. He looked pacy and willing to do things most other players have had coached out of them. But, after the initial flash of promise under Clough, he never really reproduced it again for Clough and frequently made poor decisions on the ball - which is why Clough didn't start him very regularly. He actually had a lot more opportunity under Adkins - so you can't use that as an excuse, but he still leaves many of us scratching our heads about him. Sure, he's only a couple of seasons into professional football - but let's not keep using his age as an excuse for what we are seeing. We've made the same excuses for George Long too - saying..."awww, leave him alone, he's only young". Facts are, if they are good players you will see the evidence of that regardless of age. And with Che Adams I think we are still wondering. He's definitely got some ability - but his first touch is terrible, he frequently makes poor decisions in possession and (sorry to suggest this, but it's what I think truthfully...) the kid seems to have some attitude problem. He doesn't look half as fit as he was when we first signed him - and if he's not looking after himself well now - then what's he going to be like a bit further down the line when he's had even more money to indulge himself with?

I agree with your comments about not selling too cheaply though. But I'd definitely sell him for upwards of £2m - I don't even think he's worth that tbh. Not based on the evidence so far.
 
Revolution said:
I heard the same last year. "Jamie Murphy is overrated and the money will go to Adkins to strengthen the squad and get the new keeper, defenders and midfielders that we need".

We got David Edgar on loan.

Most clubs - well, clubs who know what they are doing - are not looking to offload good players after the season starts. It's disruptive. They want to get rid of their non first team rubbish and youngsters.

So unless we get a good loanee in - who of course won't be our player - don't expect quality players to come flooding through the door. Mind you, as Blades fans, you shouldn't expect any different.
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Yep, I for one was okay with Murphy's sale becuase the team clearly wasn't good enough, and that investment was needed elsewhere.

You were right, I was wrong - nothing was reinvested and we weren't good enough.

I won't judge an Adams sale until we've conducted all our business. If it's a repeat of the Murphy deal then we're still at square one, making the same mistakes.

UTB
 
alcoblade said:
Yep, I for one was okay with Murphy's sale becuase the team clearly wasn't good enough, and that investment was needed elsewhere.

You were right, I was wrong - nothing was reinvested and we weren't good enough.

I won't judge an Adams sale until we've conducted all our business. If it's a repeat of the Murphy deal then we're still at square one, making the same mistakes.

UTB
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You see, I think we are all guilty of falling into this trap. Let me give a brief analogy...

Have you ever heard of "conditioning" as applied to psychology? In brief, it's a way of controlling responses to stimuli. If a certain stimuli always brings about a certain response - then after a while we become conditioned to expect it - and we do so, without questioning or challenging it. We have become "conditioned" to accept that when A happens, B follows - even though it needn't do necessarily.

This is how it is with Sheffield United and the sale of players. Since the 05/06 season, (the last time we were going in an upward direction) McCabe has ensured that he covers the cost of any players coming into the club, by the sales of outgoing players. It's 10 years now since we last spent more on players than we made from selling them. This isn't an accident - it's a deliberate policy. Let's be clear about that for a start. It's also a disastrous one as well as our 6th season in League 1 testifies. He runs the club on a shoestring (see my other thread entitled "Ever wondered why it's taken so long") and he asset strips the club of its best players every season.

What McCabe has done very well is fool the majority of us into thinking that the sale of players is necessary in order to fund the incoming players. It isn't. And not only that, but he's taken the illusion to another level because having sold players he's then not used those funds for incoming players in any case!

But here we are again today and you and I and most Blades have, to some extent, swallowed the argument that we have to sell players (like Che Adams), in order to release funds to allow us to finish building the squad. We don't. How much do we need to sign these 2 or 3 players to finish off the squad? £1M? £1.5M? maybe £2M? McCabe and his cronies have the financial capability to bridge that gap easily. But let's assume for a moment that they don't...then someone else will. Someone else will put up that kind of money in a flash, because what you have to look at is how big an increase in revenue would promotion bring? And it's massive. Huge! Apart from increased gate receipts you've got increased TV money and all that goes with it. The extra investment needed now to complete this squad is peanuts compared to the additional revenues we would gain from getting promotion. So, why doesn't McCabe do that then?

Because he is in Sheffield United for one thing. To make money out of it. And he can do that very nicely from asset stripping the squad every season, conning the fans into thinking this has to be done, when in fact it doesn't, and making a nice few bob out of the player sales without taking any further risks on his capital.

And we all sit here not questioning it - because it's what we've done now for years - and so we are used to it.
 
Cerberus Blade said:
You see, I think we are all guilty of falling into this trap. Let me give a brief analogy...

Have you ever heard of "conditioning" as applied to psychology? In brief, it's a way of controlling responses to stimuli. If a certain stimuli always brings about a certain response - then after a while we become conditioned to expect it - and we do so, without questioning or challenging it. We have become "conditioned" to accept that when A happens, B follows - even though it needn't do necessarily.

This is how it is with Sheffield United and the sale of players. Since the 05/06 season, (the last time we were going in an upward direction) McCabe has ensured that he covers the cost of any players coming into the club, by the sales of outgoing players. It's 10 years now since we last spent more on players than we made from selling them. This isn't an accident - it's a deliberate policy. Let's be clear about that for a start. It's also a disastrous one as well as our 6th season in League 1 testifies. He runs the club on a shoestring (see my other thread entitled "Ever wondered why it's taken so long") and he asset strips the club of its best players every season.

What McCabe has done very well is fool the majority of us into thinking that the sale of players is necessary in order to fund the incoming players. It isn't. And not only that, but he's taken the illusion to another level because having sold players he's then not used those funds for incoming players in any case!

