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Woodwardfan said:
Long should be glad of the opportunity to start next season as first choice. Not sure Wilder has given him that much encouragement and maybe wants his Npton keeper or a.n.other lad from L1/L2.

In Long's situation he will know Wilder has a view on him, if not first hand then through his Blades contacts. Everybody knows Long has his faults and maybe his whole career depends on how he matures from hereon in. All that's in the lap of the gods or at least in Long's head - can he develop his game to dominate the six yard box and even to the penalty spot for crosses? He's nowhere near as yet, but he's young.

Would you start a promotion season with Long in goal? 50/50 perhaps. Nobody, not even Long is totally sure, but he needs to improve this side of Xmas. That's why he's offered less on his wages.

Such as Adams will be taking nothing for granted on their next contracts, that's for sure, not without a big contribution now, not just on potential, if it's there at all.
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I really like the idea - outlined above by 1danewhitehouse - of having a Tracey/Kelly situation (on a lesser level admittedly) on our hands, with two young keepers slugging it out to be number one.

But maybe there is disquiet in the camp about Wilder tampering with previously offered terms and reducing contract offers based on what he thinks players are worth? Maybe George has got the hump? If so, no point George dragging it out - he should just man up & say he's going.

Can't honestly see what's taking so long - he either wants to stay (despite the possible reduction in terms from what that nice Mister Adkins had on the table for him), or the offer's unacceptable to him and he wants to leave.

The last thing we need though is another "disaffected" player hanging around on the margins of the squad.
 



Kev Gee said:
I doubr its reduced. We wouldn't be getting compensation if so.
Dictated to? Yes. Hes had the offer of a contract since before the end of the season. Hes now stalled signing on 2 occasions. He has chosen to look elsewere as hes entitled to do so. So for me. Thats sufc being dictated to by long and his agent.
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What he's saying is it's reduced from what Adkins was offering, but still more than what he's been on all season. Therefore we'd still get the compensation.
 
Alfreton14Blade said:
I really like the idea - outlined above by 1danewhitehouse - of having a Tracey/Kelly situation (on a lesser level admittedly) on our hands, with two young keepers slugging it out to be number one.

But maybe there is disquiet in the camp about Wilder tampering with previously offered terms and reducing contract offers based on what he thinks players are worth? Maybe George has got the hump? If so, no point George dragging it out - he should just man up & say he's going.

Can't honestly see what's taking so long - he either wants to stay (despite the possible reduction in terms from what that nice Mister Adkins had on the table for him), or the offer's unacceptable to him and he wants to leave.

The last thing we need though is another "disaffected" player hanging around on the margins of the squad.
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He's not going to be the only one. There's a number of disaffected players on the list plus a couple more whose contracts run out in a year, like Basham.

I hope that the owners are prepared to pay off any of the players we can't shift by the end of the window and make some decisions on the players with a year left. If not, we're in no better situation than Adkins inherited and Wilder can throw as many teacups as he likes, they'll still be twats and they'll still try to fuck him up.
 
Alfreton14Blade said:
I really like the idea - outlined above by 1danewhitehouse - of having a Tracey/Kelly situation (on a lesser level admittedly) on our hands, with two young keepers slugging it out to be number one.

But maybe there is disquiet in the camp about Wilder tampering with previously offered terms and reducing contract offers based on what he thinks players are worth? Maybe George has got the hump? If so, no point George dragging it out - he should just man up & say he's going.

Can't honestly see what's taking so long - he either wants to stay (despite the possible reduction in terms from what that nice Mister Adkins had on the table for him), or the offer's unacceptable to him and he wants to leave.

The last thing we need though is another "disaffected" player hanging around on the margins of the squad.
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Perhaps Long knows he's not the 'real deal' yet. The same thing that holds him back from realising his potential. Also, there may be no interest in him from elsewhere.

Could Wilder be judging what he sees ( or has been told) rather than being a slave to this Bladey Academy thing?

Everybody knows any manager sets the tempo and the template in his first month or two. Adkins' approach was to take 3 or 4 months to give everybody a chance to prove themselves. Wilder's is all ' shoot from the hip',' take me or leave me'.

In this situation there are winners and losers who all have to judge their personal positioning in this situation. Wilder is playing to the tune of McCabe in my opinion, but in any case players and their agents have to judge how to play their hand.

Who else wants George Long?
 
BushBlade said:
I hope that the owners are prepared to pay off any of the players we can't shift by the end of the window and make some decisions on the players with a year left. If not, we're in no better situation than Adkins inherited and Wilder can throw as many teacups as he likes, they'll still be twats and they'll still try to fuck him up.
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Woodwardfan said:
Wilder is playing to the tune of McCabe in my opinion, but in any case players and their agents have to judge how to play their hand.
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Very much agree that McCabe/the owners need to properly back Wilder (on this subject, by settling contracts of marginalized players) in the same way that Wilder's backing them in his seemingly hard-line approach to wages. It's potentially disastrous if not.

Wilder's hardnosed approach is right, just as Adkins's was wrong, in our current circumstances. But without the board backing his toughness (with practical measures, not just words), there'll be more senior players than kids playing on the u21 pitches!
 
Barney said:
What he's saying is it's reduced from what Adkins was offering, but still more than what he's been on all season. Therefore we'd still get the compensation.
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Im not sure you can do that? I stand corrected if so though.

In any event if he would have signed the contract in the first place then he wouldnt have lost out would he?

I dont see how its our fault in any case.
 
Kev Gee said:
The problem is we cant withdraw the offer as long can then walk away for free.

So were screwed from that perspective.

I would be lining up a replacement as on the face of it, it looks.like his agent is looking for another offer.
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Whilst Long is a slowly improving young keeper, I'd be amazed if he's worth more than £100k. There's only so long you can pay a professional footballer's contract before that's swallowed up.

UTB
 
Alfreton14Blade said:
Very much agree that McCabe/the owners need to properly back Wilder (on this subject, by settling contracts of marginalized players) in the same way that Wilder's backing them in his seemingly hard-line approach to wages. It's potentially disastrous if not.

Wilder's hardnosed approach is right, just as Adkins's was wrong, in our current circumstances. But without the board backing his toughness (with practical measures, not just words), there'll be more senior players than kids playing on the u21 pitches!
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In this situation there is a 'tipping point'. It's OK Wilder acting the tough guy but it all relates to each player in their own circumstances as they are at this point in time.

For example, Hammond is winning all the way to the bank but probably wants to play football for a year or two more, so it's all a negotiating game. Such as Coutts, Ryce, Woolford need to make their minds up how much they want to play football this next 12 months but they could sit on their contracts and screw United just to get them off our training field.. Diego is in a different position as are Freeman and K.Wallace. We all feel for J.Wallace and his loss is ours too, proper footballer that lad.

Any manager can act the big guy when he gets appointed, it's how it all falls into place after the fallout that matters. I sense Wilder would not be too unhappy to start next season with a totally new squad. Let's face it, those he has retained are not without their big, big question marks, especially McNulty, Adams, Scougall, maybe Long, Done, Basham (IMO), Brayford etc. I'd keep Freeman and K.Wallace in front of a few of them any day, but in a situation like this there are unfair winners and losers, that's how it is.

When the squad turn up for the first pre-season friendly, one thing is for sure, not many will be totally sure of their future at this club. This is a make or break period on our history. Is this new manager, the man the local media call "unsophisticated", the new Messiah? He needs to be, more than ever he needs to be, that's for sure.
 
with the u24 ruling, we'll of offered him at least the same deal as he was on or we're not eligible for compensation should he leave.

Or maybe - we've offered him reduced terms showing we're really not bothered if he leaves, which i'd do myself.
 
Can someone clear something up, I've not read anything on it yet, do we have to offer the same or more to get compensation?
 
Woodwardfan said:
Long should be glad of the opportunity to start next season as first choice. Not sure Wilder has given him that much encouragement and maybe wants his Npton keeper or a.n.other lad from L1/L2.

In Long's situation he will know Wilder has a view on him, if not first hand then through his Blades contacts. Everybody knows Long has his faults and maybe his whole career depends on how he matures from hereon in. All that's in the lap of the gods or at least in Long's head - can he develop his game to dominate the six yard box and even to the penalty spot for crosses? He's nowhere near as yet, but he's young.

Would you start a promotion season with Long in goal? 50/50 perhaps. Nobody, not even Long is totally sure, but he needs to improve this side of Xmas. That's why he's offered less on his wages.

Such as Adams will be taking nothing for granted on their next contracts, that's for sure, not without a big contribution now, not just on potential, if it's there at all.
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Are we barking up the wrong tree here Woody, any contract offered while Adkins was here would have been Sanctioned by the technical board so I can't see the value of the contract being changed that can't be right. More like it's the no guarantee of being no 1 that's the problem as Mr Wilder has said he is not certain to be no 1 . He needs first team football and he has to choose between the opportunity to be no 1 here and moving on getting probably a better contract but less chance of starting matChe's ,over too you Mr Long
 



finlaytheblade said:
Are we barking up the wrong tree here Woody, any contract offered while Adkins was here would have been Sanctioned by the technical board so I can't see the value of the contract being changed that can't be right. More like it's the no guarantee of being no 1 that's the problem as Mr Wilder has said he is not certain to be no 1 . He needs first team football and he has to choose between the opportunity to be no 1 here and moving on getting probably a better contract but less chance of starting matChe's ,over too you Mr Long
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I'd keep the contract offer there to retain the possibility of compensation, but I'd start looking for a new keeper in any case.