But here we are again today and you and I and most Blades have, to some extent, swallowed the argument that we have to sell players (like Che Adams), in order to release funds to allow us to finish building the squad. We don't. How much do we need to sign these 2 or 3 players to finish off the squad? £1M? £1.5M? maybe £2M? McCabe and his cronies have the financial capability to bridge that gap easily. But let's assume for a moment that they don't...then someone else will. Someone else will put up that kind of money in a flash, because what you have to look at is how big an increase in revenue would promotion bring? And it's massive. Huge! Apart from increased gate receipts you've got increased TV money and all that goes with it. The extra investment needed now to complete this squad is peanuts compared to the additional revenues we would gain from getting promotion. So, why doesn't McCabe do that then?

Because he is in Sheffield United for one thing. To make money out of it. And he can do that very nicely from asset stripping the squad every season, conning the fans into thinking this has to be done, when in fact it doesn't, and making a nice few bob out of the player sales without taking any further risks on his capital.

And we all sit here not questioning it - because it's what we've done now for years - and so we are used to it.
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But it's questioned continually, surely?

In any case, you surely don't believe that McCabe makes money out of the club, do you? In which case, do you think they fiddle the accounts?

If you were to suggest that McCabe should fund shortfalls, I'd be with you to a point. If you're suggesting he's taking money out of the club then we're poles apart.

I think the most deserved criticism should just be his rank incompetence in running a football club, or employing people to do so.

UTB
 

alcoblade said:
You were right, I was wrong - nothing was reinvested and we weren't good enough.

I won't judge an Adams sale until we've conducted all our business. If it's a repeat of the Murphy deal then we're still at square one, making the same mistakes.

UTB
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I'd agree re Murphy situation and money not being reinvested exactly the same situation when Harry was sold.

Think McCabe expects some sort of return on money even at this level. Ain't gonna happen unless he is prepared to lose money to get into the money.
 
Fair points Cerberus, can't argue with most of your post and I do agree that age shouldn't come into the argument. If players are at pro level then it's ability that counts. That being said I think that with Adams you can improve his first touch and his physique so all is not lost with him. Long however worries me. Let's see how this saga ends, we all know Adams will be sold, but let's hope it's not for the reported £1.5M with add ons, as we all know the add ons won't materialise. In fact if it is £1.5M then the price has reduced since the last rumored bid !!
 
Fed up of this now. Set a valuation, ask him if they'll meet it.

If they don't, fuck them off. If they do, crack on.

Not rocket science. Time is precious to spend the money if he goes.
 
TC's Magic Boots said:
Let's not just sell to the first concrete offer, we have done that all too often before.
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We've already rejected one bid for DCL and two bids for Adams.

TC's Magic Boots said:
I understand that LBoE, but it's a shame to be sanctioning the sale of a good young un when we have so many players on the books that we really don't need or want.
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Wilder released 10 and transfer-listed 7. Unfortunately the wages of the Clough signings and the sh1tness of Woolford means no other clubs want them.
 
S5Blade said:
So let's play him, watch him snap an Achilles and then get no money and no player. Stunning idea.
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Like happened to Jamie Murphy last year? Oh no, it didn't.

I know you're aMcCabe disciple and there's nothing we can do and all that shit, but if he's fit, and Wilder wants him, he should play.

Oh, and as its Brum, I hope that money is all coming up front, because if Carson Yeung gets acquitted in the autumn that club is going to be a mess. Adams is poorly advised if he wants to go there, actually.
 
Cerberus Blade said:
You see, I think we are all guilty of falling into this trap. Let me give a brief analogy...

Have you ever heard of "conditioning" as applied to psychology? In brief, it's a way of controlling responses to stimuli. If a certain stimuli always brings about a certain response - then after a while we become conditioned to expect it - and we do so, without questioning or challenging it. We have become "conditioned" to accept that when A happens, B follows - even though it needn't do necessarily.

This is how it is with Sheffield United and the sale of players. Since the 05/06 season, (the last time we were going in an upward direction) McCabe has ensured that he covers the cost of any players coming into the club, by the sales of outgoing players. It's 10 years now since we last spent more on players than we made from selling them. This isn't an accident - it's a deliberate policy. Let's be clear about that for a start. It's also a disastrous one as well as our 6th season in League 1 testifies. He runs the club on a shoestring (see my other thread entitled "Ever wondered why it's taken so long") and he asset strips the club of its best players every season.

What McCabe has done very well is fool the majority of us into thinking that the sale of players is necessary in order to fund the incoming players. It isn't. And not only that, but he's taken the illusion to another level because having sold players he's then not used those funds for incoming players in any case!

But here we are again today and you and I and most Blades have, to some extent, swallowed the argument that we have to sell players (like Che Adams), in order to release funds to allow us to finish building the squad. We don't. How much do we need to sign these 2 or 3 players to finish off the squad? £1M? £1.5M? maybe £2M? McCabe and his cronies have the financial capability to bridge that gap easily. But let's assume for a moment that they don't...then someone else will. Someone else will put up that kind of money in a flash, because what you have to look at is how big an increase in revenue would promotion bring? And it's massive. Huge! Apart from increased gate receipts you've got increased TV money and all that goes with it. The extra investment needed now to complete this squad is peanuts compared to the additional revenues we would gain from getting promotion. So, why doesn't McCabe do that then?

Because he is in Sheffield United for one thing. To make money out of it. And he can do that very nicely from asset stripping the squad every season, conning the fans into thinking this has to be done, when in fact it doesn't, and making a nice few bob out of the player sales without taking any further risks on his capital.

And we all sit here not questioning it - because it's what we've done now for years - and so we are used to it.
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The reason we don't question it more is because most of us accept that McCabe simply isn't willing to spend like he used to - as nonsensical as that is. Because as you say, he'd have much more to gain by getting promoted. And that could've been all but ensured every single season we've been down here by just spending a little bit more.
 

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