The mere fact that he's had to take this long to decide if he wants to be at the club or not would be enough to bin him for me.

It's not like he has the ability to warrant wasting time over.
 
In my mind he should have snatched our fucking hands off for whatever we offered as he's not that good and was enshrined in mediocrity with his now doley mates.

Hes clearly only in this drawn out negotiation for more brass and clearly his heart isn't in the club.

Wilder should tell him and his agent to sling their hook.
 
I can't see any other end to this saga than Long signing a new deal, unless he can find a club willing to pay compensation. He's going to have to suck this up and get on with it and be as determined as ever to make it, because any mistake and every twat is going to be on his back
 
finlaytheblade said:
Are we barking up the wrong tree here Woody, any contract offered while Adkins was here would have been Sanctioned by the technical board so I can't see the value of the contract being changed that can't be right. More like it's the no guarantee of being no 1 that's the problem as Mr Wilder has said he is not certain to be no 1 . He needs first team football and he has to choose between the opportunity to be no 1 here and moving on getting probably a better contract but less chance of starting matChe's ,over too you Mr Long
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Was the Technical Board in place then? Was it re Hammond?! I think it's this summer's reaction/ over-reaction actually.

Personally I don't think any player talks about being guaranteed a place in the first team, certainly not young goalkeepers.

My take is wilder doesn't fancy him and Long has nowhere else to go. The previously offered contract is inconvenient for Wilder. Long knows that but has no other offers. If he gets an offer he's off, but he won't and he's got a lot to prove in the pre-season.
 
Woodwardfan said:
Was the Technical Board in place then? Was it re Hammond?! I think it's this summer's reaction/ over-reaction actually.

Personally I don't think any player talks about being guaranteed a place in the first team, certainly not young goalkeepers.

My take is wilder doesn't fancy him and Long has nowhere else to go. The previously offered contract is inconvenient for Wilder. Long knows that but has no other offers. If he gets an offer he's off, but he won't and he's got a lot to prove in the pre-season.
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Wilder is on record saying :he wants him to stay : so obviously rates him .The technical board was in place well before Adkins was sacked but not before
Hammond was signeed on loan
 
finlaytheblade said:
Wilder is on record saying :he wants him to stay : so obviously rates him .The technical board was in place well before Adkins was sacked but not before
Hammond was signeed on loan
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All I'd say to that is : are you sure? and are you sure? !! I think not on both counts. Wilder has to play a public role in case he stays.
 
Give him until the end of the week and withdraw the offer if no answer.
 
Barney said:
I'd keep the contract offer there to retain the possibility of compensation, but I'd start looking for a new keeper in any case.

The mere fact that he's had to take this long to decide if he wants to be at the club or not would be enough to bin him for me.

It's not like he has the ability to warrant wasting time over.
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Problem with that is if we get a new keeper in and then George can't get a club and so takes up the contract we're wasting resources and, perhaps more importantly, denying Ramsdale a shot at the second spot...
 
Whispered, very hushed, in and around Ibrox.

Rangers are looking at three L1 goalkeepers to compete with Wes Fotheringham
for the no.1 jersey.

Bentley / Southend United
Long / Sheffield United
Smith / Northampton Town

Think the one they want is Bentley, who i've not really taken much interest in.
Anybody on here rate him above Long/Smith?

Whispered....
 
LoughboroBlade said:
Luckily, that's one we no longer have to worry about.
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My mistake, so much going on! So the only real problem two on big wages without a hope of another club being interested are Coutts and Hammond. They can play us along and screw us for a big proportion of their remaining contract.

Diego won't be on that much but may need a 'sweetener' to leave, either to him or a prospective club to help with his wages.

J. Wallace can do little other than hold out for all his pay for the final year.

Freeman and K. Wallace could well earn a place here but may need similar 'sweeteners'. I think both could do well in the right environment.
 



LYDON said:
Whispered, very hushed, in and around Ibrox.

Rangers are looking at three L1 goalkeepers to compete with Wes Fotheringham
for the no.1 jersey.

Bentley / Southend United
Long / Sheffield United
Smith / Northampton Town

Think the one they want is Bentley, who i've not really taken much interest in.
Anybody on here rate him above Long/Smith?

Whispered....
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Compete for the no.1 jersey?
That's George out then... ;)
 
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